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Old 01-09-2009, 02:20 PM   #251
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I will admit, my dealer told me straight out on 10/13 that GM is building V6 cars first and he anticipates that the first cars they will get will be V6's so don't be pissed if I see them showing up there, they are V6 Cars. However I did not at all expect to have the possibility of waiting till October either... A few weeks, even a couple months past the start (May or June the latest) I expected, being I'm first on the list. But who knows what the story really will be with this constraint, and that IMO is BS.
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Tell me if I got this right. A dealer has 6 allocations but the mixture of those 6 (v6-v8) is set by GM? If dealer was allocated 4 V6 and 2 V8 but pre-sold only 2 V6's and 4 V8 then the dealer would get the 4 V6s allocated by GM (ony two of which were pre-sold) and 2 V8s (out of the 4 pre-sold). So the dealer would be left with 2 V6's on the lot and 2 V8 pre-sold buyers still waiting on theirs?
THE DEALERS ALLOCATION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PRE-ORDERS(.)

ANY DEALER COULD HAVE SOLD AS MANY QUICKLY AS THEY COULD YOUR ALLICATION WILL START NEXT MONTH, BUT THERE WILL BE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL NO V8'S FOR A WHILE...............



PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE TO KEEP GOOD AVERAGE FUEL ECONOMY FOR THE CARS YOU SELL IN ONE YEAR....SO THAT ONLY LEAVES ROOM FOR SO MANY V8S!!!!
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I just found out the my dealer only has two people that want the 2lt. so its me and someone else so my chances should be a little higher of getting it by april.
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I wonder if this has to do with the loan from the fed. GM might have agreed to producing more fuel efficient cars by a % thus cutting back on the v8s and having to pay back the loan if this was not followed.
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I'm a little surprised none of you guys had anticipated that this would happen. It was happening back in 1994 when I bought my first new Z28. The dealers get allocations for a certain number of cars but they only fill whatever orders they want to. If you ordered a paint color which they had production problems with, then they would put white cars on "constraint" and someone with another color would get built (possibly taking up your "allocated" car from your dealer). I had to wait 9 months for my 1994 Z28 to get built, and they (cleverly) decided to build it the month before they switched over to 1995's. I said they must make it a 1995 and give me "price protection" and they did. So I received my car in September and drove it for 2 months and had to put it away for the winter... when I could have had it for 6-7 more months if they had not put it on "constraint".
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First of all, realize that if this were normal circumstances; we would not be involved in this right now. And none of us would ever know the difference, because pre-ordering would have started...sometime now.

With that -- don't panic regarding the whole V8 vs V6 thing. Not yet. Last time this topic came up there was so much misinformation and misinterpretation it was dangerous. It's not like they're cancelling the car, just hang in there -- I'm sure we'll get a good reason for it in time.

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THE DEALERS ALLOCATION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PRE-ORDERS(.)

ANY DEALER COULD HAVE SOLD AS MANY QUICKLY AS THEY COULD YOUR ALLICATION WILL START NEXT MONTH, BUT THERE WILL BE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL NO V8'S FOR A WHILE...............


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Hi i remember fbodfather Telling Us not to worry, "And understand that we DO know what we're doing.............I promise!!" Now i think GM dos not,
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We just started January consensus today. The Camaro will show up next month. Consensus is only one month at a time and that is the only available allocation dealers know they will get. Once we accept our consensus numbers, we can order based on them over the next four weeks. Keep in mind that ALL dealers will get a 2LT V6 late April/early May as their first Camaro. This is a gimmie from GM and does not go against their allocation. Other cars that follow will be based on dealer consensus and allocation on a monthly basis.

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Greg - so if my dealer was allocated 10, and I was order #2 (for a 2LT) and #1 was an SS - would I be looking for that first V6 that the dealer is getting in April/May? Or is that 1st car just going to go on the dealer's lot?
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Man, you guys are getting too worked up over this, reading more into it than it is and in general, letting your blood pressure get all worked up over something that really isn't that big of a deal.

