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Old 08-04-2009, 12:35 AM   #51
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Only in America do people think they need an F-350 to two a tiny little load. The problem is, for a long time we've had so much that we never felt the need to match the execution with our needs. That's why cars in America won't have nearly the tow-rating their counterparts abroad do. The manufacturers know no one will use the product to tow but instead will get the biggest truck they possibly can, so they have no incentive to produce meaningful tow ratings. The only thing that concerns me then is the liability issue. Sure it physically can, but if it legally "can't", then liability could come back to bite you hard.

Fortunately, I was looking at the new Equinox to replace our Taurus wagon in a few years (shame there are so few good wagons out there, much better than an SUV or CUV) and V6 models can be equipped with a tow package from the factory rated to 5,200 lbs. That's more than enough to tow a tent-trailer or a couple wave-runners. (Clue I'm not a typical overkilling American - I'd prefer to camp in at most a small tent trailer rather than an RV.)
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:43 AM   #52
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screw it thats what the warranty is for right lol
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:12 AM   #53
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Me thinks you need a trailer for your ro' me reckons...

or this...

http://www.trailersforless.com/pace_stackers.html
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:51 AM   #54
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It has higher clearance than the cats and the leading edges of the mufflers.
Camaro Lives On's point stands, though; your cats and mufflers don't encounter parking blocks or "angle of attack" issues as your car transitions from flat to hill. Well, maybe the mufflers...

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It is a Class I. [1-1/4" receiver 2000lbs max tow wt 200lbs max tongue wt]
It is also clearly marked "Do not exceed tow vehicle ratings."
Looks like I have to recalibrate my eyes, then...I thought I was looking at a 2" receiver and fat tubes. D'oh!

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Only in America do people think they need an F-350 to two a tiny little load. The problem is, for a long time we've had so much that we never felt the need to match the execution with our needs. That's why cars in America won't have nearly the tow-rating their counterparts abroad do. The manufacturers know no one will use the product to tow but instead will get the biggest truck they possibly can, so they have no incentive to produce meaningful tow ratings.
Additionally, though, in Europe the drivers are trained better (and IIRC they are required to be certified specifically for towing).

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The only thing that concerns me then is the liability issue. Sure it physically can, but if it legally "can't", then liability could come back to bite you hard.
That, and possibly if you're concerned about the warranty. They could blame transmission failures on exceeding the rated towing capacity.
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Ok since you necro's rezed this thread then make yourself useful and find out if anyone has a trailer hitch kit for the 5th Gen Automatic Camaro yet.

There is that one picture of a CTF pulling a trailer. I know you can buy the kits for Vette so.
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Vash, scroll back and look at the necropost that resurrected this thread. The answer to your question is there. Post #35.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:59 PM   #57
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Ok since you necro's rezed this thread then make yourself useful and find out if anyone has a trailer hitch kit for the 5th Gen Automatic Camaro yet.

There is that one picture of a CTF pulling a trailer. I know you can buy the kits for Vette so.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:40 AM   #58
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Thank you KOJDD for the trailer hitch info. should my son see fit to follow thru with his promise, I hope every one will pop a beer at my wake.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:24 PM   #59
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Clearance is 8". That's the same as the clearance on my 1999 Gen4.

With the ball mount in place, the top of the ball is 16" off the deck, but 18" would be optimum.

In the end this is all about weight. Two adult passengers in the back would be a larger downforce load (assuming you could actually get them in there... )

If you keep the tongue weight low by balancing the load properly it should not be a problem.

FYI - This will be used primarily for mounting a bike rack.
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Clearance is 8". That's the same as the clearance on my 1999 Gen4.
How does overhang differ? IIRC, the 5th gen has less overhang, so 8" of clearance would be better than it was on the 4th gen.

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In the end this is all about weight. Two adult passengers in the back would be a larger downforce load (assuming you could actually get them in there... )
Passengers in the backseat are in front of the rear axle. A trailer hitch bears weight far behind the rear axle. That gives the weight a lot of leverage, and you can't put as much weight on a hitch ball as you can in a backseat or you'll get too little weight on the front and too much weight on the rear.

In practice, I suspect that the 5th gen is no slouch. Being pretty heavy, and probably having a somewhat ballsy rear suspension, should add up to decent capacity.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:19 AM   #61
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I would'nt tow 2 bikes. 1 would'nt be a big deal. Why would you be thinking of the 'twisties' with a trailer ? Pulling excessive weight behind what the car is rated for is not a good idea to begin with, but pulling ANY trailer and expecting to get a ride through the twisties is looking for trouble.

