Camaro V6 vs. Evo X

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Well I meant they are similar horsepower, semi-similar wieght and coming from this vehicle and moving towards the Camaro, it's an even competition and one hell of a savings.

Simply put, no it isn't.

[OUR72GTO]

Not so sure......... as no one will want to see that butt ugly Honda rear end.

[SilverTurtle]

at the drag strip, the EvoX is going to blow the doors off the Camaro LT and LS... but the SS is going to be the faster car when stacked against the EvoX at the strip.

on a road course, again, the LS and LT Camaro will be road kill for the Evo... but the SS might be able to hold its own with the right driver... its signficantly more powerful, should have the power to weight ratio advantage and it should be easier to rotate with the throttle in case of understeer... it all depends on whether or not the Evo driver can get far enough ahead in the twisties to not be overtaken on the straights.

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by kylepo

So I guess the horse has been beaten to death but the camaro is too fat. Also the 5 series is new model out so it has all the same safety equipment and emission pork as the camaro.

Every comparable car to the Camaro is within a couple hundred pounds. It's not that heavy (comparably), much less 'fat'. This car was overbuilt to handle SERIOUS power. Take that into consideration....

As for the Accord. I have absolutely no worries. The last numbers GM released was mid-late last year...they're ancient history now as the team has been massaging these cars over the past months. > Honda.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

I was comparing similar HP. 400hp vs 291 seemed quite obvious who might win that one.

I wanted to know how two 300hp vehicles would handle each other, regardless of the $10k price difference.

Well, throw in the H3 Alpha as well. It has about 300 hp. What about an Impala SS? We've already concluded a while ago that the Mustang GT (now with 315 hp) would make short work of the LS/LT Camaros. There is a whole lot more that can make a car fast than peak power. Power to weight is a much better way to guestimate performance than peak numbers. Even then, the evo has all wheel drive and short gearing so it can make up for much of its power deficiency at a stop light vs an SS. 1/4 mile? No chance for the Evo. There is a reason why the Evo costs 10k more than a V6 Camaro.

Originally Posted by kylepo

so can someone tell me why honda can build a 190 inch accord coupe that weighs 3387 lbs. and chevy builds an 190 inch camaro that weighs 3780 lbs. just for a disclaimer I hate let me repeat that hate honda and all foreign cars for that matter.

In addition to the safety standards and rwd, the chassis for the Camaro was designed to not flex with over 500 ftlbs of torque from the engine (supercharged versions have been tested). The never bothered to 'de-inforce' the V6 cars.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

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The never bothered to 'de-inforce' the V6 cars.

A fact that makes me very, very happy.
- Xanthos

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Every comparable car to the Camaro is within a couple hundred pounds. It's not that heavy (comparably), much less 'fat'. This car was overbuilt to handle SERIOUS power. Take that into consideration....

As for the Accord. I have absolutely no worries. The last numbers GM released was mid-late last year...they're ancient history now as the team has been massaging these cars over the past months. > Honda.

sorry I hope your right with the #s and I do not agree with the weight thing I mean a lexus GS 350 weighs about the same as the V6 camaro this is not acceptable to me. and an infiniti G coupe weighs less so does the sedan by even more. I still love the car and would never buy anything but GM but im just realizing this car is a little on the plump side and im not too happy about it.

[matt55]

A use-less fact ....
Evo IX ring time 8.11
Evo X has a +/- same HP, a lil more LBS and about the same tracks times on various tracks .
And 1 more use-less fact Evo X's are getting 60-100 whp gains with a reflash(or piggy back) and/or MBC's(running mid to high 12's).................

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by kylepo

sorry I hope your right with the #s and I do not agree with the weight thing I mean a lexus GS 350 weighs about the same as the V6 camaro this is not acceptable to me. and an infiniti G coupe weighs less so does the sedan by even more. I still love the car and would never buy anything but GM but im just realizing this car is a little on the plump side and im not too happy about it.

Understandable, I suppose. Another thing to think about it...how much do those cars cost?

But the good thing is performance isn't hindered on the Camaro. The suspension does a great job at 'hiding' the weight based on magazine reviews and reports from the Camaro "disciples". It's an awesome vehicle.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Understandable, I suppose. Another thing to think about it...how much do those cars cost?

But the good thing is performance isn't hindered on the Camaro. The suspension does a great job at 'hiding' the weight based on magazine reviews and reports from the Camaro "disciples". It's an awesome vehicle.

Yeah I know the cost but they are luxury sedans and coupes the camaro is a sports/muscle coupe. and all of the formentioned cars have all the gizmos and sound deading and all that other crap that luxury cars must have that camaro doesnt have that type of lexus crap. And the cars still come out lighter. I guess my gripes with the V6 dont really matter as that car is the car for every man and not a hardcore preformer like the SS but I just dont like the thought that their are accords and other cars out their like it that can give the V6 a solid run for the money.

[DGthe3]

If you think the Camaro weighs a lot, remember that the T4 Lancer Evo weighs ~3500 lbs. Cobalt SS weighs ~3000. The biggest difference between the two that would account for weight is AWD. Otherwise they are both turbocharged 4 cylinder compacts that seat 5 and have sport suspensions. That AWD system weighs a lot but not 500 lbs.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by kylepo

Yeah I know the cost but they are luxury sedans and coupes the camaro is a sports/muscle coupe. and all of the formentioned cars have all the gizmos and sound deading and all that other crap that luxury cars must have that camaro doesnt have that type of lexus crap. And the cars still come out lighter. I guess my gripes with the V6 dont really matter as that car is the car for every man and not a hardcore preformer like the SS but I just dont like the thought that their are accords and other cars out their like it that can give the V6 a solid run for the money.

