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Old 11-05-2010, 02:33 PM   #1
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Do Your Good Deed For The Day: Help A Suspension Noob

Car is my daily driver and will probably never see a track. The fiance' doesn't want to lower it (but is wavering in this..oh yes, he is) so my question is...what suspension mods do you recommend that won't sacrifice too much ride quality?
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:37 PM   #2
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From what I understand by reading some posts on here is that lowering doesn't take too much effect on ride quality on the 5th gens. The general feel seems to be that it's a LITTLE firmer but nothing too bad to complain about.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:47 PM   #3
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From what I understand by reading some posts on here is that lowering doesn't take too much effect on ride quality on the 5th gens. The general feel seems to be that it's a LITTLE firmer but nothing too bad to complain about.
Well, the main reason is that I live in the countryside, and the roads aren't the best here, so I was looking into what I could do WITHOUT lowering (but again, that isn't set in stone. Feel free to talk up the benefits of lowering.)
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:48 PM   #4
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trailing arms would be a good starting point
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:51 PM   #5
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Go here all the info you need, also see post 19 and 20 its where I ask about mine and daily driving.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:00 PM   #6
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Ride quality will suffer when a spring is shortened to do the job or the spring rate is increased during the "winding" of some "lowering" springs.

Of course all of this could be avoided by using coilovers. Most co's use a threaded shock body for raising/lowering adjustments and don't affect spring rate with these changes. But they are pricey compared to lowering springs....

If you can find a set that only lowers up to 1.00in, the inherent spring rate increase should be very minimal/livable. You will do more for the handling of the car by doing sway bars than springs until you really start pushing things.

Just my .02 worth. I have Pfadt bars & CO's and them btw
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:03 PM   #7
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You will do more for the handling of the car by doing sway bars than springs until you really start pushing things.
Speaking of pushing things, I suppose I should add that the car is currently stock, with plans to get a CAI and custom tune, and perhaps exhaust. That will probably be it.

Probably.

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Old 11-05-2010, 03:13 PM   #8
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A good lowering spring will improve the looks of the ride height but ALL will make your car ride stiffer. If someone says it's the same as stock, they're lying. Ride stiffness is VERY subjective and can only be assessed by YOU. What may feel nice to one person might feel like riding in a wagon to another. My advise is to find someone close to you that has springs and take a ride. If they're nice, they'll let you drive it to see how you like them. I did that very thing for a local C5 member. You will get a dozen different answers as to which is best.

I chose Pfadts for a few different reasons. The main one being that they are a top notch company that has lots of experince with suspension parts for Corvettes and now Camaro's. They also lowered the car just a tad more than most others while staying within the range to get the alignment good without any extra parts. They advertise a drop of ~1.25in which, IMO, is absolutely perfect for the Camaro. Once you drop below the 1.25in range, you run the risk of needing alignment add-ons parts. The ride is definitely stiffer but IMO not bad at all. In stock form the car floats and does't give you a good feel for the road. Adding springs increases the feel of the road and gives you more control. Adding sways, especially the rear, really tightens things up. That's the feeling I had when I added the rear bar. I drove it for two days before I added the front. The front didn't make as much difference after the rear but it was noticeably better.

Seeing that Pfadt chose to only offer the one size spring, if I wanted the standard 1in drop, I would have chosen Pedders or possibly BMR or Hotchkis. All four are within ~$20 of eachother when not on sale. Pfadt has a SEMA special going on right now that has their springs and both sways on sale for $600 with free shipping. That's $170 off their regular price. I'm sure others have sales going on but i'm not aware of them. Eibachs and Vogtlands are the known cheaper brands. If you want the cheapest price on springs, those are probably your best bet.
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I would say start with upgraded sway bars, and trailing arms. If adjustable coilovers are within your budget, go for it. I recently upgraded my Suspension with Pfadt coilovers, sway bars, BMR trailing arm and Toe rods and the car handles incredibly well. I couldn't be happier
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Speaking of pushing things, I suppose I should add that the car is currently stock, with plans to get a CAI and custom tune, and perhaps exhaust. That will probably be it.

