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Old 11-05-2014, 07:32 PM   #1
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New IPF procharger kit for LLT & LFX

A friend showed this and wanted to share. Looks clean and more powerful! This is from SEMA

Korkar Performance Engineering releases supercharger kit for second generation V6 Cadillac CTS

GM performance tuner releases second supercharger kit following V6 Camaro kit success

Las Vegas, NV, November 3, 2014: Korkar Performance Engineering (KPE) unveiled its supercharger kit for the second generation Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6 direct injection to onlookers at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, at its exhibitor booth (#20771). With the KPE-Supercharger system installed, the power is increased from 305 HP (stock) to 440 HP (supercharged) without sacrificing the already impressive fuel economy, reliability and while utilizing pump 91 octane fuel, or without any permanent modifications to the vehicle.

The KPE “Bolt-On” supercharger system adds over 120+ HP to both the “LLT” and “LFX” engine code V6 Cadillac CTS’s by utilizing meticulously engineered components, precisely tuned ECU calibration software from our partner, IPF Tuning and incorporating the latest generation Pro Charger C-2 centrifugal compressor. Jason Plotke, President of KPE says, “since the introduction of our Camaro V6 Supercharger kit, The CTS kits has been our most requested product and we were determined to make it happen.” He further states, “with the success of the Camaro Supercharger and our proven track record for performance, craftsmanship and reliability, we think enthusiast will enjoy the extra power available, with so many of these cars on the road and so few options to increase horsepower.”

KPE is accepting pre-orders now and consumers can expect the kit, which fits the sedan, coupe and wagon body styles, priced similarly to their Camaro V6 supercharger kit.

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Old 11-05-2014, 08:29 PM   #2
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Very interesting...
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Old 11-05-2014, 08:37 PM   #3
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I think it is the same kit from the Camaro but not 💯 sure. Maybe one of the Camaro owners can give feedback.

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The mounting bracket looks different to the naked eye, and it's a PROCharger... The current Camaro kit uses the Vortech unit!

I'm glad they are pushing forward, but I'm curious as to why they decided to change the head unit... I think you can get noisy gears in the PC, so it can be ridiculously loud which is what some people like, but I can't imagine a caddy guy going for that (the noise, not the extra power)
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Old 11-05-2014, 09:08 PM   #5
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The mounting bracket looks different to the naked eye, and it's a PROCharger... The current Camaro kit uses the Vortech unit!

I'm glad they are pushing forward, but I'm curious as to why they decided to change the head unit... I think you can get noisy gears in the PC, so it can be ridiculously loud which is what some people like, but I can't imagine a caddy guy going for that (the noise, not the extra power)
I agree it is a procharger I knew that much but didnt realize until you pointed it out. And yes the mounting seems further back as the procharger unit is seems larger.

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I agree it is a procharger I knew that much but didnt realize until you pointed it out. And yes the mounting seems further back as the procharger unit is seems larger.

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The info you posted says the kit utilizes the Procharger C2, which is listed in the sport compact section of the PC website... On the Sport compact section, the C2 reads 6-7 psi on everything listed (there), the "higher" boost (8-10) list using a C1-A or a C1-B...

The PC kits utilize a P-1SC on the 3.7 and 4.0 v6 Mustang applications for 7-9psi...

I'm just thinking to myself, the C2 was an interesting choice.
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:06 PM   #7
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Maybe a better option?! Always have heard that many prefer the procharger over the vortech on my end. Maybe ipf would chime in on this.

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Maybe a better option?! Always have heard that many prefer the procharger over the vortech on my end. Maybe ipf would chime in on this.

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Possibly... I did a lot of reading on people opinions online of Vortech vs Procharger, and I come up with that it's six of one, half dozen of the other. Just depends on which forum you go to.

I was thiiiiiis close to going with a P-1SC on my car, except I got scammed on e-smay... Then I got a stupid good deal on the TVS 1900, and decided to try my hand at a top mount.

I'm all for the procharger route, and very interested to see what IPF/KPE has to say about this kit...

I wonder if future Camaro kits will have the Procharger also???
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:55 PM   #9
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Is there much avalible for the pulley swaps on the PC? I was always baffled that you could spend all this money on a s/c kit and you where maxed out from the start on boost


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Old 11-05-2014, 11:11 PM   #10
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Is there much avalible for the pulley swaps on the PC? I was always baffled that you could spend all this money on a s/c kit and you where maxed out from the start on boost


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Uh... You can do pulley swaps on the current Vortech system, I have. You could pulley down all the way to 18 PSI before the supercharger overspins, but you will be pulling so much timing from detonation that it wouldn't be worth it. 10 is the max on 91 octane, anything more and you need either race gas or methanol injection. This engine is 11.3:1 compression ratio.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:45 AM   #11
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It would be interesting if ipf would offer 2 stages of their v6 system say the base unit with the vortech head unit and an upgraded system with the procharger. I personally would rather the procharger. I think their could be a market if a stage 2 system would make more power say 20-40 more hp I think people would pay an extra 300-500 if it would be worth it. Any thoughts?
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:47 AM   #12
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Interesting...

kpe did say they we're developing this PC kit way back when I visited their job 6 months ago.

