PLEASE READ THIS. Delivery dates, production, allocation, etc.

[TAG UR IT]

I'm going to do the best I possibly can to explain this...please try to follow along as I try to make a long story short and sum all of this craziness up.


WE ARE NOT GETTING SCREWED BY GM.


GM will be building V6 Camaros for dealers. There is nothing different with this than when they built a bunch of Saturn Sky's for their dealers. Ask Skyman! These "dealer cars" will be sent to dealers just to get people to come into the dealer and sit in them....to secure FUTURE orders....orders for the V8! They are not meant to be sold to people...just like the Saturn Sky's they sent out in the past. But, back then, Saturn SOLD those cars! Once again, ask Skyman, because HE BOUGHT ONE that was supposed to be a dealer showroom model.

SO...the immediate build of V6 Camaros are for the dealers showroom floor. Period.

As far as the rumor of getting your 30% of V8's in October....

Here's the scoop.

Dealers get an allocation.
If they order OVER their allocation and you are #15 at a dealer who only has 14 allocated spots, guess what....you won't be getting yours right off the bat. That's part of how allocation works. If you are #15 and you don't like that, GO TO A DEALER THAT STILL HAS AVAILABLE ALLOCATIONS and please stop complaining. This is allocation. This is how it works. Other dealer will have available orders. Go order from them and get your car "on time" so you won't have to wait.

Delay in production....

This is not something to get all pissed off about. As said hundreds of times, it takes about 3 YEARS to get an all new car to market. Well...plans for production didn't go into effect until, what....JULY????? of 2006? That means that technically, it should take (on average) 3 years to bring to market and our cars won't begin to be made until July of this year.....months AFTER March. GM tried and almost had this car out 5 months or so faster due to consumer demand. Now, it's going down to 4 months. BIG DEAL. One month, IMHO, won't kill anyone here. If it affects someones order here, I'm truly sorry. But, the car itself is technically coming out MONTHS faster than it should.

GM knows we want our V8's. GM KNOWS they have LOYAL enthusiasts that are going to PREACH about their cars NONSTOP!!! Don't you all think they want US to get our cars?!?!

Immediately following the build and shipment of V6's to dealers (which won't take long), they will begin building OUR PRE-ORDERS...V8's and all! Again, all of the pre-orders come FIRST. GM has already "fixed" V6 to V8 build #'s to better suit demand. Geez....they WANT to sell the darn car and make money.


SO....


If you don't want your car in October...and you want it sooner...go order from a dealer who has you in their initial allocation shipment.

I hope this has put some rumors to rest.



Thank you and you may now go back to your regular scheduled programming.

[FenwickHockey65]

THANK YOU.

Now can everyone stop freaking out and complaining?

[OUR72GTO]

Only one question....who is going to pink slip the dough heads who ran the IDL?

[Legend]

Thanks Tag!!

I too was upset and worried but once I figured out the process I realize I am still getting my 2SS...only a 4 week delay plus V6 ramp up at the start...so a few months later is all.

Just have to stay on my dealer now to ensure he orders my V8 with his first V8 allocation!

[TAG UR IT]

^Who put all of that out for public information and was not supposed to? I don't know what will happen to them, but I hear the rumor they are actively being taken care of. Mmmm hmmm...

[stovt001]

Thanks Tag.

As I mentioned in a another thread, I used to work in a large, non-GM brand dealership in the inventory office. Two of my duties were to change cars allocated to us (color, options, configuration) and to manage our ordered-cars list. It has been a few years, and since this was a dealer for a different manufacturer, and since franchise laws vary from state to state my knowledge won't be precisely accurate to what we're dealing with the Camaro, but if you have any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer. I'm not affiliated with any dealerships or any other automotive related company now, so I can be pretty neutral.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

^Who put all of that out for public information and was not supposed to? I don't know what will happen to them, but I hear the rumor they are actively being taken care of. Mmmm hmmm...

I hear that 30 black Suburbans showed up at the person's house, people in suits came in every window, and someone was thrown into a Suburban and heard screaming for blocks.

[themossman]

*******EDIT*********

Will update shortly...but my post below was based on a video that it *appeared* that Scotty posted in his original post on the IDL. I later found out that the video link was added into his post by someone other than himself (it has since been removed). Based on the fact that it was in Scotty's post, I assumed he placed it there and that he supported the contents therein. I have since learned otherwise. So...I 'retract' the first line of my post below.

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I just watched that video that Scotty posted of 'CamaroConti' or whatever his name is....

If there is truth in what he says 'Congratulations, you participated in a marketing study'....not only will I cancel my order, my opinion of GM and my confidence in them will be destroyed. It will not be a company that I do business with...read into that...I will never buy a new GM. I may buy used...but not new.