Probably.
Yeah sure! Keep tellin' your self that. It doesn't work. Resistance is futile!
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I personally went with coilovers because they retain the full range of spring compression. As mentioned earlier lowering springs reduce the overall travel. I lost very little ride quality and the best thing is the ride quality is adjustable to 30 settings so I can adjust to stock anytime. Of course coilovers are a lot more expensive than springs but I also have complete adjustibilty on ride height. I lowered mine over 2.25" all the way around and I can raise it up anytime. My alignment is ideal too for an aggressive street setup.
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I personally went with coilovers because they retain the full range of spring compression. As mentioned earlier lowering springs reduce the overall travel. I lost very little ride quality and the best thing is the ride quality is adjustable to 30 settings so I can adjust to stock anytime. Of course coilovers are a lot more expensive than springs but I also have complete adjustibilty on ride height. I lowered mine over 2.25" all the way around and I can raise it up anytime. My alignment is ideal too for an aggressive street setup.
Since no one I know has a vehicle w/ suspension mods, I like the idea of being able to change something back to stock if I don't like it. How much are coilovers?

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Since no one I know has a vehicle w/ suspension mods, I like the idea of being able to change something back to stock if I don't like it. How much are coilovers?

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Since no one I know has a vehicle w/ suspension mods, I like the idea of being able to change something back to stock if I don't like it. How much are coilovers?

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Coilover's range from $1k to $3k plus cost of install if you are not up to the task. I would recommend pedders,pfadt, or kw.
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Since no one I know has a vehicle w/ suspension mods, I like the idea of being able to change something back to stock if I don't like it. How much are coilovers?

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Yes CO's are the best but that comes with a price. I think the KW 1's are $1k and the Pfadts are over $2k. They all pretty much fall inbetween. That's a lot of jack if you have no plans to race it or show it. It's all a matter of what you can afford and if you think it's worth it.

The problem with adjusting the ride height is that you'll need to have it realigned everytime you change ride height. If you don't, your tire wear will suffer and car may not feel right as the tires aren't riding the way they're suppose to.
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Femme, when you say you are looking for suspension mods, what are you looking to do with the car? Do you want to lower it for looks? Do you want better handling, cornering, braking?
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All I can tell you is what I did. I got pfadt lower springs, subframe bushings, front and rear sway bars, and trailing arms.

I love the ride it is close to a stock ride and it is very fun to drive on back country roads. I also like the aggressive stance that the lowering springs give the camaro. Me personally, this will give you the best bang for your buck....
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Car is my daily driver and will probably never see a track. The fiance' doesn't want to lower it (but is wavering in this..oh yes, he is) so my question is...what suspension mods do you recommend that won't sacrifice too much ride quality?
If you are looking to improve street handling without changing out your stock springs I would recommend a set of Pfadt sport adjustable sway bars as a good starting point. Upgrading your stock bushings also makes a big difference.
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for a good start i say pedders daily driver kit, it will tighten up the mushy bushings but still give you a very nice ride quality
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Femme, when you say you are looking for suspension mods, what are you looking to do with the car? Do you want to lower it for looks? Do you want better handling, cornering, braking?
Doc! How are you, darlin'? Like I said, mod noob here, so "improve the car without sacrificing too much in the way of ride quality" is basically my mission statement at the moment. I suppose what I want to know is, what will give me the most bang for my buck in terms of getting power to the wheels better + improved handling?
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As what seems to be the general consensus, bushings and swaybars will make the most noticeable difference in handling without lowering the vehicle. If lowering, we have a set of 1" lowering springs that come very close to maintaining the OE ride. As mentioned above, it is just not physically possible to increase spring rates without firming up the ride somewhat. The good news is that this chassis and suspension is designed very well. It is much more "accepting" when it comes to increases in spring rate and swaybar rate. You can run a larger rate increase in this platform than previous platforms before the ride quality is significantly reduced.

A combination of springs, swaybars, and bushings will inspire more confidence in the driver by making the car more predictable and consistent while cornering. This, in turn puts more fun into your driving experience

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