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Old 01-14-2009, 05:15 AM   #1
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new to driving stick

hi all

no im not that new to driving stick i hat a gti that i bought to learn stick
so not that bad,but are there any hints on how to drive it well? i mean i read all this stuff on speed shifting dumping the clutch im not to sure one what they mean so help me if u can
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6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:52 AM   #2
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just practicing for the most part.

Learn to rev match (downshifting and blipping the throttle so it's not a jerky shift) and heel-and-toe (pushing in the clutch with your left foot while braking with right right toe and rev-matching with your right heel). and then you'll learn eveything else much easier. I think those are the first two things you need to learn.

Speed shifting - I think they mean powershifting. This means not letting off the accelerator as you quickly push the clutch in, shift gears and release the clutch. Shifting from First to second just by slamming the shifter extremely fast. This has a HIGH percentage chance to grind your gears until mastered, and definitely not for newbies.

Dumping the clutch - Simple process here. Push clutch in, rev high, and let go of the clutch pedal trying to engage first gear at a high rpm. High chance of ruining your driveline at several points.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:07 AM   #3
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oooo ill just stick to what i know lol
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6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
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3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:49 AM   #4
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Heel toe downshift is good to learn.

What you describe isn't powershifting so much as 'floating' ... And you will eventually end up with extra pieces in your gearbox. Floating gears in a non-syncro= ok, as long as you rev match. Modern cars have syncro's, please don't float the gears in your new Camaro.

Powershifting is keeping your revs up while shifting, using your clutch. Do it enough and you will find out what fried clutch smells like

Clutchless powershifting is, for lack of a better term, gear jamming. Imagine making just 2 cogs and the inertia behind them, to go immediately from 6,000 to 4,000 rpm's....Something is gonna break sooner than later.

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Old 01-14-2009, 10:06 AM   #5
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I'm right there with you. I learned a few weeks ago and now I'm looking for a car to keep practicing on. I'm pretty sure it will just be one of those things that will come smoothly after tons of practice and experience.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:58 AM   #6
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it don't really take that much practice & experience once you nail the basics. i learned on a stick when i was 11. then i didn't drive one regularly for about another 6 years (my first car that i only had 3 months) & didn't get another manual til 3 1/2 years later. each time, it only took a little getting used to that particular clutch & i was fine.

the advanced techniques (like rev-matching, heel-toe, speed shifting, power shifting, etc) take quite a bit of practice to hit right consistently. you also need to be very comfortable with that specific clutch & car before trying any of the fancy stuff or you can really screw things up.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:33 AM   #7
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Another thing to practice is double clutching on the downshift which isn't really necessary for the street but it helps out the syncros. Very useful on the track for setting up a corner. And almost vital if you ever drive an old car or especially truck.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:37 PM   #8
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I have driven one once and trust me its not that hard. I don't know how to do all those fancy things other people said, but all you need to now is how to shift and not stall. Basically you take off in 1st gear, to go to 2nd: let off the gas and push in the clutch, shift to 2nd and slowly start to press the gas as you slowly let off the clutch. I didn't downshift when coming to a stop. I just pushed in the clutch and brake and put it back into 1st.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:40 PM   #9
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Every time I read a thread about manuals, I come to the renewed conclusion that getting one will cause me to do more harm than good to my Camaro. Besides, I'm elated with the performance of the automatic tranny.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:51 PM   #10
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well thanks fellas i do know how to drive a stick its just the racing part of it that gets me to wanna know more
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9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool
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7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time
6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
4. You get better fuel economy with a stick
3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:03 PM   #11
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I just got a Geo metro 5 speed to learn how to drive stick as well. The biggest thing for me is getting a smooth take off and a smooth shift from 1st to 2nd.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:03 PM   #12
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Yeah, I don't really downshift when coming to a stop either. There's nothing wrong with this is there? I just taught myself how to drive so I guess I really didn't have anyone telling me those little handy pointers. Also, can you explain that "Heel to toe" thing again. So basically when down shifting you want to keep the rpm's up a little bit by pressing the accelerator with your heel while also breaking with your toe? Does this just make the downshift a little smoother I'm guessing? Weird, never heard of this heel to toe thing. But, like I said, no one really taught me how to drive stick.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:06 PM   #13
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I just got a Geo metro 5 speed to learn how to drive stick as well. The biggest thing for me is getting a smooth take off and a smooth shift from 1st to 2nd.
Try letting the clutch out like super slow. that should give you a nice smooth shift from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:18 PM   #14
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"Yeah, I don't really downshift when coming to a stop either. There's nothing wrong with this is there? I just taught myself how to drive so I guess I really didn't have anyone telling me those little handy pointers. Also, can you explain that "Heel to toe" thing again. So basically when down shifting you want to keep the rpm's up a little bit by pressing the accelerator with your heel while also breaking with your toe? Does this just make the downshift a little smoother I'm guessing? Weird, never heard of this heel to toe thing. But, like I said, no one really taught me how to drive stick."
Heal toeing was originally developed as a racing technique designed to get the driver into the preferred gear quickly and smoothly before entering a corner. Basically its braking with one side of your foot and pushing in the clutch while simultaneously putting it into a lower gear and with the other side of your foot you blip the throttle and let off the clutch. This will slow down your car much smoother than just downshifting and letting out of the clutch slowly, its also much better for the car when performed correctly. If you want to learn how to do this I highly recommend perfecting rev match downshift first. All a rev match downshift is, is a normal downshift but before you let out the clutch you blip the throttle to the RPM it will end up reaching when you let off the clutch. Once you perfect that part then all you gotta do is add the brake to it and there's your heal toe downshift.

