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Old 05-23-2011, 09:29 AM   #126
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Just an observation

Well, when i started my project I looked at some documentation about the fueling system for our cars. I found two different estimates of the capacity -- 500 HP and 550 HP. I think with the results Z, Orange5thGen and I have had, it appears to be 500 HP. The questions now becomes whether it is the low-pressure (in-tank) pump and volume or is it the high-pressure (cam driven) pump. Tracy and I are going start by looking at the volume issue. Anyone else got ideas?
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:38 AM   #127
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I think your onto something there with the tank. Everything else should keep up with fuel flow. I have wondered the same myself, but no one has really looked into that. Then again gm never planned on putting 500 ponies through a v6.
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Well IPS has the gages installed and testing the fuel system in the morning to make the determination, per Jeff on the fuel flow.....
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Well IPS has the gages installed and testing the fuel system in the morning to make the determination, per Jeff on the fuel flow.....
Cool! I've left messages with ZZ Performance and PT Performance to see if either can help with a HPFP solution. The symptoms sound a light like what the Cobalts and Mazda Speed 3s experienced. Evidently it isn't the pressure so much as the volume drops off in the mid range because it is mechanical. I saw a right up of why. Vince did the same thing others have tried, namely turning up the pressure and widening the pulse down low and that just ran into problems up high. Of course you saw what happen with yours. I've got a few other ideas if Jeff doesn't come up with anything. Good luck man, I want to see 500 RWHP out of your car!
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Old 05-31-2011, 08:07 PM   #130
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Cool! I've left messages with ZZ Performance and PT Performance to see if either can help with a HPFP solution. The symptoms sound a light like what the Cobalts and Mazda Speed 3s experienced. Evidently it isn't the pressure so much as the volume drops off in the mid range because it is mechanical. I saw a right up of why. Vince did the same thing others have tried, namely turning up the pressure and widening the pulse down low and that just ran into problems up high. Of course you saw what happen with yours. I've got a few other ideas if Jeff doesn't come up with anything. Good luck man, I want to see 500 RWHP out of your car!
I want to see 450 reliable HP but if I can get 500RWHP I'm going to do it as long as I don't nuke my engine ......
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I want to see 450 reliable HP but if I can get 500RWHP I'm going to do it as long as I don't nuke my engine ......
Dude, if he solves the fuel problem I don't think he's going to do it for a measly 20-30 HP. Come on, be the first to find the weak link.

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Old 06-01-2011, 05:00 AM   #132
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Dude, if he solves the fuel problem I don't think he's going to do it for a measly 20-30 HP. Common, be the first to find the weak link.

Well, piston landing is going to be a weak point but maybe ok as long as there is no detonation... but when you start pushing close to 500 RWHP, my guess is the rod bolts will let go... that is my guess of the day! LOL
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Well, piston landing is going to be a weak point but maybe ok as long as there is no detonation... but when you start pushing close to 500 RWHP, my guess is the rod bolts will let go... that is my guess of the day! LOL
Agree that it will be getting risky at those levels. That's why we are starting on Phase 2 (see the other site). Custom forged pistons to lower the CR, new rods and bolts plus some other goodies

Still have to solve this fueling issue, but I think we are close.
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:42 AM   #134
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Dude, if he solves the fuel problem I don't think he's going to do it for a measly 20-30 HP. Common, be the first to find the weak link.



my goal is 650 at the crank give or take.. lets see what she can do!
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:50 AM   #135
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Agree that it will be getting risky at those levels. That's why we are starting on Phase 2 (see the other site). Custom forged pistons to lower the CR, new rods and bolts plus some other goodies

Still have to solve this fueling issue, but I think we are close.

o0o0o0o0o Glad to hear my man.

So was SC1720(im sorry, I forgot his exact forum name) able to offer up any ideas? He was the one who finished your install, so I was just curious.

Im actually going to be talking to Impressive Rides in Tampa tomorrow. They are looking at doing turbo v6 shop car, so I thought I would run them by SC1720 when I sat down with them. Impressive is the one who is doing my MRT install...
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o0o0o0o0o Glad to hear my man.

So was SC1720(im sorry, I forgot his exact forum name) able to offer up any ideas? He was the one who finished your install, so I was just curious.

Im actually going to be talking to Impressive Rides in Tampa tomorrow. They are looking at doing turbo v6 shop car, so I thought I would run them by SC1720 when I sat down with them. Impressive is the one who is doing my MRT install...
Yes, SC2150 (Tracy) has been involved all along. He's got several ideas and is just waiting on my car to get back to him to test them out. It should ship out of LR on 6/10 or 6/11.