This really is not rocket science and GM needs to pull their head out of their rear end (and not the one with gears in it). They have 10,000 orders...and they know where those orders came from and what the allocation for those dealers is...this is not rocket science. PROVIDE ESTIMATED DELIVERY DATES. Or...are they trying to string us along in hopes that we won't cancel our order? If I don't have an estimate by the time production starts...my order will be cancel. Would you let your suppliers treat you this way? I don't think so...

This is shaping up to be a potential bloodbath...at a time when GM really does not need negative press...

[NAHURRY]

Tag ...This is why YOUR the man!!! Great post, and THANKS for clearing
the air

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by themossman

I just watched that video that Scotty posted of 'CamaroConti' or whatever his name is....

If there is truth in what he says 'Congratulations, you participated in a marketing study'....not only will I cancel my order, my opinion of GM and my confidence in them will be destroyed. It will not be a company that I do business with...read into that...I will never buy a new GM. I may buy used...but not new.


This really is not rocket science and GM needs to pull their head out of their rear end (and not the one with gears in it). They have 10,000 orders...and they know where those orders came from and what the allocation for those dealers is...this is not rocket science. PROVIDE ESTIMATED DELIVERY DATES. Or...are they trying to string us along in hopes that we won't cancel our order? If I don't have an estimate by the time production starts...my order will be cancel. Would you let your suppliers treat you this way? I don't think so...

This is shaping up to be a potential bloodbath...at a time when GM really does not need negative press...

*sigh*

This IDL has been a huge mess. My understanding is that while GM did use the preorders to gauge reception to the Camaro, they never intended it to be solely a "market study." They fully intend to build your Camaro and the 10,000 other preorders.

[CamaroScotty]

No, the other dealership posted the video THEY made, I posted no video from the IDL... and it was a very short segment of a almost two hour broadcast, which had much more information.

I also said I didn't agree with what was being said, and I ALSO said in time, things would be explained in detail, and people should be patient and wait for a credible reply.

People ARE watching, and the truth does come out - in TIME!

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

*sigh*

This IDL has been a huge mess. My understanding is that while GM did use the preorders to gauge reception to the Camaro, they never intended it to be solely a "market study." They fully intend to build your Camaro and the 10,000 other preorders.

:troll: Regardless of what the rest of us say, there is no convincing some people. That's why we still get the occasional Z28-is-coming-now thread. If some people want to lose faith in GM now, then they're ignorant to do so. No automaker in the history of the world would use a well-advertised car to gauge interest and then not produce it. If it is well-advertised, then it has lots of interest already; if it is slated for production, then it will be produced. These arguments have been posted all over the forum, and people still find a reason to be upset. We should be grateful that GM listened to us and made this car.

Maybe this is a sign that GM does care about consumers. It certainly seems as though GM listened when designing the car and letting customers drive them.

The next time someone is about to post something negative, ask yourself, "What model year is it?" After that, add one. That's right. You should be waiting another year for a Camaro anyway, so stop complaining about it being "late" when it is really 11 months early.

[Silver Streak]

Thanks for the information. It all makes good sense to me and look forward to driving my SS this summer, this is gonna be a good year!

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

No, the other dealership posted the video THEY made, I posted no video from the IDL... and it was a very short segment of a almost two hour broadcast, which had much more information.

I also said I didn't agree with what was being said, and I ALSO said in time, things would be explained in detail, and people should be patient and wait for a credible reply.

People ARE watching, and the truth does come out - in TIME!

I back that up 100%, Scotty did nothing wrong in that whole ordeal for what its worth! Thanks Scotty!

[JJ2010]

I am willing to see what happens. It is sad that many have been done so wrong by dealers and automotive companies.That when we hear this mess.We say to ourself,here we go again.I have purchased atleast 10 new vehicles with many bad experiences.I am looking for GM to step up to the plate and hit a home run.

[UCF w00t]

I think the confusion is best summed up as this...

Conti/Greg basically said that if you ordered a SS and the people in front of you are v8s and you're not in the top 1/3rd of the total allocation, it's likely that you won't get into the first allocation.

Other people said that this wasn't really true. Fbodfather later confirmed that GM will be producing more than half v8s in order to more closely match what has been ordered by enthusiasts.

[cerberus]

Thank you Scotty, TAG UR IT and everyone else that was sane for clearing this up; it was amazing to watch the board yesterday just go nuts. Man, if there is this much mis-information and rumors from a 2 hours IDL, it makes it amazing that anyone can find the Truth if the internet is involved. From viewing yesterday, I feel it just makes perfect sense what TAG UR IT says...Chevy wants/needs to sell these cars and have happy customers. Thanks again for the update.

