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Old 01-10-2009, 12:28 AM   #101
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Thank you Scott for clearing this up, as usual! I can sleep peacefully tonight now.
Can anyone tell me what exactly he cleared up and why everyone's so cheery? Summary: "GM cares about you, we don't just care about V6's, we want to build a good Camaro."

This doesn't explain anything, and it sure doesn't explain why in the near future a lot of you will be waiting months on end for your dealer to get allocated another V8 because you weren't first in line for the SS.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:29 AM   #102
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Well, after the panic from earlier today, I do have two questions...

With the new launch date, are things looking better as far as having the Ambient lighting system ready to go in the 2SS/2LT's?

And if the Ambient Lighting is not ready by launch time, will there be a way to easily add it later?

Also, thanks for the words of sanity to calm everyone down.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:33 AM   #103
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P.S. The whole "allocation" scheme stinks to high heaven and it's one of the things you guys should be working to ELIMINATE. When I order a computer from Dell, I go to their website and fill out an order and press <ENTER> and my order is built and shipped to me WITHOUT having to sit around for all eternity because some incompetent boobs in my area hadn't sold meny computers in the last quarter/year/whatever.

Let me introduce you to a new concept for ordering cars. I call it "First come first served."

You guys should make this a PRIORITY. It will help you in ways no union-busting bailout loan could EVER hope to equal!!!!
May I suggest that you take that up with your elected officials?

We don't like it any more than you do -- and the threads that 'broke out' today are just ONE of the problems we face with allocation.

(Why do you assume WE made the rules on allocation?)

Computers are cars are two wildly different things...........

As I said in an earlier post about allocation: Go talk to the guys from Honda that went to jail because they did not follow an 'allocation' plan.

Not our choice!

If we could build "first come, first served" we'd have happy customers -- and that's what we want. Alas, we must follow the law to the letter!
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:35 AM   #104
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Scott, the problem isn't in the month delay...people will get over that. Delays happen. The problem is this:

If you build V6's and V8's at a 50/50 ratio you WILL piss off a lot of preorders who will be forced to wait. GM knows the V6 is more important than the V8, hell, we all know that. But right now you've got a 80/20 ratio...you HAVE to ramp up V8 production more than V6 production.

GM is a business obviously and they need Camaro's at dealerships so people can look, feel, touch, etc. However, the people taking the fall for this are the preorders...for every V6 you guys have sitting at a dealership...well, that's just one more V8 order not being fulfilled. Let the V8 owners market the car for you...when people see the V8's rolling around they WILL want a Camaro, and it's much better for everyone to get these cars on the road as fast as possible.

Just tell me why 50/50 is the selected build rate for right now...why would you do that to your customers...the people in the back of the V8 line, you're going to lose those customers...
They did not specifically say that 50/50 would be the build rate. That comment came from scott a long time ago actually. But earlier in this thread he confirmed that they would be building more V8s than V6s to match the customer orders.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:40 AM   #105
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Let me introduce you to a new concept for ordering cars. I call it "First come first served."

You guys should make this a PRIORITY. It will help you in ways no union-busting bailout loan could EVER hope to equal!!!!




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Scott, the problem isn't in the month delay...people will get over that. Delays happen. The problem is this:

If you build V6's and V8's at a 50/50 ratio you WILL piss off a lot of preorders who will be forced to wait. GM knows the V6 is more important than the V8, hell, we all know that. But right now you've got a 80/20 ratio...you HAVE to ramp up V8 production more than V6 production.



GM is a business obviously and they need Camaro's at dealerships so people can look, feel, touch, etc. However, the people taking the fall for this are the preorders...for every V6 you guys have sitting at a dealership...well, that's just one more V8 order not being fulfilled. Let the V8 owners market the car for you...when people see the V8's rolling around they WILL want a Camaro, and it's much better for everyone to get these cars on the road as fast as possible.

Just tell me why 50/50 is the selected build rate for right now...why would you do that to your customers...the people in the back of the V8 line, you're going to lose those customers...


Cars on the road are better advertising that cars sitting in a dealer.

My dealer has an allocation of 6...I was the 'first' in line...but am coming in third as the owner gets number one, a repeat customer gets two, and I'm third in line.

My concern is that now I'm looking at late summer...pure speculation on my part...but based on the facts at hand how could I really expect anything different? All I know is that if I see a bunch of Camaros (and I don't care if they're V6 or V8) running around on the street before I've got confirmation on my delivery date...real confirmation....then I'll be pulling my order.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:46 AM   #106
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May I suggest that you take that up with your elected officials?

We don't like it any more than you do -- and the threads that 'broke out' today are just ONE of the problems we face with allocation.

(Why do you assume WE made the rules on allocation?)

Computers are cars are two wildly different things...........

As I said in an earlier post about allocation: Go talk to the guys from Honda that went to jail because they did not follow an 'allocation' plan.

Not our choice!

If we could build "first come, first served" we'd have happy customers -- and that's what we want. Alas, we must follow the law to the letter!
There's only really two entities involved- the seller (you) and the buyer (really the dealers). So if you didn't make the allocation rules, can I assume...