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Old 01-14-2009, 10:31 PM   #15
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What do u mean blip the throtte
And how to I nowhere rpms r going to end up?
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9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool
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7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time
6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
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3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:33 PM   #16
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Heal toeing was originally developed as a racing technique designed to get the driver into the preferred gear quickly and smoothly before entering a corner. Basically its braking with one side of your foot and pushing in the clutch while simultaneously putting it into a lower gear and with the other side of your foot you blip the throttle and let off the clutch. This will slow down your car much smoother than just downshifting and letting out of the clutch slowly, its also much better for the car when performed correctly. If you want to learn how to do this I highly recommend perfecting rev match downshift first. All a rev match downshift is, is a normal downshift but before you let out the clutch you blip the throttle to the RPM it will end up reaching when you let off the clutch. Once you perfect that part then all you gotta do is add the brake to it and there's your heal toe downshift.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:39 PM   #17
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What do u mean blip the throtte
And how to I nowhere rpms r going to end up?
Basically a quick press of the gas pedal.

Going 30 mph in 3rd gear might be say 2500 rpms.
Going 30 mph in second gear is say 4000 rpms.

In order to shift to from third to seconds without being jerky and clunky, you need to give the engine some throttle while the clutch is pushed in to get it up to 4000 rpms. So a quick pressing of the gas pedal gets the rpms up so when the clutch is let out, the engine and the driveline are spinning at the same speed so there is no jerkiness and a very smooth shift.


Heel and Toe is being able to do this while you're braking. That's why I explained rev matching first.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:17 PM   #18
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oooo ok i guess,,so whos gonna come to ny and teach me lol
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9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool
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7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time
6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
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3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick
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My little Geo doesn't even have a tach! I get the idea, thanks for the pointers
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I had practice at an early age, around 10 years old in our small pickup truck. After a couple of bog outs and peel outs I eventually learn to match rev the rpms to catch the gear. It takes time to get it down but start off with the basics, nothing too fancy. The scariest thing I think is just trying to keep the car from not stalling while at a hill stopped. You'll learn to be quick with your feet
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I was reading in motor trend that the new Nissan 370Z does this for you, they said that the computer blips the throttle and it outperforms their heel-towing.
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I had practice at an early age, around 10 years old in our small pickup truck. After a couple of bog outs and peel outs I eventually learn to match rev the rpms to catch the gear. It takes time to get it down but start off with the basics, nothing too fancy. The scariest thing I think is just trying to keep the car from not stalling while at a hill stopped. You'll learn to be quick with your feet
yea that is quite scarry i get nervous lol
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10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control
9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool
8. You can't spell "manual" without "man"
7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time
6. You can't drift in an auto
5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic
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3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick
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heres a good video on using the emergency brake on hills
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I always figured to walk the tight rope of keeping the clutch grabbing and the throttle up enough to keep the car stationary on a hill then just giving it more gas from there.
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I always figured to walk the tight rope of keeping the clutch grabbing and the throttle up enough to keep the car stationary on a hill then just giving it more gas from there.

This is a very bad idea, I used to do the exact same thing..until I had to pay for another clutch, believe me, keeping your car from moving by keeping the clutch out just enough is extremely hard on your clutch/tranny.
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