GO watch a v6 review, write down the comments about how quiet the ride is, then read and re-read over and over again and answer some of your comments about sound deadening material, etc. The new Camaro transcends classification. It is a great car.

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by kylepo

...I just dont like the thought that their are accords and other cars out their like it that can give the V6 a solid run for the money.

As much as I hate to admit it, that's more of a testimate to the Accord, than a detraction from the Camaro....it just is. Performance isn't limited to any single type of vehicle anymore -- but that doesn't make it embarassing when a Cobalt SS or an Accord V6 can keep up with you.

Just think, those cars are on par with the BASE model of the Camaro...there's still a more powerful car in the lineup. The fact that the entire Camaro lineup can keep its head above the water so to speak is pretty impressive to me.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

GO watch a v6 review, write down the comments about how quiet the ride is, then read and re-read over and over again and answer some of your comments about sound deadening material, etc. The new Camaro transcends classification. It is a great car.

ok so are we going to argue about tech sound deading in a lexus GS vs the camaro???? because the two cars are about the same size and weight.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

As much as I hate to admit it, that's more of a testimate to the Accord, than a detraction from the Camaro....it just is. Performance isn't limited to any single type of vehicle anymore -- but that doesn't make it embarassing when a Cobalt SS or an Accord V6 can keep up with you.

Just think, those cars are on par with the BASE model of the Camaro...there's still a more powerful car in the lineup. The fact that the entire Camaro lineup can keep its head above the water so to speak is pretty impressive to me.

yeah your right but I dont like that lol about the accord that is. im sorry I still stand by my statement that no freaking honda accord should ever be able to touch a camaro.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by kylepo

ok so are we going to argue about tech sound deading in a lexus GS vs the camaro???? because the two cars are about the same size and weight.

Read the last two sentences.

[Dragoneye]

Originally Posted by kylepo

yeah your right but I dont like that lol about the accord that is.

pfft. Neither do I. It hurt me to type that.
I'm just not going to put down the Camaro because of it, though...

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Read the last two sentences.

ok re read this. LEXUS GS. you can hardly hear the outside world in that car at all or feel the road. I hope the camaro is not like that.

[BowtieGuy]

There is always a bigger fish. The base model Camaro is an oustanding car for it's price. Once you start comparing it to other cars costing considerably more of course you're going to get disappointed a few times. The brilliance of this is that the car is so good you must start looking out of it's price range to find competition. Be happy for that.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

There is always a bigger fish. The base model Camaro is an oustanding car for it's price. Once you start comparing it to other cars costing considerably more of course you're going to get disappointed a few times. The brilliance of this is that the car is so good you must start looking out of it's price range to find competition. Be happy for that.

This is what I've been trying to say over and over again.

For Example - Yes, a 2010 mustang GT will be able to beat a Camaro V6 at the strip (by all of .5 if you use the old GM estimate. I'm thinking it'll closer to .3 or .4 once they knock that .2 off the 0-60) but the difference will be incredibly small! Maybe a car length and a half at the finish line, at most! And considering that the mustang w/ track package (which is the one that got the 13.8 1/4) will cost as least 30,000, and 33,000 if its an option only available on the GT premium - we're talking a SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR DIFFERENCE in price. For the money, the GT should be a lot more than a car length ahead at the finish line.
- Xanthos

[Bails]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

This is what I've been trying to say over and over again.

For Example - Yes, a 2010 mustang GT will be able to beat a Camaro V6 at the strip (by all of .5 if you use the old GM estimate. I'm thinking it'll closer to .3 or .4 once they knock that .2 off the 0-60) but the difference will be incredibly small! Maybe a car length and a half at the finish line, at most! And considering that the mustang w/ track package (which is the one that got the 13.8 1/4) will cost as least 30,000, and 33,000 if its an option only available on the GT premium - we're talking a SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR DIFFERENCE in price. For the money, the GT should be a lot more than a car length ahead at the finish line.
- Xanthos

Yea but I don't think Ford really cares about HP at the moment, which is why I'm getting a Camaro instead of another Mustang. The Mustang GT costs more cause it has some nice features like Sync and a nav system. The interior of the 2010 is a lot nicer than the 05-09. Ford's just trying to get sales and seems content to lose the HP war again. But then again the 2011 model is supposed to get a HP upgrade, so we'll see.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Bails

Yea but I don't think Ford really cares about HP at the moment, which is why I'm getting a Camaro instead of another Mustang. The Mustang GT costs more cause it has some nice features like Sync and a nav system. The interior of the 2010 is a lot nicer than the 05-09. Ford's just trying to get sales and seems content to lose the HP war again. But then again the 2011 model is supposed to get a HP upgrade, so we'll see.

I certainly hope they get a HP upgrade. HP wars are what make the car great.
- Xanthos

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I certainly hope they get a HP upgrade. HP wars are what make the car great.
- Xanthos

I don't think it will get all that much. Girls don't generally like too much power. As long as it is shiny on the outside.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

I don't think it will get all that much. Girls don't generally like too much power. As long as it is shiny on the outside.

OUCH!!!

[The Boat]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Well I meant they are similar horsepower, semi-similar wieght and coming from this vehicle and moving towards the Camaro, it's an even competition and one hell of a savings.

why would you ever, ever, ever, ever, switch from an evox to a camaro v6???? I don't understand. Evox is sooo much better in every aspect than camaro c6 accept maybe mpg.