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Old 01-12-2009, 05:28 PM   #1
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GMS,etc Status on Camaro?!

Allocations we know are controlled for the launch pretty much the first year of Camaro.

Good question has come up about GM employee, dealership employee, GM supplier purchase opportunities. In years past GM would not even allow such a purchase on launch vehicles until production was moving full steam ahead.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE: full dealer discretion on these programs, but those authorization numbers will be allowed if a dealer so chooses… I think we know the answer to that for a while, but nice to hear GM is not blocking them.

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Old 01-12-2009, 06:25 PM   #3
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Can you explain to "us" once and for all how GMS/GMU affects your profit on the vehicle? My understanding is that you're basically "out" the profit between the discounted price (assuming you accept it) and what you could have sold the vehicle to someone like me (without discount) for. Is that correct or does GM rebate you any of the difference?
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Can you explain to "us" once and for all how GMS/GMU affects your profit on the vehicle? My understanding is that you're basically "out" the profit between the discounted price (assuming you accept it) and what you could have sold the vehicle to someone like me (without discount) for. Is that correct or does GM rebate you any of the difference?
Yes, the profit lost is as you state it. GM doesn't rebate any money to the dealer between list and invoice.
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Can you explain to "us" once and for all how GMS/GMU affects your profit on the vehicle? My understanding is that you're basically "out" the profit between the discounted price (assuming you accept it) and what you could have sold the vehicle to someone like me (without discount) for. Is that correct or does GM rebate you any of the difference?
I just addressed this in another thread. If you do qualify for GMS (GM Employee) the dealer does get reimbursed a small amount from GM. GMS would be about half the profit of selling at MSRP. On Supplier, there is a formula that is calculated and it is still even less than GMS. GSU (Supplier) only makes a couple hundred dollars. There is no set dealer profit. It depends on the price of the car.

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All of the new invoices show the amount that the dealer gets reimbursed for GSU (supplier) sales as well as the amount for GMS (employee) sales. Most of the time it brings the dealer back to making only the holdback. But that pays for interest, the lights, the office staff, etc.
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All of the new invoices show the amount that the dealer gets reimbursed for GSU (supplier) sales as well as the amount for GMS (employee) sales. Most of the time it brings the dealer back to making only the holdback. But that pays for interest, the lights, the office staff, etc.
The Supplier and Employee prices are printed on the invoice. The GMS profit is on there but Supplier is calculated by a formula. You are right about the profit though, not much.
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I'm glad I went through the trouble of getting a dealer to agree to honoring any applicable discounts/incentives. I think the only reason they did was because they thought GM wasn't going to do it. Let's just hope they don't try and screw me over.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:53 PM   #9
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I'm glad I went through the trouble of getting a dealer to agree to honoring any applicable discounts/incentives. I think the only reason they did was because they thought GM wasn't going to do it. Let's just hope they don't try and screw me over.
I was able to get the same deal in writing after walking away from the dealership on the first visit. The dealer was so confident that GM would not offer any incentives. I am glad that I stuck to my instincts and did not listen to them. But those few days waiting for the dealer call back was a little nerve racking.
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So if we had an MSRP price, what is the formula to figure out the Supplier price?
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:03 PM   #11
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So if we had an MSRP price, what is the formula to figure out the Supplier price?
If you qualify for Supplier and the dealer chooses to accept Supplier pricing, it'll be printed on the invoice. The formual is for calculating dealer profit not for figuring Supplier price.
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If you qualify for Supplier and the dealer chooses to accept Supplier pricing, it'll be printed on the invoice. The formual is for calculating dealer profit not for figuring Supplier price.
I do qualify for Supplier pricing and have it in writing from my dealership that they will accept it. Should they be able to tell me my final price now or do they have to wait until the order is placed and that's when they'll receive an invoice?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for taking the time.
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:25 PM   #13
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I do qualify for Supplier pricing and have it in writing from my dealership that they will accept it. Should they be able to tell me my final price now or do they have to wait until the order is placed and that's when they'll receive an invoice?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for taking the time.
It will be printed on the invoice. Also, they can print the price sheet from GM Dealer World and it has Supplier Pricing on it.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:07 AM   #14
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The Supplier and Employee prices are printed on the invoice. The GMS profit is on there but Supplier is calculated by a formula. You are right about the profit though, not much.
In case you haven't noticed, the Supplier money back to the dealer is printed on the right side of the invoice below the memo amount. It makes it easier than figuring out that silly formula.

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Camaro Greg...I'm not so much concerned with allocation now but can you guys keep us updated on Consensus??..I understand that Gm will tell you what they are building this week or month whatever..and if a dealer has that as an order he can put it in to be pulled ect. (if thats correct)..but will you be able to fill us in or is that a NO NO..per GM? I know its off topic but I am curious...Thanks
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:00 PM   #16
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BTW - I just got confirmation from my dealership that they will offer GMS on all 2010 camaros if you are eligible......YEA HAW...Let the competition begin. There is no reason why a dealership should not offer it if they truelly put their customers first. The sales person I have been dealing with has been up front and honest with me since I ordered in October and the Dealership has come thru again. Yes I got it in writing

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All 2010 Chevy Camaro's will be eligible for GMS pricing


Al Serra Auto Plaza in Grand Blanc MI - they still have about 11 preorders left in the 38 allocations. They also indicated they will not sell for over MSRP for those that are not eligible. This when I first ordered the car and they were unsure if GM would offer GMS.

www.Alserra.com

and - If you do call them ask for Gregg Winnie. He is a straight shooter and if he does not know, he will tell you and get back with you.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:33 PM   #17
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I have good friends in Kazoo - they want to drive my camaro when it comes in.....I will tell them to get their own and go see you

Another Outstanding dealership stepping to plate in hard times.
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:27 PM   #18
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Allocations we know are controlled for the launch pretty much the first year of Camaro.

