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Old 01-10-2009, 08:52 AM   #151
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LOL. Don't bother reading it. I'll give you the cliff's notes here...

Lots of people: OMFG... THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!! I'm NOT GETTING MY CAMARO!!! I'M CANCELING MY ORDER TOMORROW!!!!

A few people (namely scotty): Calm down. Have faith. You'll get your cars. GM won't screw this up *that bad*.

Repeat a few hundred times and there ya go.
Thanks for saving me the time reading thru the Camaro is delayed 1 month thread! On a positive note I saw in the original post that "all discounts will be available from day 1". That is great news!!!
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:57 AM   #152
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Thanks for saving me the time reading thru the Camaro is delayed 1 month thread! On a positive note I saw in the original post that "all discounts will be available from day 1". That is great news!!!
Yeah... just wish I qualified for some of those discounts!

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May I suggest that you take that up with your elected officials?

We don't like it any more than you do -- and the threads that 'broke out' today are just ONE of the problems we face with allocation.

(Why do you assume WE made the rules on allocation?)

Computers are cars are two wildly different things...........

As I said in an earlier post about allocation: Go talk to the guys from Honda that went to jail because they did not follow an 'allocation' plan.

Not our choice!

If we could build "first come, first served" we'd have happy customers -- and that's what we want. Alas, we must follow the law to the letter!
Whoa... I never realized the allocation program was a law!

So wait a minute here. The government puts a law out there saying, "You can only sell this many cars in this area blah blah blah" but then puts up a stink when you don't sell as many cars? That doesn't make sense to me.

Let's take Maine for example (snowy climate...probably not many Camaros and Corvettes around). Say a dealership is allocated 5 Camaros. 4 are V6's and 1 is an SS. What if you have 20 people looking for an SS and nobody looking for a V6? You can't give those people their cars until you find 4 people that want to buy a V6? That means that 19 people leave the dealership and go elsewhere. Why was the government dragging their feet with the bailout money? Some of it could be their fault.
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:59 AM   #154
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I can wait i know it's hard for you young guns. however i have one concearn i gave my dealer a few grand when i placed the oreder for my sons 2 LT the check was made out to the dealers name. what happens if they close there doors due to the economy. Do i loose out on my deposit or will GM make me whole on my order? thanks in advance. Chevy Jim
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:09 AM   #155
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Scott - A personal Thank You for your incredible support to the Camaro community. Your professional insight and associated updates have helped quell the rumors and given us the details as to the whats and whys of this beloved Camaro's path to our doorsteps.

You must feel like this is giving birth to a baby - with options !!

After you sell your first million, you can look back and say waiting to get it right was definitely worth it.

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Old 01-10-2009, 09:14 AM   #156
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With the workbench # I got for my 2SS and the letter I got from GM with Ed thanking me for ordering a car. Do I need to do anything else? Does GM know that order is placed with my specs for my car? And I will get that car some time this year?

My worry is I don't know if I really have an order placed that GM knows about, I think I do since I got a letter, but who knows?

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Yeah... just wish I qualified for some of those discounts!

(I used to work for a GM supplier but I lost that... CRAP!)
Dealers do not have to and, in my opinion, WILL NOT honor GMS/GMU. Why would they? To give away free money? At least they won't honor it on sold orders. New orders? Maybe. But that puts you at the end of the line and we now know that could be almost next year.


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Whoa... I never realized the allocation program was a law!

So wait a minute here. The government puts a law out there saying, "You can only sell this many cars in this area blah blah blah" but then puts up a stink when you don't sell as many cars? That doesn't make sense to me.

Let's take Maine for example (snowy climate...probably not many Camaros and Corvettes around). Say a dealership is allocated 5 Camaros. 4 are V6's and 1 is an SS. What if you have 20 people looking for an SS and nobody looking for a V6? You can't give those people their cars until you find 4 people that want to buy a V6? That means that 19 people leave the dealership and go elsewhere. Why was the government dragging their feet with the bailout money? Some of it could be their fault.

I posed the question after Scott's post about who "makes the rules" on allocation. IMO it has to be in the dealership franchise contracts and thus can be enforced in a court of law. I agree with you; why would the government have anything to do with telling what you can sell where? It makes no sense. They are in a position to enforce what you (the dealers) have agreed on.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:17 AM   #157
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CAN GM DROP OFF A CAMARO FOR ME TO TEST? I SWEAR THAT YOU'LL GET A GREAT PERSPECTIVE AND OPINION FROM ME.

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Old 01-10-2009, 09:19 AM   #158
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:21 AM   #159
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....sorry but we're putting the final touches on NAIAS so I was not able to get on the site for the past couple of days -- but I started to read thru the IDL thread -- and DEAR GOD there is WAY too much mis-information out there.

Camaro Greg -- Please stop trying to 'interpret'.... While I believe your motives are honest and and well-meaning, you are -- perhaps unintentionally -- misleading people with some of what you are saying. I don't have the time to print off the thread, but there are just too many things that you -- and other people are 'interpreting' and most of it's wrong...............

