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Silver Streak · 01-10-2009, 05:59 PM

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Extremely well put sir

No knock towards this engine at all. But I would think FI for this engine is not going to be a big option without doing internals. The CR in the V6 is much to high to impose any kinda boost to it. It has great potential if the internals are adressed. I would buy V6 maro if I could bolt on a turbo set-up to from the word get go, but I don't think this will be a option, at least not right away. I will stick with my V8, I have already made my plans with it LOL. Again this V6 is a proven great engine package and it was the right call on GM's part for the camaro. To each his own, and yes this V6 camaro I think will suprise alot of people, not so sure bout the mustang gt, but it definately will get attention and cause some surprise, and I look forward to it.

headpunter · 01-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Streak

No knock towards this engine at all. But I would think FI for this engine is not going to be a big option without doing internals. The CR in the V6 is much to high to impose any kinda boost to it. It has great potential if the internals are adressed. I would buy V6 maro if I could bolt on a turbo set-up to from the word get go, but I don't think this will be a option, at least not right away. I will stick with my V8, I have already made my plans with it LOL. Again this V6 is a proven great engine package and it was the right call on GM's part for the camaro. To each his own, and yes this V6 camaro I think will suprise alot of people, not so sure bout the mustang gt, but it definately will get attention and cause some surprise, and I look forward to it.

the compression ratio isnt a problem because of the direct injection.

as far as the camaro v6 vs the evo: Gearing. the camaro will loose because of the gearing is so high in it.

Silver Streak · 01-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

the compression ratio isnt a problem because of the direct injection.

as far as the camaro v6 vs the evo: Gearing. the camaro will loose because of the gearing is so high in it.

how much boost do you think you could push with DI and the high CR? And BTW I am not changing my order on the SS LOL!

headpunter · 01-10-2009, 06:36 PM

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how much boost do you think you could push with DI and the high CR? And BTW I am not changing my order on the SS LOL!

the reason you cant run High Compression rates with boost is most usually because of detonation, but since the direct injection eliminates early detonation, i would guess about 5-6 lbs of boost. (speculative)

TheClassicCarKid · 01-10-2009, 06:39 PM

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im not doubting how good the v6 is however it is not good enough. Im sorry to say this but the camaro is to heavy. a v6 front wheel drive accord coupe will beat the v6 camaro im pretty sure If the numbers I saw were correct on the accord and just going by the prelim numbers on the camaro. that is not acceptable. and dont give me all the BS on safety standards and shit adding the weight because the new accord is new. any accord beating any camaro is not acceptable. and by the way im a die hard GM/camaro/firebird fan. and my family has had a gm store for 4 generations. just not happy that as good as the v6 is its not the top dog in its class as it should be. also Im confident the camaro would beat the accord in the turns. but like I said im think unless they improve the #s on the v6 the accord will beat it stop light to stop light.

What are the numbers for an Accord?

Silver Streak · 01-10-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

the reason you cant run High Compression rates with boost is most usually because of detonation, but since the direct injection eliminates early detonation, i would guess about 5-6 lbs of boost. (speculative)

Thanks for the information, much appreciated!

headpunter · 01-10-2009, 06:50 PM

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Thanks for the information, much appreciated!

like i said that is speculative, and by no means scientific or tested, but my Guess would be it should handle that without a problem.

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheClassicCarKid

What are the numbers for an Accord?

5.6. trying to find the 1/4 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 07:08 PM

standing 1/4 in 14.2. please oh please tell me the camaro V6 is better. also it pulls .85gs on the skid pad.

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 07:14 PM

so can someone tell me why honda can build a 190 inch accord coupe that weighs 3387 lbs. and chevy builds an 190 inch camaro that weighs 3780 lbs. just for a disclaimer I hate let me repeat that hate honda and all foreign cars for that matter.

TheClassicCarKid · 01-10-2009, 07:17 PM

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5.6. trying to find the 1/4 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

Huh, Edmunds got a 6.3 0-60 but I guess that's how it always is with Edmunds.
here's the link if anyone cares: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=123357

TheClassicCarKid · 01-10-2009, 07:19 PM

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standing 1/4 in 14.2. please oh please tell me the camaro V6 is better. also it pulls .85gs on the skid pad.

V6 Camaro should be 5.9-6.0 0-60.
What can I say? It's not a particularly light car.

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheClassicCarKid

What can I say? It's not a particularly light car.

lmfao idk I think thats sig worthy.

Xanthos · 01-10-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kylepo

standing 1/4 in 14.2. please oh please tell me the camaro V6 is better. also it pulls .85gs on the skid pad.

Right now, manufacturers estimates for the V6 is 14.3 1/4. Thats with the old 6.1 0-60. I think it will break into the 13's with a good driver, no problem.

Moderate suspension and power mods and you'll be running down GTs (13.7 1/4? Puh-lease...)
- Xanthos

Silver Streak · 01-10-2009, 07:36 PM

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so can someone tell me why honda can build a 190 inch accord coupe that weighs 3387 lbs. and chevy builds an 190 inch camaro that weighs 3780 lbs. just for a disclaimer I hate let me repeat that hate honda and all foreign cars for that matter.

IRS, RWD

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 08:14 PM

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IRS, RWD

ok let me rephrase that chevy should not of allowed a camaro to be beaten by the accord V6. no ifs and or buts lets all just hope GM will really get it together and make the V6 at least beat the V6 accord.