[Memaat]

As you get closer to the delivery of those allotted cars, your going to see some shananigans (people getting bumped), or the sales manager's cousin driving around in a Camaro the looks just like the one you ordered, but got bumped. I put my order in before thanksgiving and not knowing what to expect, all I have so far is a cashiers receipt for a down payment toward a new chevy. Getting updated and correct info from my dealer is harder than pulling teeth, but who's complaining, I'd rather push my chevy than drive anything else!

Ordered: 2SS, short throw, silver stripe pkg over red jewel tint.

Update: Received the necessary paperwork from Dealer and a letter from Ed Peper.

[JJ2010]

Anytime there is a opportunity for people to take advantage of a situation like this they will.I went to my local dealer where I live and have bought cars there before to find out I was going to be there first order.I know these people, but that meant nothing to them.They told me the first Camaros would go for 10,000 over sticker.I said good bye and ordered on the 13th of Oct with MSRP in writing at another dealer.Peoples vision becomes blured when all they see is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[GTAHVIT]

If some of us just have to get hung up on the whole. "marketing survey" controversy, then please consider that Scott has said that the preorder numbers will be filled on time.

That's the end of the story. We've gotten answers to everyone of the concerns that were initially prompted by that disaster of a thread yesterday.

If you choose to ignore the latest answers to the previous concerns then I have nothing more to say to you and you are simply a Troll trying to stir the pot. I understand that there is close to 1,000 posts on the subject and we don't expect people to read all of them. At this point you either get it or you don't. I'm not going to bother re-summarizing Tags post. I guess some people just have to have something to complain about....

That's too bad, there's an awful lot to be happy about. and some people are missing out on that.

[zebra]

i just wanna say thanks to TAG, fbodfather, CamaroScotty, gtahvit, & all others who've been doing all they can to clear up all the misconceptions derived from yesterday's fiasco. granted, there was some seemingly disheartening news, but like the OP said, we're actually still getting this car much earlier than we should, so i say there's still a reason to celebrate as for the misunderstanding about the V8s, there've been numerous reassurances that the people who ordered them will get them, so there's another topic we can let go. i just think we should all be excited that GM cares enough about the customers to not release the car until they know it's gonna be right the first time. Scott mentioned last night that there were some issues that came up & they wanted to resolve them before the car came out so that we could drive & enjoy our cars rather than having them in the shop all the time. thanks GM for all you're doing!

[a6pk2go]

Wow, I've been working so much overtime at work and can't get on this site I didn't know anything even happened. I'll wait until mine comes out. I still have two GM cars in my driveway that I can drive and I'm not stupid enough to just blow this away. I have owned a couple of 69's in my life and I didn't really care for the body styles of Gen's 2-4 but this Gen 5 hits the spot.

[themossman]

To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that I would be referred to as a troll by one user...then having a moderator follow suit. Bad forum gentlemen.

Based on the posts I've seen over the past 4-5 months...Camaro Scotty seems to have his information fairly accurate, and I've come to accept his statements as fairly accurate from the vendor perspective and fbodfathers as accurate from the manufacturers perspective. And always assumed the truth fell somewhere in the middle.

I don't have an infinite amount of time to read through every single post...and Scotty posted the link to that other dealers video in his main post on the IDL thread...I did not see his later post as a disclaimer that he did not agree with what was being said...all I saw was that he linked to the video very early in his post (as I said...with chaos the quickly followed in that thread, I abandoned it) The video which was just a very quick shot of the IDL video and then the bulk of time spent with the two dealer reps telling me how a sold order does not mean a car will be delivered soon...if at all. Again...I 'assumed' since Scotty was pointing to it...it had a certain amount of credibility in his eyes.

So, I was not, am not, and will not intentionally 'stir the pot' as someone put it.

And to gtahavit and the blur, if you consider someone who has an order placed with $1k tied up as a deposit, $10k already committed for modifications, preliminary discussions occurring with shops(paint and performance), and a ridiculous amount of time invested in 'learning about and monitoring' the development of this car, a 'troll'...perhaps I misjudged quality of the membership and moderation of this forum.

[CamaroScotty]

I did NOT put that video link in that post - that was MODDED into, along with another link.

I would not put another dealers banned video in my own thread.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

I did NOT put that video link in that post - that was MODDED into, along with another link.

I would not put another dealers banned video in my own thread.

That explains quite a bit.

Perhaps it should be 'modded out'.

Those two 'gentleman' did not represent the image of you that I think you have built through your participation on the forum...