Good question has come up about GM employee, dealership employee, GM supplier purchase opportunities. In years past GM would not even allow such a purchase on launch vehicles until production was moving full steam ahead.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE: full dealer discretion on these programs, but those authorization numbers will be allowed if a dealer so chooses… I think we know the answer to that for a while, but nice to hear GM is not blocking them.

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obviously you dont.... my dealer is offering it right off the bat as well as many others.


only reason why you wouldn't want to is so you can gouge your potential customers a bit more.


nice attitude. you and your partner are the epitomy of what a dealer should not be like.
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good info to know
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see the thread below as well if you have not already

I know some dealerships have to do what they think they need to do but at the cost of not getting or losing some customers????? hardley seems worth the extra $$$$$ when you look at repeat business.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11744
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Nothing is ever good enough. If dealers offer over MSRP, people say they will line up at MSRP. If the dealer offers MSRP, now people will line up for invoice/supplier. If offered at invoice/supplier, now that's not good enough and now it has to be GMS. Yeesh! Just order your car and enjoy the experience. It doesn't have to be that tough to buy a car. Some people are never satisfied.
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Nothing is ever good enough. If dealers offer over MSRP, people say they will line up at MSRP. If the dealer offers MSRP, now people will line up for invoice/supplier. If offered at invoice/supplier, now that's not good enough and now it has to be GMS. Yeesh! Just order your car and enjoy the experience. It doesn't have to be that tough to buy a car. Some people are never satisfied.
I see your point but is it not worth putting in a little extra effort to save a few thousand dollars? Depends on the person I guess but for me it is. It took me some calling around and sweet talking to get it done but I was able to convince a dealer to agree to honor incentives.
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Nothing is ever good enough. If dealers offer over MSRP, people say they will line up at MSRP. If the dealer offers MSRP, now people will line up for invoice/supplier. If offered at invoice/supplier, now that's not good enough and now it has to be GMS. Yeesh! Just order your car and enjoy the experience. It doesn't have to be that tough to buy a car. Some people are never satisfied.
You could just always sell them at invoice and I GUARANTEE you 99% of the people will be happy. That clears up 99% of your headaches.
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You could just always sell them at invoice and I GUARANTEE you 99% of the people will be happy. That clears up 99% of your headaches.
I can say for a fact that that is not true. As an internet Saleman and everyone having the info at their fingertips, almost nobody is happy with "Ok, come in and buy x at invoice plus all applicable rebates and lets wrap this up!"

Nope, got go for that extra $50 or $100 everytime and "Shop around for the best deal".. I think profit is a bad word! People should just put a couple Million into a dealership so they can buy as many at dealer cost as they want.
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You could just always sell them at invoice and I GUARANTEE you 99% of the people will be happy. That clears up 99% of your headaches.
That's exactly my point. Right now the majority of dealers are offering MSRP. So the talk is now who is offering for less. So if they all offered at invoice, the next conversation would be how much below. I think if you are on a list and on the first few orders, you are getting a deal just by getting the car in the first place. Hopefully it is at MSRP.

It's happening with Corvettes now (yes they are a little stale). There are dealers that are offering GMS without authorization numbers. Dealers are desperate to unload inventory and i guess that's why.

My point is, buying a new car should be a pleasurable, no hassle experience. It seems the consensus on this forum is that most salespeople and dealers know less than the Camaro "experts" here. I'd like to know what all of these experts do for a living and what it must be like to be perfect in every way at their jobs. You go to a Chevy dealer to order the car. The dealer gets little or no help from GM prior to any announcement. So you ask the dealer a question and he doesn't know the answer and he's an idiot?? He can only use what he is given by his manufacturer. Why must everyone make a salepersons life miserable? The car is available to order. The price is at MSRP. Just order the friggin' car! My dealer was given 9 orders to work with. They took 14 deposits at MSRP. The last 5 people know they are not part of the first 9. The system will work the way it is intended. If your Camaro is buildable within constraints, it will get placed as per your priority. If it is not buildable, the dealer will call them if they want to make a change to get it in line with the constraints. If no, that order will get passed and the next one in line goes.

Bottom line is the dealer you ordered from needs to be trusted that they can manage the orders they've taken. If you don't feel comfortable about your dealer's process or reputation, I suggest you get your money back and go to someone who knows what they're doing.

There are dealers out there who only had 10-20 Camaros and they took 50-75 deposits. Someone out there is gonna get screwed or be very disappointed.

Don't forget, this forum represents a very small snapshot of people who ordered Camaros. Out of the 14 orders my delaer took, only two of those people even knew this forum existed.

I'm out of breath and sorry for the rant.

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