A 4 week delay isn't that big of a thing, people. It gives us time to save more money for the car, time for the roads to clear of snow and gravel, and time for GM to make sure this car is the best it can be at launch.
Its not the delay of production, yea 4 weeks is no big deal but its the fact that a very small number of SS's are going to be built at first because they want the V6 models out first. I just noticed the clock at the top has been updated, thats gotta be killin you guys that ordered.

From what im reading, its not the push back of production, its the very limited run of V8's gonna be made out of the gate.
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I'M THINKING MOST DEALERS WOULD HOPE PEOPLE WOULD BAIL ON THERE ORDERS AFTER THIS INFO....

AS LONG AS THE SPECS WERE GOOD THEY COULD MAKE ANOTHER 5 PLUS GRAND???? WHO KNOWS???

I'D SAY KEEP YOUR ORDER IN...ITS MONEY IN THE BANK.....
But the way it was explained is it is a presold orders only with GM - if I cancel now the dealership does not get a car built and shipped to them.....it would be different if I wait for it to be delevered adn I don't take delivery.

I don't blame my dealership but why have GM build a presold order that I have no idea when I wil get it??? I am the customer not the dealership. It was presold order right?????
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I just found out the my dealer only has two people that want the 2lt. so its me and someone else so my chances should be a little higher of getting it by april.
Don't be so sure, they are going to look at it month to month! That means if your dealership isn't selling other rides, watch out.
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......thanks....is this better.....







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In the end this ALL has to do with one acronym.

C.A.F.E.


V8 Models hurt the bottom line in CAFE regulations. They simply CANNOT build the cars because we want them... they are FORCED to meet this silly standard or else pay out the nose for not meeting it.

GM are a bunch of douchebags for the way they have treated us loyal customers. They should have warned that these things would happen because of CAFE, and they should have done some other things differently with this "preorder" deal and the ABL and HUD fiascos, and they deserve all the ire you guys can give them. But just remember the reason you didn't get an SS isn't by GM's CHOICE... they are forced to focus on V6 models because of CAFE. Nothing else.
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That's BS. Dealers had their (total) allocation numbers prior to/on Oct 13th. Why would they anticipate that allocation % V6/V8 would end up being dictated by how GM decides to produce them instead of how we ordered them? This is NOT the dealer's fault IMO. GM knew looking as the preorders flowed in over the past couple months that ONE THING WAS CONSISTENT=> 3:1 V8/V6
We (the dealers) were told via IDL before Oct. 13th that focus was going to be on V6. GM tip toed around that 80/20 V6 V8 split. Therefore, dealers who were serious about Camaro and wanted to represent the car correctly should have done the right thing and communicated to customers, there may be a chance that V8's will tough to get.
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We (the dealers) were told via IDL before Oct. 13th that focus was going to be on V6. GM tip toed around that 80/20 V6 V8 split. Therefore, dealers who were serious about Camaro and wanted to represent the car correctly should have done the right thing and communicated to customers, there may be a chance that V8's will tough to get.

Also told that the enthusiast will come 1st! The reason for the car being in production again, and they knew what enthusiast want V8s.
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Greg - so if my dealer was allocated 10, and I was order #2 (for a 2LT) and #1 was an SS - would I be looking for that first V6 that the dealer is getting in April/May? Or is that 1st car just going to go on the dealer's lot?
All dealers are getting a 2LT first. There was to be a promotion called Chevrolet Open House april 1st-May 15th. All dealers were to have a Camaro for this. That has been pushed back and now the Camaro is to arrive late April/early May. This is an extra Camaro and does not go against the dealers allocation. If you are #2 and a V6 and #1 is a V8 you may get your car first. Also, the first 2LT will be for sale, maybe not like you want it though. You are in GREAT shape for an early Camaro.
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In the end this ALL has to do with one acronym.

C.A.F.E.


