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Old 01-09-2009, 01:38 PM   #101
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:42 PM   #102
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Well said. Hmmmm...I guess I'm wondering why we didn't see similar points-of-view being expressed when about the GT500KR when in was announced for production? All I ever heard was that $80,000K was too much for any Mustang even though that car, like the Hennessey Camaro, was never intended to be priced/marketed to what some in this thread have called the "common" man.
I agree, the GT500KR would fit into roughly the same category. I've visited the Shelby factory where the KR's and SuperSnake's are built. It's impressive and an impressive car also.
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:43 PM   #103
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I agree with your point, but if the KR had more the just a measly 40hp increase, the criticisms might have been less. For all the extra cash, you don't get much back in performance.
You're missing the point. The people who bought/will buy a GT500KR are not buying it for the performance. Besides, there is quite a bit more in a GT500KR over a regular GT500 than just the 40hp bump in power. Certainly, not $38,000 worth of more to be sure but please don't perpetuate that line of thought.
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You're missing the point. The people who bought/will buy a GT500KR are not buying it for the performance. Besides, there is quite a bit more in a GT500KR over a regular GT500 than just the 40hp bump in power. Certainly, not $38,000 worth of more to be sure but please don't perpetuate that line of thought.
You are right. It will be a collectors car for sure, which has some value. Also, I realize it has more than just a small boost in power, but you have to admit, that the power is usually the first thing people look for. With only an 8% boost, I am sure many were disappointed.

Nice looking car though.
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:59 PM   #105
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They rather pay that guy with a bigger name, than from the actually community. Im not hard to find. Im on and mentioned in all three major 5th gen forums.

As for the design:

-Stock bumper but with my ZR1 styled front splitter idea
-Stock side skirts, but with ZR1 styled carbon fiber piece attached
-Hood with LS9 window idea that I used
-Uses the paint scheme from the GT500KR production concept
-Used the brake idea and ZR1 wheels like I did
-Looks like a cheap black powercoated billet grille design that every Tom, Dick, and Harry that prolly will have on ebay in eight months

Sometimes I wonder if the people that make that money that I wish I chance to earn, actually think up there own stuff.

With as much as someone was to pay for this car, Henny could at least bother to change the urethane parts out for custom piece like I thought up.
I made a one-off design and THEN used ZR1 bits to finish it off. They just used ZR1 bits to make it. This actually pisses me off in my book.

Not to sound arrogant, but I really think Hennessey stole my designs from my Z28 concept that spread across the internet a few month ago. I wish I could do something about it.

My design wouldnt be hard to find even if Hennessey didnt look on the forums. The blogs and its pops up on the first page of a Google search.

Then they prolly got a photoshop artist on staff to rendering the one they have.

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Please don't take offense to this, but I think almost anyone that was wanting to design a ZR1 inspired Camaro would have come up with almost the same design as you did. The LS9, hood window, splitter, side skirts, brakes, and wheels are all easy to add to the Camaro and are visually distictive to the ZR1. It's only natural to use them.

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Sounds cool and all but I'm shoping Aston Martin at that price point. Not that I'll ever be at that price point.
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I would either go for a $109K ZR1 or a $109K Porsche. Can't go wrong either way.
Most buyers of this type of niche car probably already have other high-end sports cars. I doubt many would throw all thier play money into one Camaro. But if I could only have one sports car and wanted to spend $109K, I agree that it'd go towards a ZR1.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:35 PM   #106
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well its the same amount of money as a gt500kr n make about the same amount of hp? i think its worth it.
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Rustang's need to watch out. It is about time someone put them in their place
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:17 PM   #108
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:45 PM   #109
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Please don't take offense to this, but I think almost anyone that was wanting to design a ZR1 inspired Camaro would have come up with almost the same design as you did. The LS9, hood window, splitter, side skirts, brakes, and wheels are all easy to add to the Camaro and are visually distictive to the ZR1. It's only natural to use them.
It was the fact that I made a design inspired from a car from a different genre like the ZR1 and did it first successfully. Almost all designs of different Camaro variants are retro-inspired. Mine melded it together and Hennessey didnt even bother even adding something different.

Before I even seen the threads on this car, people have made comment relating my design. And not only on this forum; but others. So it not just me.
Someone shouldnt look at a Hennessey and think of my work. Any whiz at Hennessey could of read the blogs on my design. Ive seen different photshops and idea, all different somehow. But this......this is a cheap copy that going to be prolly sold for 100% of the actual value in it.

