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Old 07-15-2007, 11:09 PM   #35
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Hey all, new to the sight. Personally, I was leaning strongly towards the Challenger, I just didn't like the looks of the camaro. But the more I read the more disappointed I become in Dodge. In the beginning Dodge said that the Challenger was going to compete with the Mustang, kinda hard to do that when now I'm seeing 35-40+ for base prices and a limited run on it.
But then I really started looking at the Camaro and . . well, I'm hooked and I want one, I just hope the price is within reason.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:21 PM   #36
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First of all, Welcome!!! It's nice to know we can turn some of you guys back to the "light-side" of the car...

It's easy to see what your saying, at 35+ thousand dollars, and a limited production...the Challenger is going to lean strongly towards the collectors car side of the spectrum. But it will be performance competition, that's for sure! The Camaro is expected to sell between 100,000 and 150,000 units, and I would consider that a limited production car....As for pricing - there's a whole thread dedicated to that very topic (you'll have fun in there) but I'll say this: expect $20k to $30k -- not much more, no less.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:48 PM   #37
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Thanks for the welcome As I'm sure you notice, Ford never even entered the picture. From everything I've seen on this site, it's gonna be a looooong wait for 09 to get here, but hey, more time to set money aside, right?



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First of all, Welcome!!! It's nice to know we can turn some of you guys back to the "light-side" of the car...

It's easy to see what your saying, at 35+ thousand dollars, and a limited production...the Challenger is going to lean strongly towards the collectors car side of the spectrum. But it will be performance competition, that's for sure! The Camaro is expected to sell between 100,000 and 150,000 units, and I would consider that a limited production car....As for pricing - there's a whole thread dedicated to that very topic (you'll have fun in there) but I'll say this: expect $20k to $30k -- not much more, no less.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:58 PM   #38
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Thanks for the welcome As I'm sure you notice, Ford never even entered the picture. From everything I've seen on this site, it's gonna be a looooong wait for 09 to get here, but hey, more time to set money aside, right?
Right!

But don't underestimate Ford. They, along with GM are on a bit of a rebound...Plus, Ford has a knack for surprising people (i.e. The Edge). The Mustang could very well turn around in 2009 and all of a sudden have 400 hp.

I've heard around that they're also planning a new engine line (early stages), but the prospect is still there

Either way - I agree that Challenger and Camaro are going to have a brawl...
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:40 AM   #39
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Competition is good for the consumer. As thrilling and at the same time somewhat frustrating that good rivalries can be, companies have a tendency to rest on their laurels when there is no competition on the market. With everyone scrambling to have the best product out there, the buyer sees more features, higher performance, and lower price. I always take the side of the Camaro when discussing the Mustang and the Challenger, but they are still good cars. People supporting all makes can get obnoxious at times when defending their personal favorite, but without anyone to compete against they wouldn't push to make their own cars better. I'm looking forward to the new pony car wars, even though everyone knows what side I'm on
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:28 AM   #40
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[QUOTE=Dragoneye;15858]

But don't underestimate Ford. They, along with GM are on a bit of a rebound...Plus, Ford has a knack for surprising people (i.e. The Edge). The Mustang could very well turn around in 2009 and all of a sudden have 400 hp.
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The Edge? Really Dragon? I thought the Edge was crap. We drove one, and it just did't cut it. I would rather take the mechanically similar (if not identical) Mazda CX-9. I think it looks better and while I haven't driven one myself, my brother has and he was impressed with it.

I have to say, while I won't sit here and specifically bash Ford, there isn't a Ford on the market today that I would buy. I don't like what they are offering right now. That Interceptor show car looks promising, but I would rather have an Charger SRT-8. I don't like the looks of the Mustang. I would take a Chevy/GMC truck over the Ford line any day. And, as for their cars....are you kidding? The Focus, the "Taurus", the Fusion? Way too many other (better) options out there. I've never liked the Expeditions or Explorers. And the Escapes are junk. My parents and my brother each have one. I've driven them. They suck.