PM him and I'm sure he'd love to talk to you and show you his new shop.
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have nitrous...
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Added you and Camaro-21. Post up any additional information you have (kit maker, hp, track times, etc...)
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mines a NX kit (75 shot)
havent got on the dyno yet because i need to find someone to tune me and there are no trifecta tuners around... i dont wana do it myself, just dont feel comfortable with that
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havent got on the dyno yet because i need to find someone to tune me and there are no trifecta tuners around... i dont wana do it myself, just dont feel comfortable with that
Isn't a big deal at all. Vince emails you the tune. You follow step by step program instructions. Datalog a few, and send back. Mine didn't need any adjusting at all. You just tell him all mods you are dealing with, and he does the rest.
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Isn't a big deal at all. Vince emails you the tune. You follow step by step program instructions. Datalog a few, and send back. Mine didn't need any adjusting at all. You just tell him all mods you are dealing with, and he does the rest.
Sorry I missed you Jeff, but it's fixed now.
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Sorry I missed you Jeff, but it's fixed now.
O, nice. I wasn't worried. Once I can figure out how to get past this manual tranny grind, I will make a contribution to the list. Gonna play with that 150 shot too, but I'm getting just alittle hesitation that is gnawing on me with that throttle body, when i mash the gas. Don't want a puddle! Thanks for looking out Gretch.
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O, nice. I wasn't worried. Once I can figure out how to get past this manual tranny grind, I will make a contribution to the list. Gonna play with that 150 shot too, but I'm getting just alittle hesitation that is gnawing on me with that throttle body, when i mash the gas. Don't want a puddle! Thanks for looking out Gretch.
Have you tried swapping to Royal Purple. I think some have said that helped. I'm guessing at your power level you may need to upgrade the clutch/pressure plate, but who knows???
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Have you tried swapping to Royal Purple. I think some have said that helped. I'm guessing at your power level you may need to upgrade the clutch/pressure plate, but who knows???
Ya, royal purple in the tranny and rear end. Would love to see an aftermarket clutch come out. Just havent seen anything yet.
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Those #s from Camaro-21 are sweet.. 415hp and 408tq! How are you feeding that 10lbs of boost? And who's handling the tune? Seems the fuel issue isn't quite solved yet, but you are doing something right.
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Those #s from Camaro-21 are sweet.. 415hp and 408tq! How are you feeding that 10lbs of boost? And who's handling the tune? Seems the fuel issue isn't quite solved yet, but you are doing something right.
Sustaining 10 psi is amazing. The twins flow more total CFM than the single, so we can't do that, but Tracy will be doing 6 psi with meth and see if we can sustain that. That should yeild us right around 400. I think Orange5thGen is right there too.

Vince is tuning for all of us. We haven't got the new fuel pump yet, but we keep looking. IPS is going to be trying some options with Orange5thGen's car and Tracy is trying to get a BMW pump for mine. One of is going to figure it out and then we'll start seeing some really nice HP numbers.

Right now though, Tracy's working on getting my car to hook up really well and is going to put the torque converter in soon. We want to make sure we are getting as much out of the basic stuff before we start engine work.
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Isn't a big deal at all. Vince emails you the tune. You follow step by step program instructions. Datalog a few, and send back. Mine didn't need any adjusting at all. You just tell him all mods you are dealing with, and he does the rest.
How much is it for that?
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How much is it for that?
I believe it was $400 for the tune, and then depending on if you buy the cable or not, was more. I opted to buy the cable for $200. The tune fee, came with a nitrous tune , and a tune for the rest of the mods, without running the nitrous. Nitrous tunes retard the timing, and the other advances. I switched back and forth for a while, but now just keep the nitrous tune loaded. Worth the money, when your shot gets alittle bigger. You dont want to hit that on top dead center to much.
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Sustaining 10 psi is amazing. The twins flow more total CFM than the single, so we can't do that, but Tracy will be doing 6 psi with meth and see if we can sustain that. That should yeild us right around 400. I think Orange5thGen is right there too.

Vince is tuning for all of us. We haven't got the new fuel pump yet, but we keep looking. IPS is going to be trying some options with Orange5thGen's car and Tracy is trying to get a BMW pump for mine. One of is going to figure it out and then we'll start seeing some really nice HP numbers.

Right now though, Tracy's working on getting my car to hook up really well and is going to put the torque converter in soon. We want to make sure we are getting as much out of the basic stuff before we start engine work.
Awesome... I would love to see a sequential system built. That would be a good system, but i fear, I will move on, before that time comes.
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Awesome... I would love to see a sequential system built. That would be a good system, but i fear, I will move on, before that time comes.
Borg Warner is making one that looks like it will fit laterally behind the tranny on the A6. I'd like to get hold of one and see what it would look like down there. If not, you could always mount it remotely or move the washer bottle and do an engine bay mount.
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