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1. The one month delay is to bring you the BEST POSSIBLE Camaro ever....Let me assure you that the 'easy' thing to do would be to build the car -- get your money -- and then have you bring the cars back for 'little dissatisfiers' -- which, in reality would be upsetting to most people that they had to take a new car back for service -- .......and we are NOT willing to do that. The Camaro team feels that we need to sweat every detail on this car so that you will be completely satisfied at delivery - but MORE importantly -- you'll still have that grin on your face years after delivery.

BELIEVE ME - no one wants to 'delay' a start-up -- but we are doing this in YOUR interest as well as ours. (.....we could use the money right now....but it isn't worth it to ignore little nuances that need to be addressed.......)

2. We are NOT focusing only on V6s. We understand -- and frankly, are blessed -- that we have so many Camaro enthusiasts that have turned this car into a lifestyle -- (and some might say: addiction!)

Now for a personal comment: whomever feels we don't care about enthusiasts is living in a vacuum.
I could list for hours the things we have done to involve our valued enthusiasts in everything about this car........from electing "the 12 disciples of which there are 15" to sharing information about this car LONNGGGGGGGGGG before we -- or any other manufacturer -- has done ....EVER........

I have personally put in thousands of hours of my own time to keep the community together -- and to try and keep the faith within the community. I don't expect anyone to thank me -- or to 'cowtow' to me -- I chose to do it because, like you, I LOVE THE CAMARO -- and it was -- and is -- the right thing to do.......but when I hear someone say "GM doesn't care about us" I get a *bit upset*......

We ARE going to provide each dealer with a new Camaro -- for many reasons: We want people to come in and sit in the car -- to drive the car -- to fall in love with the car -- and to order the car of their dreams -- and we're doing it with the V6 car because we KNOW that a large percentage of our enthusiasts want a V8 engine -- so rather than build a 'stock' V8 -- we'll build V6s for stock -- and build V8s to get you your 'sold' order as soon as we can.

I know for a fact that many dealers have asked us to build them a 'stock' car so that they can have a "Camaro Celebration" with their local Camaro clubs. And -- it's no surprise that most of these cars will be Silver -- because, you see -- the Silver Concept blew people away --even people who would never normally consider a Camaro as their 'car of choice' -- and the production car is a dead ringer to the concept --......

.....oh - by the way -- CAFE will play a role in future years of the Camaro -- but right now, we're safe.......

We are not **completely stupid** -- we KNOW how badly you want your new Camaros -- and it's our intent to do whatever we can to get them to you ASAP -- BUT - we won't ship cars until we're confident that we've taken care of any outstanding issue.

Now -- I must warn you -- John, Cheryl and I are going to be tied up with NAIAS for the next several days -- so we won't be able to come onto this site at will and answer your questions - and if the thread goes to a couple of hundred posts -- I won't be able to read 'em all.......

What I would simply ask you to do is know that:

>We are BLESSED to have you as a Camaro Enthusiast
>We want your new Camaro to be the best car you've ever owned..
>We only wish we could see the grins on your collective faces the first time you get behind the wheel -- turn the key -- and drive at a *lively pace* out of the dealership.
>We are working long into the night to address any issues that we feel need to be addressed before shipping new Camaros to you.
>We want to sell as many Camaros as possible -- because that allows us to work on a 6th gen........but to do that, we also know that the car has to appeal to more than just enthusiasts -- and that's where the V6 comes into play.......


Thanks for your continued patience -- I think you'll find the wait was more than worthwhile..........
Scott

Thanks for the update. You and the Camaro team are doing an excellent job and we'll do our part here in Oshawa. As a forth generation GM employee currently working in the Camaro flex plant i can tell you this is a great platform to be a part of. Myself and the men and woman of the Oshawa operation are proud to be a part of this great North American sports car and look forward to a successful launch of the all new 5thGen Camaro. GO GM , GO TEAM CAMARO.
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FORGET THE GIRL, A GOOD CAMARO IS MUCH BETTER. AND SEND THE COPS TO THE DONUT SHOPS SO THE ROADS CLEAR FOR MY TESTING
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:25 AM   #161
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Thanks for the post Scott, as usual. I hate to sound like a negative nancy, because typically that's not my MO, but did you really answer the question of how the 50/50 build plan will affect the "allocations" of SS pre-ordered?
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:25 AM   #162
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Well if it mattered to delay production then I want to know what it is.
The odds of them disclosing this info is pretty slim. You never want your customer to know what your quality problems are, because then the customer population has a tendency to "look" for a problem that may or may not exist.


Also - THANK YOU SCOTT for coming on here and easing alot of people's frustration and anxiety.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:29 AM   #163
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The odds of them disclosing this info is pretty slim. You never want your customer to know what your quality problems are, because then the customer population has a tendency to "look" for a problem that may or may not exist.