I put a lot of heart into that design. As an artist, this is upsetting.
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Jinx, FWIW, I prefer your design much more.
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Well, thank you.

I wish I could be given a job to do that. I would of done it for Hennessey if he asked and paid up.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:12 PM   #112
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I put a lot of heart into that design. As an artist, this is upsetting.


oh jesus christ, get over yourself.


as an artist you wont be making it far if your getting upset about something like this.

got some work that is good? dont spread it around without copyrighting it in the first place, if you had... you'd own the design and people couldnt use it.

toughen up, i've been doing 3d work for almost a decade now and something you learn is that people copying or stealing your work doesn't do much for them in the long run.

if they actually copied your work based on your design, be flattered. if they didn't then you lost nothing anyway.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:13 PM   #113
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Well, thank you.

I wish I could be given a job to do that. I would of done it for Hennessey if he asked and paid up.
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oh jesus christ, get over yourself.


as an artist you wont be making it far if your getting upset about something like this.

got some work that is good? dont spread it around without copyrighting it in the first place, if you had... you'd own the design and people couldnt use it.

toughen up, i've been doing 3d work for almost a decade now and something you learn is that people copying or stealing your work doesn't do much for them in the long run.

if they actually copied your work based on your design, be flattered. if they didn't then you lost nothing anyway.
Wow what is it with people on this site lately just going around insulting others?
It's always easy to be tough behind a keyboard.

By the way Jinx I think your work is great and you know that.
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Wow what is it with people on this site lately just going around insulting others?
It's always easy to be tough behind a keyboard.

By the way Jinx I think your work is great and you know that.
what on earth was insulting about my post?


just some honest comments about his work and the whole "stolen design".

i'm not being tough behind a keyboard, i just dont want him fledging false hopes where he shouldn't be at this point.
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Well, thank you.

I wish I could be given a job to do that. I would of done it for Hennessey if he asked and paid up.
Hey, I'll pay ya' to do a sketch of my Camaro?!

Seriously, keep up the good work! I think at some point it will be recognized and you may land a job for one of the car mags., etc.?
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what on earth was insulting about my post?


just some honest comments about his work and the whole "stolen design".

i'm not being tough behind a keyboard, i just dont want him fledging false hopes where he shouldn't be at this point.
I don't think he is fledgeing false hopes. IMO, jinx has the right to be ticked. This Hennessey design looks almost identical to his original design. Yes, anyone could do this, and anyone could think of this, but Jonx was first (to my knowledge) to actually use the idea, and put it out there for all to see. At the time, his design was original, and still is, and this is a blatent rip off of what was an original design... it's not right, and I think there needs to be credit given when credit is due... IMVHO

Jinx, your design is still beyond awesome, and this has to feel like a low blow. Don't worry about it man. I say send some emails, or something and point this out somehow. Tell them how you feel.
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what on earth was insulting about my post?


just some honest comments about his work and the whole "stolen design".

i'm not being tough behind a keyboard, i just dont want him fledging false hopes where he shouldn't be at this point.
Yeah what do those musicians and movie studios know about intellectual property? It's totally overrated and they never sue over it. They just accept that others plagiarize their work for nothing and they go hungry.
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I don't think he is fledgeing false hopes. IMO, jinx has the right to be ticked. This Hennessey design looks almost identical to his original design. Yes, anyone could do this, and anyone could think of this, but Jonx was first (to my knowledge) to actually use the idea, and put it out there for all to see. At the time, his design was original, and still is, and this is a blatent rip off of what was an original design... it's not right, and I think there needs to be credit given when credit is due... IMVHO

Jinx, your design is still beyond awesome, and this has to feel like a low blow. Don't worry about it man. I say send some emails, or something and point this out somehow. Tell them how you feel.
i never said he hasn't the right to be ticked, but he didn't cover his ass and chances are that he wont be taking them to court for an ip battle.

all i was trying to get across is that you have got to protect your product cause there are more then enough people who want to ride someone elses coattails to sucess free of charge.
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Yeah what do those musicians and movie studios know about intellectual property? It's totally overrated and they never sue over it. They just accept that others plagiarize their work for nothing and they go hungry.
he is hardly the size of a movie studio or a musician.

he's a part time photoshopper who doesn't even make money off of his work (or not much); apples to oranges.

you dont copy a giant corperations design like apple and get away with it, ip is ip but few people have the backing to go after it in a case like this.
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Wow, how about that Hennessey Camaro, you know, the topic of this thread?
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That thing might actually run right with the ZR1. If I had the money for either, it would come down to a personal track test for both
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