I don't want Ford to go away by any means. I agree, competition is good for the consumers. But, just like GM over the past few years, they need to start with some better designs, then bring them to market.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:29 PM   #41
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This is true Anything that could get the prices to go in our favor I'm all for it. I'm just hoping that with what seems to be the huge success that Transformers is that they might get production going sooner.


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Old 07-16-2007, 06:50 PM   #42
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Yeah, okay...foot in my mouth...
They're an American Car Company...I have to defend them...a little..
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:00 PM   #43
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I am a Chevy guy for the most part, But I love Chrysler products, I think they are the best of the big three in cars. My Silverado Z71 4X4 is pound for pound dollar for dollar, the best Dam truck made period.



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Old 07-16-2007, 09:12 PM   #44
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Right!

But don't underestimate Ford. They, along with GM are on a bit of a rebound...Plus, Ford has a knack for surprising people (i.e. The Edge). The Mustang could very well turn around in 2009 and all of a sudden have 400 hp.

I've heard around that they're also planning a new engine line (early stages), but the prospect is still there

Either way - I agree that Challenger and Camaro are going to have a brawl...
You are correct, the next redesign will happen in 09 and the GT will be sporting a 400hp V8 and a 300hp V6. and a 600hp GT500 and a 530hp Rally car with IRS and better handling features.

Oh and it was the Fusion not the Edge,
The Ford Fusion scored well in Consumer Reports’ annual new car reliability survey; in fact it even beat out the traditional top quality cars of the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. However, Japanese brands still rate the highest in automobile standards.
Of the 47 vehicles on the list, 39 are Japanese and they are hard to beat. Toyota and Honda in particular are the winners of the highest ratings world wide.

The good news for American Motor companies is that American vehicles are continuing to improve in reliability and many other ways.

Six of the most reliable vehicles are from General Motors or Ford.

The Ford Fusion, in fact, scored especially well and beat out many brands of Japanese cars. Also, the Mercury Milan and Lincoln Zephyr made the list along with GM’s Chevy Tahoe and GMC Yukon. The Pontiac Vibe Wagon from GM also made the list.

Only one European car made the list, the Mini Cooper. Unfortunately for European car companies, 19 of the 45 least reliable cars come from Europe. The least reliable list also contained 5 models from Nissan.

WAY TO GO USA ....
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:05 AM   #45
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No, I meant the Edge. I like that SUV/car thing...but the Fusion was a good call. Duh, me, I didn't even think about it.
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Dragon...you like the Edge now? Check this one out....

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...r-ar39731.html
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Nice! Yeah, I like that Car -- I probably would consider it as a family car...
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:36 PM   #48
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I have never seen that before, thats a nice little crossover, I still Like my Silverado though and I don't think I could give it up.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:42 PM   #49
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Nah, I can't really give up my Silverado either.
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Nah, I can't really give up my Silverado either.
How do you like the 06?

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I posted this on a different site about my opinion on both cars. Probably most of you know all the info about the camaro but I learned a few things about the Challenger.


"The 6.1 is going to be offered in the regular challenger, but the 6.4 will be in the "super sport" challenger. I figured the Challenger is on the same platform as the SRT-8 so that it would have similar weight "4,000lbs". The Camaro weight because it is using the zeta platform , the same as the commodore, that weighs around 3800lbs and it will more than likely have the ls3 out of the 08 vette that puts out 430hp since the ls2 is dead.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/2008-dodge-challenger.htm
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/21/t...r-super-stock/

The last is very impressive, but I dont see them selling that for the 30k that the price has been rumored to be, or having that traction setup. I could see them charging 30k for one with a 6.1 in it however.

And it looks like the Super sport and GT500 may have a rival after all
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121028
An excerpt from the last article.
"The other reason the motorheads at GMPP built this beast is because the coming '09 Camaro will probably have an SS edition available, which will be powered by this same engine right off the showroom floor."

The final Camaro engines are purely speculation at this point, supercharged or LS7 either way im not sure I see it happening but who knows, GM is going to need a car to compete with the GT500 and Challenger Super Sport.

Everyone has their own opinions and thats how it should be, those are mine judging by the facts I have been reading these past two months."
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