Kojdd - that's a real cleana nd good looking install. Thanks your friend for us, I'll be looking into that to pull my cruiser ... but just one.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:30 AM   #62
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'grats on the hitch. You should be fine for light loads. My uncle used to tow his glider in a trailer behind his 80-something prelude. I drove it around a coupla times hooked up, and it handled fine. This was in the mountains of PA. Just make sure you give yourself more stopping distance than you anticipate downhill...
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:14 PM   #63
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I want to get the same thing so I can put a bike rack on mine, when I get it. Problem is, the bike rack sticks straight out of the receiver a good foot or two. If it's that low, it will DEFINITELY scrape, a lot. And when it is scraping, it's going to be transmitting all those forces to the body of the car wherever the hitch is bolted on. I'm going to have to see what the options are when I actually get my car.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:13 PM   #64
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Hey K0jdd,
Can you give us an update on how your hitch is working out with the bike rack? I don't have my Camaro yet, but I'll want an easy way to bring the bikes once I get it. I have a Thule 954 rack. With the hitch pictured, I am concerned about scraping. Any chance you could post a photo with your bike rack attached?
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:42 PM   #65
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Hey K0jdd,
Can you give us an update on how your hitch is working out with the bike rack? I don't have my Camaro yet, but I'll want an easy way to bring the bikes once I get it. I have a Thule 954 rack. With the hitch pictured, I am concerned about scraping. Any chance you could post a photo with your bike rack attached?
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It works out just fine.

I just don't see this as a scraping hazard, at least not where I drive.

If you visualize from the second image the type of incline required to scrape you can postulate that:

- It has to start from flat ground on an immediate incline, almost as if the road were bent up like a sheet of metal.

- The incline needs to exceed approximately 9 degrees (5 inches run for every inch rise) or almost 10%. ( Danger! - i just did some 7th grade math...)

By way of comparison, go measure the clearance on your front air dam and the distance from that to the leading edge of the front tires. I think you will find that its a bigger scraping risk.

If you can scrape your hitch coming down, I think the air dam would also scrape on the way up.

A super big speedbump or a really poorly designed driveway apron might do it, but to me it seems unlikely.

BTW - Curt manufacturing has this hitch's info on their website now. click here
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:00 PM   #66
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Thanks so much for posting these pics. The perspective in that second photo is perfect. being able to see the wheel in relation to the hitch really helps. I can see that it would have to be a really steep speed bump to scrape. And I think you're right that your front end would probably hit first (though I don't have my car to measure yet). My rack doesn't sweep up so nicely like yours, but I can tell from the photo that it will be just fine. I ride a lot and like to bring my bike with me whenever I can, but don't really want to put a trunk rack on. This will be perfect.
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You could always stick the bike in the trunk. Pop off the front wheel, and if it's still too tight a fit, ten seconds with a Pedro's pedal wrench takes off each pedal.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:25 PM   #68
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Yea, I will certainly try the trunk, but it is awfully small. And I know what you mean; my pedal wrench is a good friend that I use often. I rented a Camaro 1LT last month and made sure I could fit my practice bass amp in the trunk, and my bass case in the back seat (since it wouldn't fit in the trunk), but I neglected to try any of the bikes. I imagine my road and triathlon bikes would fit okay with the wheels removed, but I think my mountain bike (29er) will be tough. Though that's all without adding the family. Fortunately, I am keeping the Suburban too!
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Unless you are going to the race track with the motorcycle, why not ride it? It is a motor vehicle, isn't it? I practice what I preach, I just rode my Harley from Boston Ma to Sturgis SD and back last month. I put on 5,000 miles in 12 days.
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I really like that, I might order one for mounting a bike rack. Since I don't live in Wisconsin where would I get it installed if I ordered one?
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I really like that, I might order one for mounting a bike rack. Since I don't live in Wisconsin where would I get it installed if I ordered one?
Find a local hitch shop and have them order and install it.
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Find a local hitch shop and have them order and install it.
I didn't think they would install the product unless you bought it through them, guess it's worth a shot.
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Get the automatic and it will be no problem. The manual should only be used to tow it a couple miles like to a storage shed, with no passengers or other load, if on level ground should be fine.
Why do you say that?
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