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Old 11-22-2010, 02:04 PM   #1
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Question TVS2300 set-up question(s)

After dismissing my plans on going with a n/a setup, I eventually figured out what to do (almost): FI!

The set-up is gonna look like below, target is 550-600rwhp on a 2010 LS3

- TVS2300 (SLP575 Stage1 Package)
- 3.6 Pulley
- MSD Fuel Booster (#2351)
- Kooks 1 7/8 LTs w/ cats
- Volant CAI (already installed)
- SLP LMII Axle-Back (already installed)
- Noweeds (already installed)
- Custome Tune on the above
- LPE ZR1 Twin Disc Clutch (if the stocker calls it a day...)

At a later stage I'm leaning into getting a blower cam and maybe ported heads, but that's the future...

The thing I'm completely uncertain about is the Fuel System in general, or more precisely the Injectors.

Would new injectors be required for such a set-up, as I don't want to end up screwing the engine running to lean?
Together with the MSD, what injectors should I be looking for?

Trying to stay on the "reasonable" side of budgeting, so 800$ max should be the ballpark for the MSD and some adequate injectors...

Anything else I might have forgotten on the above set-up?
Any help out there?

Thanks guys!
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:26 PM   #2
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If u go with tvs2300 the kit comes with new larger injectors, so yes injectors need to be upgraded with any FI setup. Eventually u will also need an upgraded fuel pump as well once u do cam and heads.
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:17 PM   #3
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We have done a couple of similar builds here but without the camshaft I think you will be in the range of 500 horsepower to the tires. As far as injectors etc goes. Your build setup should be fine for now.
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:25 PM   #4
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Thanks so far!

Right, let's ignore the cam option for now, as this will be taken care of somewhate later

Does anyone know the specs of the injectors that come along with the SLP Stage1 package?

As far as the 3.6 pulley option is concerned, would it be necessary to upgrade the injectors? The MSD Booster will be installed right away...

500rwhp sound pretty low to me, given the pulley and LTs... do I need to be worried?
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:49 PM   #5
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Long tube kooks 1-7/8
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60# inj

501rwhp on an auto. Some other shops say their dyno would only show 450-475rwhp so if that is the case the manual would range 475-525rwhp on the above setup. As for cam I say 600rwhp will be easily acheivalbe but you are probably going to want an in tank fuel supply and larger injecters at that point.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:43 PM   #6
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Our TVS2300 system comes with ZR1/LS9 injectors which are 52lb/hour @ 58psi 4BAR. These can obviously handle 630+ crank HP...
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:02 PM   #7
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Our TVS2300 system comes with ZR1/LS9 injectors which are 52lb/hour @ 58psi 4BAR. These can obviously handle 630+ crank HP...
Thanks Jessika for chiming in

Would those 52lb/h injectors be sufficient in combination with a 3.6 pulley/MSD Fuel boost/LTs set-up or would recommend upgrading?
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:56 PM   #8
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After dismissing my plans on going with a n/a setup, I eventually figured out what to do (almost): FI!

The set-up is gonna look like below, target is 550-600rwhp on a 2010 LS3

- TVS2300 (SLP575 Stage1 Package)
- 3.6 Pulley
- MSD Fuel Booster (#2351)
- Kooks 1 7/8 LTs w/ cats
- Volant CAI (already installed)
- SLP LMII Axle-Back (already installed)
- Noweeds (already installed)
- Custome Tune on the above
- LPE ZR1 Twin Disc Clutch (if the stocker calls it a day...)

At a later stage I'm leaning into getting a blower cam and maybe ported heads, but that's the future...

The thing I'm completely uncertain about is the Fuel System in general, or more precisely the Injectors.

Would new injectors be required for such a set-up, as I don't want to end up screwing the engine running to lean?
Together with the MSD, what injectors should I be looking for?

Trying to stay on the "reasonable" side of budgeting, so 800$ max should be the ballpark for the MSD and some adequate injectors...

Anything else I might have forgotten on the above set-up?
Any help out there?

Thanks guys!