Also - THANK YOU SCOTT for coming on here and easing alot of people's frustration and anxiety.
Agreed, and exactly for the reason you suggest. However, I'll bet you lunch that we know what the cause(s) were before production launch. It will leak.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:30 AM   #164
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THANK YOU, for your responce. I'm waiting. Cant wait to get mine, and I will send you a pic. of me when I pick it up, so you know I love my camaro as much as you guy's
+1, Can't wait to get mine this summer and will happily send a picture of my ear-to-ear grin as I let those 426 horses loose (after the proper break in period of course). ")
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Agreed, and exactly for the reason you suggest. However, I'll bet you lunch that we know what the cause(s) were before production launch. It will leak.
You probably right. It is bound to get leaked out why the dely is for, I was just saying from a Buisness standpoint.

If it does get out and I'm ever up in the Bufflo area for Buisness I'll honor that lunch! LOL!
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You probably right. It is bound to get leaked out why the dely is for, I was just saying from a Buisness standpoint.

If it does get out and I'm ever up in the Bufflo area for Buisness I'll honor that lunch! LOL!
ROADTRIP to somewhere in the middle either way?

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ROADTRIP to somewhere in the middle either way?


Not a bad idea. Once I have my Camaro, I have this feeling I will be doing alot more weekend "road trips." Is there an Indy gathering next year?
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Allocation Numbers

There is so much information/mis-information/prayer/hand holding in the forum, the only thing that really matters is the exact number of SS and V6 Camaros that are being allocated by specific Dealer in 2009. Nothing else matters.
GM will soon be publishing the exact number of SS cars they will build this year and each and every Dealer will know exactly how many he will have to sell.

Then the Dealers can look at their unofficial GM Pre Orders and try to offer their SS cars to the people who ordered SS cars and let them know if they will get one the last half of the year or 2010. Then the SS pre order guys can do one of two things.

1. Go to a dealer who did not do preorders and pay thru the nose
2. Wait until 2010 to buy one.

I did not preorder because I knew deep down inside what was going on but if I had and knew I was not getting one till 2010 once the exact, accurate numbers are released I would get my deposit back and renegotiate my deal at invoice plus in 2010, not MSRP.

Guys GM knows or will know very soon the exact number by Dealer, if they don't then they should go out of business. The Dealers will also know and some will be honest and share that information with their customers, others will not share the numbers and keep everyone hanging.

I am not being negative here, only posting my best sense of what I believe will happen. Once we have the allocation by Dealer then and only then will you know where you stand. All other discussion is BS.


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I would be honored if you could answer 2 questions for me:

#1: With a delay on production startup, will the date when you have to finalise your order before it goes to factory also be pushed back?

#2: On the other thread about todays IDL, it says that the factory might offer more stripes in the near future. I am wondering is this true, and are they talking about colors, or length as well? (Can I get factory bumblebees now?)

Thank you for your time, you are awesome and I for one appreciate all the time you guys put into this community. It shows your love for this product.
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Frankly, this is a stupid request. If you knew about every issue that they encountered and corrected on EVERY car produced, you would ride a bike. They come upon issues like, the gap in the door isn't lining up so they readjust the line so that the door gaps are within specifications. Frankly, we don't need to know about stuff like that. Just forget about it and know that when your cars comes it will be perfect.

Fbodfather, I really appreciate you taking the time to be on this site and to share as much information with us as you do. We know the extra effort you put in and I for one (along with lots of us) appreciate it greatly. We just ask that you and GM understand that we are all hanging by your every word and anxiously awaiting our cars. We have invested a fair amount of money (both in deposits and expected total payments) on this car. All we ask is that you guys keep us in the loop as much as you can.
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I may be the only one that's happy the Camaro is delayed. I just got laid off yesterday and now I have a month to get back on my feet. The Camaro delay was the best new I got yesterday. That added in with a the delay results in a better product.
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I may be the only one that's happy the Camaro is delayed. I just got laid off yesterday and now I have a month to get back on my feet. The Camaro delay was the best new I got yesterday. That added in with a the delay results in a better product.
Now that's the way to have a positive perspective. Best of luck getting back on your feet.
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I'm quietly waiting for my dealership to call me when my black ss2 LS3 manual stick car show's up. If it's a month delay is better than never seeing it at all. So, thank you Scott for all your help and Tammy is right come visit the great norhtwest for a great vacation.
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I'm happy things have calmed down a bit. I can't belive how many posts were on the IDL thread. Towards the end someone said the Mustang GT was going to have V6 Camaros for lunch. I did a little research, and the V6 Camaro with it's 300HP engine is the same amount of HP on a V8 GT Mustang. So, I don't think it will have any Camaro for lunch.

I would rather wait to make sure the car is perfect, rather than get one that needs to be in the shop all the time. Plus it gives me time to pay off my truck!
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THANK YOU !!!


This is a PERFECT THREAD to illustrate one of the points I've been trying to make..............here's someone who wasn't even CONSIDERING a Camaro -- and lookie what happened!!!!

I'm from a family that grew up on Hondas and later made the switch to Mercedes. My father had an old Chevy ages ago and swore never to buy an American car after all the problems he had. I'm 31 and was dead set on getting an 08 Acura TL but after reading about the new Camaro I can't shake my desire for an American muscle car. My family thinks I'm crazy but something tells me this will be a quality product. Reading the forums I see the passion everyone has for it and I'm sold.
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