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Old 01-23-2010, 02:30 AM   #86
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v8 Muscle Car
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Old 01-23-2010, 03:54 AM   #87
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:04 AM   #88
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Wow. After reading all of this debate, I sought clarification; Here are some definitions I unearthed on Wikipedia (not the Bible, but a readily available reference).

Muscle Car. Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles.[1][2] At its most widely accepted the term refers to American 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size cars of the late 1960s and early 1970s equipped with large, powerful V8s and sold at an affordable price for street use and drag racing, formally and informally.[3][4][5][6]
As such, they are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing.

In this category the following cars are listed: AMX, Chevelle, Charger, Torino, Montego, 442, Road Runner, and GTO.

Now ... the Pony Car. Pony car is an American class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964.[1] [2] The term describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image. "It was small by Detroit standards, with sporty styling... [a]nd the rear wheels were driven by an engine — ideally a big V8 — mounted up front..."[3] Pony cars were "relatively small, relatively light and often absurdly powerful.

In this category the following cars are listed: Javelin, Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Cougar, Barracuda, and Firebird.

I will go ahead and place a blindfold on because I realize the messenger is always shot. Have fun with this.
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:37 AM   #89
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That's how I understood it.

Kinda like this----


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Old 01-23-2010, 10:52 AM   #90
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Tactical Z: I believe that beautiful 442 would meet the definition.
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:57 AM   #91
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Wow. After reading all of this debate, I sought clarification; Here are some definitions I unearthed on Wikipedia (not the Bible, but a readily available reference).

Muscle Car. Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles.[1][2] At its most widely accepted the term refers to American 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size cars of the late 1960s and early 1970s equipped with large, powerful V8s and sold at an affordable price for street use and drag racing, formally and informally.[3][4][5][6]
As such, they are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing.

In this category the following cars are listed: AMX, Chevelle, Charger, Torino, Montego, 442, Road Runner, and GTO.

Now ... the Pony Car. Pony car is an American class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964.[1] [2] The term describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image. "It was small by Detroit standards, with sporty styling... [a]nd the rear wheels were driven by an engine — ideally a big V8 — mounted up front..."[3] Pony cars were "relatively small, relatively light and often absurdly powerful.

In this category the following cars are listed: Javelin, Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Cougar, Barracuda, and Firebird.

I will go ahead and place a blindfold on because I realize the messenger is always shot. Have fun with this.
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:02 AM   #92
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Tactical Z: I believe that beautiful 442 would meet the definition.
Sorry...

*Beautiful Oldsmobile 442
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:03 AM   #93
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Beautiful car.
Thanks! She doesn't see much road time now the Camaro is here. But, MAN...... when you kick in the other 2 carbs, just try to stop smiling. Bet you can't.
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:18 AM   #94
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Thanks! She doesn't see much road time now the Camaro is here. But, MAN...... when you kick in the other 2 carbs, just try to stop smiling. Bet you can't.
Does it have the W-30 package? (scoops under the front bumper)?
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:50 AM   #95
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Not a factory w-30.
Was a 4speed / 400ci car, still has the peddles, but replaced it with a TH400, shift kit, 2600 stall, His/Her Hurst shifter going to the 12 bolt posi. The intake is a 1966 L69 tri-power with powder coated carb sitting on a '69 Toronado 455 high compression motor. Now if I could get some traction. More than the 295 Firehawk's can handle.


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Damn torque =p
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:25 AM   #97
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A muscle car is a fast car that has sufficient handling to head back and make another pass at the drag strip. So for the most part I don't consider Camaro's to be muscle cars.
I still stand by this 'functional' definition
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:55 AM   #98
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For 30K+, it's whatever you damn well want to call it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:14 PM   #99
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Muscle car has nothing to do with age, its a purpose. Cars built with v8's with performance at the top of the list of attributes are muscle cars.
My opinion...I think you could definately call the new Camaro SS a Muscle Car at slightly better than 420 hp.
2010 Camaro 300 hp v6..sports car.

What is really a joke is when people call plain jane cars muscle cars.
For example, a 1969 Camaro that came with a 307 is not a muscle car.
Muscle car means "factory" not a transplanted or altered.
Conversely, a 69 Camaro SS 350 is a muscle car. A 70 Chevelle with a 350 is not a muscle car, a 70 Chevelle SS 396 is a muscle car. A 340 Dart, muscle car. 318 dart not a muscle car. 69 cougar eliminator 428 = muscle, 69 cougar 302 2bbl nope.

2008 mustang GT, sports car, not a muscle car, 2008 Shelby = muscle car. Viper = c@ck extension.
I'm not sure I fully understand your "logic."
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:16 PM   #100
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Wow. After reading all of this debate, I sought clarification; Here are some definitions I unearthed on Wikipedia (not the Bible, but a readily available reference).

Muscle Car. Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles.[1][2] At its most widely accepted the term refers to American 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size cars of the late 1960s and early 1970s equipped with large, powerful V8s and sold at an affordable price for street use and drag racing, formally and informally.[3][4][5][6]
As such, they are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing.

In this category the following cars are listed: AMX, Chevelle, Charger, Torino, Montego, 442, Road Runner, and GTO.

Now ... the Pony Car. Pony car is an American class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964.[1] [2] The term describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image. "It was small by Detroit standards, with sporty styling... [a]nd the rear wheels were driven by an engine — ideally a big V8 — mounted up front..."[3] Pony cars were "relatively small, relatively light and often absurdly powerful.

In this category the following cars are listed: Javelin, Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Cougar, Barracuda, and Firebird.

I will go ahead and place a blindfold on because I realize the messenger is always shot. Have fun with this.
Now, this I understand!
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:23 PM   #101
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fwiw, I think the modern Camaro most closely fits the role of Grand Tourer...

It's too well of a performer...too refined to still be considered a pony car....imo.
Maybe for the sake of heritage it can be called that...
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