V8 Models hurt the bottom line in CAFE regulations. They simply CANNOT build the cars because we want them... they are FORCED to meet this silly standard or else pay out the nose for not meeting it.

GM are a bunch of douchebags for the way they have treated us loyal customers. They should have warned that these things would happen because of CAFE, and they should have done some other things differently with this "preorder" deal and the ABL and HUD fiascos, and they deserve all the ire you guys can give them. But just remember the reason you didn't get an SS isn't by GM's CHOICE... they are forced to focus on V6 models because of CAFE. Nothing else.
Just curious, but does CAFE apply to Canadians as well ?
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GM has said that they are prepared to build the V8's up to 50% of the total allocation given in the 1st 6 months. The total allocation given out was over 20,000 so that means they can produce 10,000 V8's within the 1st 6 months. If the total number of preordered V8's stay under this amount, they will be delivered before the end of the allocation. So far only 11,000 preorders have been submitted. At a 80/20 split that's 8,800 V8's, 1,200 less then what they can build before then.

Knowing this, I feel confident that if you preordered your SS, you will get it before Oct. May not be within the 1st couple months but it will arrive before Oct.
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I would love to have an explanation of why V8's will be (ahem) "constrained". Where are the engines built? Stands to reason that there would be excess capacity right now in any GM engine factory, especially one building V8 mills. This is unbelievably aggravating and yes, disappointing. I was ready to see them (GM) walk up to the plate and knock one out of the park. Instead, we get monolithic, bureaucratic ARROGANT excrement. The fact that they have KNOWN about the percentage of V8's on order and have apparently decided to say "**** it" really, REALLY makes me wonder.
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First of all, realize that if this were normal circumstances; we would not be involved in this right now. And none of us would ever know the difference, because pre-ordering would have started...sometime now.

With that -- don't panic regarding the whole V8 vs V6 thing. Not yet. Last time this topic came up there was so much misinformation and misinterpretation it was dangerous. It's not like they're cancelling the car, just hang in there -- I'm sure we'll get a good reason for it in time.

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I may have some insight on the reason (OshawaInsider PLEASE CHIME IN). Imagine two chassis lines running through the plant in Oshawa, one V6/ one V8. There has to be separate production lines because the chassis are not the same. Are they just supposed to shut down the V6 line to run more V8's? Shutting down the V6 line doesn't make any more V8's; it just makes less V6's... The only way to make more of one or the other is to have a third line you can switch to either...
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GM has said that they are prepared to build the V8's up to 50% of the total allocation given in the 1st 6 months. The total allocation given out was over 20,000 so that means they can produce 10,000 V8's within the 1st 6 months. If the total number of preordered V8's stay under this amount, they will be delivered before the end of the allocation. So far only 11,000 preorders have been submitted. At a 80/20 split that's 8,800 V8's, 1,200 less then what they can build before then.

Knowing this, I feel confident that if you preordered your SS, you will get it before Oct. May not be within the 1st couple months but it will arrive before Oct.

Can you provide a source for this. I think it would be very valuable to this thread???
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The push-back of production was a quality-related move. From a familiar source: They want to ensure that "this is the highest-quality launch they've ever done." It has nothing to do with the loans, or any one specific problem. Don't be so quick to think that they don't know what they're doing.

I have nothing more for you on the V8 v V6 issue besides what the dealers can provide. I will ask that before y'all get upset -- wait for the dust to settle.
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All dealers are getting a 2LT first. There was to be a promotion called Chevrolet Open House april 1st-May 15th. All dealers were to have a Camaro for this. That has been pushed back and now the Camaro is to arrive late April/early May. This is an extra Camaro and does not go against the dealers allocation. If you are #2 and a V6 and #1 is a V8 you may get your car first. Also, the first 2LT will be for sale, maybe not like you want it though. You are in GREAT shape for an early Camaro.
What happens when a dealer pre-sold 7 of 9 allocations as SS??? How many will get their cars and how many get screwed??
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