Silver Streak · 01-10-2009, 09:53 PM

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ok let me rephrase that chevy should not of allowed a camaro to be beaten by the accord V6. no ifs and or buts lets all just hope GM will really get it together and make the V6 at least beat the V6 accord.

beat is a pretty vague word! If you are talking straightline from a stop, how can we know until this car is on the street. Other than launching into straightlines I think the camaro wins hand down on all fronts, JMO!

manimsoblack · 01-10-2009, 10:25 PM

Well as the Honda had 11.84hp per lb, and 13.66lb-ft per lb and the Camaro has ~ 12.43hp per lb, and ~13.85lb-ft per lb it should be about a dead heat depending on gearing and who get's the better start, etc. I mean yeah it's a Honda, but it's a Honda that'll beat just about all stock older muscle cars, so it's worthy competition in my book. Props to Honda for making an accord that can compete with a Camaro. I still think the Camaro is way sexier, so i won't be getting a Honda any time soon. Also if you put the 6k that you'd spend to get the base Accord coupe into the base Camaro's performance that race would be a laugh

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Streak

beat is a pretty vague word! If you are talking straightline from a stop, how can we know until this car is on the street. Other than launching into straightlines I think the camaro wins hand down on all fronts, JMO!

yeah thats what im hopping for is that the camaro will be released and I will be pleasantly surprised but its not looking that way. When I say beat. I mean the accord should not be mentioned in the same sentence with any model of camaro. The camaro should beat it stop light to stop light and in the turns, im confident in the latter but the stop light to stop light still has me worried.

2010 SS · 01-10-2009, 10:42 PM

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Props to Honda for making an accord that can compete with a Camaro. I still think the Camaro is way sexier, so i won't be getting a Honda any time soon.

Camaro = Sex Appeal

Honda = Mom Appeal

manimsoblack · 01-10-2009, 10:45 PM

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Camaro = Sex Appeal

Honda = Mom Appeal

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 10:47 PM

And also a 5 series weighs less I mean these cars are incomparable price wise but they are about the same length and the 5 is rwd and I’m pretty sure it has IRS. So I guess the horse has been beaten to death but the camaro is too fat. Also the 5 series is new model out so it has all the same safety equipment and emission pork as the camaro.

kylepo · 01-10-2009, 10:49 PM

yeah no doubt the honda that will beat or will be close which is still losing im my mind almost costs as much as an SS so.......

manimsoblack · 01-10-2009, 11:29 PM

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yeah no doubt the honda that will beat or will be close which is still losing im my mind almost costs as much as an SS so.......

Well you'd better get ready for a paradigm shift. 22-23k cars aren't generally expected to beat much less keep up with 28+k cars. They're generally bargain vehicles, and not very much is expected of them. Look at competitors in that price range for a minute... A competitively priced Ford Fusion will get 160HP 156lb-ft so in other words it's a joke. My Grand AM would run circles around it. V6 Mustang 210hp 240lb-ft; no contest. Caliber r/t 173HP 166lb-ft, Challenger SE 250/250, Magnum/Charger 178/190, Accord 190/162 Coupe and 177/161 Sedan, Civic 140/128... and the list goes on, so basically dollar for dollar we're getting one of the the best looking, best performance, possibly best handling cars out there. And most that compete with it are in the price range of it's bigger bro the SS and they aren't even worthy of being mentioned in comparison to it. So if you want a V6 'maro that'll spank all other V6's put your money where your mouth is and make one. Otherwise quit your griping and be thankful that it is what it is.

I swear that would've only taken 2 or 3 mins to write if i weren't stealing internet as mine is down.

manimsoblack · 01-10-2009, 11:47 PM

sry about the multi post. my neghbors(?) internet just crapped out on me. so i'm using my phone.

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01-10-2009, 07:08 PM	#34
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 356	standing 1/4 in 14.2. please oh please tell me the camaro V6 is better. also it pulls .85gs on the skid pad.

01-10-2009, 07:14 PM	#35
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 356	so can someone tell me why honda can build a 190 inch accord coupe that weighs 3387 lbs. and chevy builds an 190 inch camaro that weighs 3780 lbs. just for a disclaimer I hate let me repeat that hate honda and all foreign cars for that matter.

01-10-2009, 10:25 PM	#43
manimsoblack Drives: 04 Pontiac Grand Am Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bradenton/Ruskin FL Posts: 1,244	Well as the Honda had 11.84hp per lb, and 13.66lb-ft per lb and the Camaro has ~ 12.43hp per lb, and ~13.85lb-ft per lb it should be about a dead heat depending on gearing and who get's the better start, etc. I mean yeah it's a Honda, but it's a Honda that'll beat just about all stock older muscle cars, so it's worthy competition in my book. Props to Honda for making an accord that can compete with a Camaro. I still think the Camaro is way sexier, so i won't be getting a Honda any time soon. Also if you put the 6k that you'd spend to get the base Accord coupe into the base Camaro's performance that race would be a laugh

01-10-2009, 10:47 PM	#47
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 356	And also a 5 series weighs less I mean these cars are incomparable price wise but they are about the same length and the 5 is rwd and I’m pretty sure it has IRS. So I guess the horse has been beaten to death but the camaro is too fat. Also the 5 series is new model out so it has all the same safety equipment and emission pork as the camaro.

01-10-2009, 10:49 PM	#48
kylepo Drives: 2002 firehawk.....missing 02CE Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Midland MI/salamanca NY Posts: 356	yeah no doubt the honda that will beat or will be close which is still losing im my mind almost costs as much as an SS so.......

01-10-2009, 11:47 PM	#50
manimsoblack Drives: 04 Pontiac Grand Am Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bradenton/Ruskin FL Posts: 1,244	sry about the multi post. my neghbors(?) internet just crapped out on me. so i'm using my phone.