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Old 01-14-2009, 04:03 PM   #29
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The manual has pretty aggressive gearing. The gearing in the V6 auto is nearly the same as in the SS auto except for final drive ratio. I think.
Thanks. I forgot about the difference in gearing between the AT and MT on the LS/LT.
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Thanks. I forgot about the difference in gearing between the AT and MT on the LS/LT.
I dont know what it is about that chart that made me realize that MAN DO I WANT THIS CAR REALLY BADDD
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that aisin is geared like crazy...


if we could only get gearing like that on the ss... jebus.
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You want that high gearing? only good for economy the higher you go, and more top speed I suppose.
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You want that high gearing? only good for economy the higher you go, and more top speed I suppose.
You've got that backward - lower number = longer gear. Meaning first gear in the V6 manual will be rather short. The program I ran previously put the redline at about 40 mph. 70 or so in second. Then just over 100 in third.

They did it to make up for the V6's "lower" torque numbers, I guarantee it. With that gearing, the V6 camaro has only 4% less torque to the wheels in first gear than the Challenger R/T. In later gears the gap widens considerably, but low end torque makes the most difference at the launch. The V6's high end power will help carry it through the other gears.
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You've got that backward - lower number = longer gear. Meaning first gear in the V6 manual will be rather short. The program I ran previously put the redline at about 40 mph. 70 or so in second. Then just over 100 in third.

They did it to make up for the V6's "lower" torque numbers, I guarantee it. With that gearing, the V6 camaro has only 4% less torque to the wheels in first gear than the Challenger R/T. In later gears the gap widens considerably, but low end torque makes the most difference at the launch. The V6's high end power will help carry it through the other gears.
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Yea thats what I mean, the first gear in the V6 manual is shorter compared to the first gear in the SS manual. The lower the number the higher the gear ratio. At least that what I've been taught. That's why a high 3.23:1 rear end ratio is better for the highway compared to a low 4.10:1 ratio.

Here is a quote from Chevy high performance. "Fortunately, today's transmissions frequently utilize Overdrive high gears in the neighborhood of 0.70:1, which allow reduced engine speeds. "
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/te...ing/index.html
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This is all well and good I suppose. Sure it will outrun the Challenger and Mustang V6'ers, but there are several V6 sedans on the market, not really meant for racing by any means, but they run mid 14's. I guess on the other hand, most of them really won't be as well rounded of a car overall, plus none look 1/100000000th as good as the Camaro, and most cost more by a few thousand. I dunno. It's hard to compare things like that, but I'd just like to see a V6 camaro run high 13's and the SS get into mid-high 12's(which I think it will)
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This is all well and good I suppose. Sure it will outrun the Challenger and Mustang V6'ers, but there are several V6 sedans on the market, not really meant for racing by any means, but they run mid 14's. I guess on the other hand, most of them really won't be as well rounded of a car overall, plus none look 1/100000000th as good as the Camaro, and most cost more by a few thousand. I dunno. It's hard to compare things like that, but I'd just like to see a V6 camaro run high 13's and the SS get into mid-high 12's(which I think it will)
I think you'll be very happy then. These numbers are exactly what I expect them to get. The V6 I expect will break into the 13's stock with a good/moderately good driver, and the V8 will be in the 12's even without one.
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I am fairly confident that the SS will go well into the 12's, which by all means there should be someone at least able to match a few of the 01-02 "freaks" that hit 12.6-12.8 and 12.9-13.1 were very common stock for those cars. anyone know the power to weight ratio for an 02 vs an 2010 Camaro?
I'm just worried about the V6.
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I am fairly confident that the SS will go well into the 12's, which by all means there should be someone at least able to match a few of the 01-02 "freaks" that hit 12.6-12.8 and 12.9-13.1 were very common stock for those cars. anyone know the power to weight ratio for an 02 vs an 2010 Camaro?
I'm just worried about the V6.
Don't be. It'll break into the 13's stock.

The lbs/HP of a 2002 SS is 10.7 or so.
of a 2010 SS will be about 9 or so.
of a 2010 LT will be about 12.3 or so.

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P.S. - Also - we've already seen that the V6 camaro will be at about 11 lbs/HP with only intake and catback, no tune. Throw headers on that too and you'll be as good as a stock 2002 SS, if not slightly better.
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So the manual V6 will get about 25 mpg, and the auto will get 27 mpg?

I can't fathom getting an automatic tranny with this car...if these numbers are correct I may have to stretch and get the SS with a manual tranny...it is projected to get about 23 mpg, right?
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So the manual V6 will get about 25 mpg, and the auto will get 27 mpg?

I can't fathom getting an automatic tranny with this car...if these numbers are correct I may have to stretch and get the SS with a manual tranny...it is projected to get about 23 mpg, right?
Yes I *think* I remember hearing it should be about 23 highway, and maybe 24 with the auto since it has AFM.
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So the manual V6 will get about 25 mpg, and the auto will get 27 mpg?

I can't fathom getting an automatic tranny with this car...if these numbers are correct I may have to stretch and get the SS with a manual tranny...it is projected to get about 23 mpg, right?
I don't think there will be that much of a gap between auto and manual fuel economy. We're talking a 10% difference in 6th gear gearing - unless you're going fast enough to where the lean burn can't kick in, the extra 200-300 rpms shouldn't make that big of a difference.

Mathematically speaking, assuming stock tires and gear ratios, the cruising RPMS will look like this:

At 80 MPH:
Auto - 2055 rpms
Manual - 2300 rpms

At 75 MPH:
Auto - 1926
Manual - 2156

At 70 MPH:
Auto - 1798
Manual - 2013

That seems like a broad enough sampling to hit all the more common highway speeds. Now, the "sweet spot" for ideal gas mileage is different for each engine on the planet, but most of the places I've read say the sweet spot is about 2200 rpms. For the manual, thats about 77 MPH. For the auto, its about 86 MPH. Which do you usually cruise at? Seems the manual will get better real world MPGs as long as you keep your foot out of it.
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It seems to me that based on the info provided, one might as well spring for the SS, since really two or three mpg difference is not significant, IMO. I bet the performance between the 6 and the 8 is worlds apart, though.
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