On the LS3 you'll be damn close to 550 rwhp. The Airraid may hold back a few. I've seen that exact same setup, put the ADM in place of the Airraid, make 560 rwhp time and time again by Jannetty Racing. Check some of his post about them from last Sept/Oct 09. That set-up will get 500 rwhp on an auto and prob 550 rwhp on the M6. Gd luck!!
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:59 PM   #9
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Thanks Jessika for chiming in

Would those 52lb/h injectors be sufficient in combination with a 3.6 pulley/MSD Fuel boost/LTs set-up or would recommend upgrading?
My guess is that they would be just fine, but in all reality, your tuner will have to answer that one.
Since the ZR1 runs 630+ crank HP, I am sure that these injectors will support you just fine.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:22 PM   #10
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I have the slp 575 tvs 2300 with rotofab cai, kooks 1 7/8 long tubes high flow cats and comp cat back muffler delete. East coast supercharging prof tune and I am at 550 rwhp and 525 ft lbs torque. This car driven as an every day car for my wife solid and dependable. Mpg 18-21 city/ hwy on 93 octaine. Solid setup and extreamly fun to install.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:49 PM   #11
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Looks like I'm gonna stick with those injectors for now and upgrade as soon as the cam is on the agenda. Thanks for for the support!!

What engine oil and spark plugs would you guys suggest to put in?

As far as plugs are concerned I thought about getting some NGK4177, but I'n not sure about the oil
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:52 PM   #12
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Our recommendation is with a stock engine & stock pulley -- keep the stock plugs and use the recommended oil weight that GM suggests.
There is a lot of talk of dropping one degree on the plugs, but we do not have a recommendation on that.
That being said, I have dropped my pulley from a 3.3 (stock) to a 3.1 and am still running my stock plugs & 'stock' 5w30 mobil1
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:04 PM   #13
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Our recommendation is with a stock engine & stock pulley -- keep the stock plugs and use the recommended oil weight that GM suggests.
There is a lot of talk of dropping one degree on the plugs, but we do not have a recommendation on that.
That being said, I have dropped my pulley from a 3.3 (stock) to a 3.1 and am still running my stock plugs & 'stock' 5w30 mobil1

Great support here, thx!

Your recommendations would be applicable for the TVS2300 as well I'd guess, as your's is a 1900 build, right?
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Thanks!!

and Yup. A 1lb boost gain is still a 1lb boost gain
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Thanks!!

and Yup. A 1lb boost gain is still a 1lb boost gain
cunning thought

Oil-wise:
My issue is (actually not an issue, I'm lovin it) the car will be running on the German Autobahn at speeds around and above 150mph, some times far more than that, and temps in summer raise above 95F quite frequently...

Just wanna make sure the oil does what it is supposed to do at the resulting temps, without (not yet) adding an extra oil-cooler....
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Might want to also look at upgrading your brakes as well as suspension. Since you live in Germany and driving at those speeds.

I lived there back in the 90's and had a twin turbo RX7. The car would fly but I had to upgrade the suspension and brakes. It got a little loose when going above 175. Once the suspension and brakes were upgraded it was fine.
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Oh how awesome that must be. Ive only gotten my car up to the 150mph range a few times since its just 'slightly' illegal (LOL)

I would check with a performance shop that deals with autobahn set up cars just to be sure. The 95 degree weather shouldnt be a problem, but the sustained high speeds (and probably RPMS) may. I am totally curious though, so if you do get a answer -- please post it!
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Biggest thing I miss about Germany is people knowing what the left lane is used for PASSING! Here in the US you have people cruising the speed limit without a care in the world what the left lane is there for in the first place.
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Old 11-23-2010, 02:11 PM   #19
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Life is unfair

you guys have the right cars, and we the laws to drive them... damn...

I'll get back to you as soon as some infos are coming along from here!

Unfortunately we don't have too much FIed Camaros around here - not yet
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Biggest thing I miss about Germany is people knowing what the left lane is used for PASSING! Here in the US you have people cruising the speed limit without a care in the world what the left lane is there for in the first place.
Trust me, we have more than enough bright-sparked jacka??es around here ignoring this left lane thing - guess that's why I am loving my Brembos!!!

Anyway: anybody who could chime in on constant high speeds&temps and the adequate oil tha goes along with it?

The oil cooler option is the 2nd option for now...
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Life is unfair

you guys have the right cars, and we the laws to drive them... damn...

I'll get back to you as soon as some infos are coming along from here!

Unfortunately we don't have too much FIed Camaros around here - not yet
Don't know about that there were some hot European cars built for the Autobahn. It is pretty impressive when you are passed like your not moving when your speedo is between 175 and 185.
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Right... almost sorted, thanks for the support so far
the "Oil question" seems like I just gotta figure out by myself though....

Holy mother, I wished it wouldn't be such a pita to find the right vendors willing to ship all the bits and pieces across the pond
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Thanks for chiming in, but just a tad too late I guess... as I've already considered going with you guys

Could you PN me on a price for 2 sets of the SC version?
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We are happy to ship worldwide...
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