If I remember right they we're going to offer this kit to both CTS and the Camaro market.
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Prochargers are loud unless you get the Helix gears (I think they are called).

You can put a smaller pulley without meth but your car will lose 50 HP, the heat is extreme and after a run your oil temp climbs above 250. Methanol is required for boost above 10 psi unless you lower the compression ratio.
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Old 11-06-2014, 12:41 PM   #14
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Those numbers up top mean 130hp, are you saying on a 2013 2LS with 323hp from factory, it will go to 463hp with no other mods? If so that's tempting.
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I think the Vortec has helical gears-



The teeth on helical gears are cut at an angle to the face of the gear. When two teeth on a helical gear system engage, the contact starts at one end of the tooth and gradually spreads as the gears rotate, until the two teeth are in full engagement.
This gradual engagement makes helical gears operate much more smoothly and quietly than spur gears.
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Hello all, Procharger has the correct packaging for the CTS application, the Vortech V3 has been great for us over the years with virtually zero issues. We do no have any plans to migrate the ProCharger unit over to the Camaro kit, this would require retooling and we are happy with the way the kit is performing. The main reason for the PC on the CTS is due to the fact the C2 is a more compact design that just works better for this application. Will the CTS kit fit the Camaro? There are several differences including the mounting brackets, different inter-cooler, intake tube and inter-cooler plumbing. The two kits actually do not share very many parts.

One other concern with converting to a PC from the Vortech would be price point. The PC is more expensive than the Vortech unit which drives up the production cost, thus the CTS kit is at a higher price point.
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The teeth on helical gears are cut at an angle to the face of the gear. When two teeth on a helical gear system engage, the contact starts at one end of the tooth and gradually spreads as the gears rotate, until the two teeth are in full engagement.
This gradual engagement makes helical gears operate much more smoothly and quietly than spur gears.
That is what it is called, Helical. On procharger units it is an extra $100 to get them, I've been pricing options out for the procharger kit on the Mustang V6.
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The housing behind the Procharger kinda looks like the one on their new variable ratio S/C...



Maybe...?
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Hello all, Procharger has the correct packaging for the CTS application, the Vortech V3 has been great for us over the years with virtually zero issues. We do no have any plans to migrate the ProCharger unit over to the Camaro kit, this would require retooling and we are happy with the way the kit is performing. The main reason for the PC on the CTS is due to the fact the C2 is a more compact design that just works better for this application. Will the CTS kit fit the Camaro? There are several differences including the mounting brackets, different inter-cooler, intake tube and inter-cooler plumbing. The two kits actually do not share very many parts.

One other concern with converting to a PC from the Vortech would be price point. The PC is more expensive than the Vortech unit which drives up the production cost, thus the CTS kit is at a higher price point.
Thanks for coming in and clearing things up. True but sad, the CTS crowd is more willing to spend $$. I know a few CTS V6 owners that are big spenders.

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Thanks for coming in and clearing things up. True but sad, the CTS crowd is more willing to spend $$. I know a few CTS V6 owners that are big spenders.

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Cheaper on the Camaro side to upgrade to a SS model instead of forking over the money for a supercharger. How much is the price difference between the V6 and V8 on the CTS side?
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The housing behind the Procharger kinda looks like the one on their new variable ratio S/C...



Maybe...?
That new iprocharger is awesome

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It's good to see KPE and IPF tuning are still in the game and producing high quality products- even if this particular one won't apply to the Camaro.

Keep up the good work guys!
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Cheaper on the Camaro side to upgrade to a SS model instead of forking over the money for a supercharger. How much is the price difference between the V6 and V8 on the CTS side?
2011 CTS went for around $20-$25k with the CTS-V at around $38-$50k

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Cheaper on the Camaro side to upgrade to a SS model instead of forking over the money for a supercharger. How much is the price difference between the V6 and V8 on the CTS side?
Its a much larger spread on the vehicle cost for the CTS to jump from an LLT/LFX 3.6L to a LSA 6.2L. The Camaro has the SS which fills that gap before you hit the ZL-1. Not to mention the silver wagon is my car
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It's good to see KPE and IPF tuning are still in the game and producing high quality products- even if this particular one won't apply to the Camaro.

Keep up the good work guys!
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