And, like everyone else, thanks for calming the masses, especially me and especially at 1:45 in the morning...
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:47 AM   #107
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Can anyone tell me what exactly he cleared up and why everyone's so cheery? Summary: "GM cares about you, we don't just care about V6's, we want to build a good Camaro."

This doesn't explain anything, and it sure doesn't explain why in the near future a lot of you will be waiting months on end for your dealer to get allocated another V8 because you weren't first in line for the SS.
Think of it this way, if you were going to get an SS would you order it to your exact preferences or pick one up off the lot? What about the typical V6 buyer? Are they more likely to drive one off the lot or place an order to get a specific car with everything they want and nothing else?

Plus there are likely to be supplier issues. There isn't a mountain of parts sitting in Oshawa right now ready to be turned into a Camaro. Most manufacturers can only produce parts at a particular rate, give or take a bit. But to build a supply of 8000 SS parts to be built in the first 2 months then string out 14000 more over the next 14 months isn't really feasible.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:50 AM   #108
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:50 AM   #109
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I gotta tell ya.............




...........after TRYING To read thru the IDL thread (and banging my head against the wall after page 4...........)


I've decided that..........



>>>uncle Fbodfather NEEDS a cocktail....


*hic!*
Cheers, Scott.

This Bud's for YOU.



BTW - this is one time I am glad I was so busy with my job I didn't have a chance to catch up on things. I dont even have to read it all to know what's there.

Y'all really need to take a serious chill pill. Really.


Really.......
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:52 AM   #110
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Thanks for the update. I can't wait for mine....whenever it comes.

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Old 01-10-2009, 12:57 AM   #111
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Wow...what a day...

I really wish these guys at GM would let Scott do the IDL's. These range of emotions are killing me. So I'm gonna get my 2SS/RS on March 17th right?
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Wow...what a day...

I really wish these guys at GM would let Scott do the IDL's. These range of emotions are killing me. So I'm gonna get my 2SS/RS on March 17th right?


JUST KIDDING!!!
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:09 AM   #113
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JUST KIDDING!!!
Oh, we need all the humor we can get right about now.

By the way guys...I just heard the reason we haven't seen the CGM Camaro is that it isn't a real color and was just presented as an option for market research. All CGM Camaro's will be painted black.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:11 AM   #114
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The sky may have not fallen, but after reading 29 pages on the doom thread plus these 5 happier pages my eyes are drooping.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:13 AM   #115
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Oh, we need all the humor we can get right about now.

By the way guys...I just heard the reason we haven't seen the CGM Camaro is that it isn't a real color and was just presented as an option for market research. All CGM Camaro's will be painted black.
Nice comeback - I like that!

BTW -- ITS GREY -- FINAL ANSWER!!!!!!
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.....oh - by the way -- CAFE will play a role in future years of the Camaro -- but right now, we're safe..........
SWEET! Build that LS7 CAMARO, FIRST!!!
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I have to admit that when I first heard the very exaggerated news of the V8 not coming out until 2014, I thought about test driving a 370Z. Now I feel dirty. Like I need to go take a shower type of dirty...
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Wow ...my eyes are blurring and running! Got to page 29 and BAM !!!! it was closed off.

I am not upset about a 30 day reset. I am not the least bit surprised that dealers are going to get a showroom model before all the v8's are made.

NO where has GM called this a muscle car. This car was built to compete with imports that are not V8'S. That all was in place well before the events of this fall. GM's survival is directly related to how well this car competes with Honda, Toyota and some from the other ocean.

Too many clods on here with me! me !me !. Think a few years ahead, without those 6's there may be no CAMARO ..so where do you get affordable replacement/service parts?

I totally disagree with a comment made 15 pages back. "Demand does not dictate supply"
You will I believe actually see that supply will dictate demand.

Those 30 % of dealers who did not place preorders should be shipped all v6 only until the back orders from the preorders are filled.

The IDL was done by some rank amateurs....TO BAD all this bad press on the eve of THE auto show.

I am buying this car because I will replace a Honda Coupe . Finally Chevy will make a car with a stick with some style. (This is not a 99 Grand AM .. WE BUILD EXCITEMENT!)
If everyone wants GM to prosper you better hope more like me want to replace a Honda.The brand will not survive with the only the support of the " V8 enthusiasts"
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I have to admit that when I first heard the very exaggerated news of the V8 not coming out until 2014, I thought about test driving a 370Z. Now I feel dirty. Like I need to go take a shower type of dirty...


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[QUOTE=fbodfather;240748]....

Thoughts:

1. The one month delay is to bring you the BEST POSSIBLE Camaro ever....Let me assure you that the 'easy' thing to do would be to build the car -- get your money -- and then have you bring the cars back for 'little dissatisfiers' -- which, in reality would be upsetting to most people that they had to take a new car back for service -- .......and we are NOT willing to do that. The Camaro team feels that we need to sweat every detail on this car so that you will be completely satisfied at delivery - but MORE importantly -- you'll still have that grin on your face years after delivery.

thank you Mr. fbodfather for addressing the nation . Now my question is what are these 'little dissatisfiers' that caused the delay?
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