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Old 11-26-2010, 07:04 PM   #1
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quick question about headers

I'm looking to buy headers. so i have a few questions

1- what's the difference between long tubes and short tubes?

2- What's the difference between 1 3/4 and 1 7/8 ?

i'm not looking to take the car to a race track or anything, just want some extra horse power and some bigger rumble from my exhaust.


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Old 11-26-2010, 07:19 PM   #2
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1) Long tube headers are longer than short tube headers, from heads to collectors, they are less restrictive hence more efficient. Just look at a couple of pictures, then you will see the difference. 2) They come in different pipe diameter sizes. Generally, the larger the diameter the more air they can move and are less restrictive.
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Highly recommend American Racing Headers (ARH) .

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Old 11-26-2010, 09:08 PM   #4
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lts about 35 hp..st about 7hp..you can hook st up to factory cats...lts either run no cats or buy hi flow cats...also about 600 too 1000 more for lts..lts will require tune as it changes location or totally removes cats from exhaust...st will not void warranty as it keeps factory cats and does not require tune..
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:09 PM   #5
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1 3/4 and 1 7/8, mot much diff on slightly mod engine ..but on more modified or sc engine , helps a little bit
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:11 PM   #6
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lts about 35 hp..st about 7hp..you can hook st up to factory cats...lts either run no cats or buy hi flow cats...also about 600 too 1000 more for lts..lts will require tune as it changes location or totally removes cats from exhaust...st will not void warranty as it keeps factory cats and does not require tune..
couldn't have put it any better.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:16 PM   #7
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Here is a good price for a whole system with LT's (no Cats) and CatBack:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113481

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Old 11-26-2010, 10:22 PM   #8
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I'm looking to buy headers. so i have a few questions

1- what's the difference between long tubes and short tubes?

2- What's the difference between 1 3/4 and 1 7/8 ?

i'm not looking to take the car to a race track or anything, just want some extra horse power and some bigger rumble from my exhaust.


thanks guys
After all my reading, will summarize...

Short tubes are a waste of money unless you're in California or are warranty/tune paranoid.

You want 1-7/8" long tubes, they pick up a few hp over the 1-3/4". Get high flow cats if your state has emissions, they don't cost hp. If you already have an axle back or plan on keeping the stock exhaust, the Dynatech seems to be the best buy to me because you get 304ss headers, cats and x-pipe for $1,099 shipped. Kooks are also a good value from Maryland speed.

Here is a test:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63640

The system given in post #7 above (XS Power) doesn't have cats, and you can google XS Power or OBX for reviews of the inexpensive stuff. Less price, but definitely more risk. If the XS Power system had cats, I would consider it because the price is so low. However, I do hate buying things twice.

If your budget is smaller, go 1-3/4" BBK long tube system IMHO. You can get the ceramic BBK off autoanything.com with cats and x-pipe for $722 shipped with a coupon code.


That's where I'm at right now. Deciding between Dynatech, Kooks, or BBK (because I want cats) as the performance to $ ratio is good.
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thank you guys. i would like to keep my stock exhaust since i've removed the mufflers (and love the way they sound) and i've replaced the OEM H pipe with and X pipe. i also removed the resonators.

i would like to get the long tube headers and according to what i'm reading i'm gonna need Cats correct? or can i run the car without CATS and just tune it instead without causing any damage to the car?

by the way, I'm not really worried about being emissions compliant.
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thank you guys. i would like to keep my stock exhaust since i've removed the mufflers (and love the way they sound) and i've replaced the OEM H pipe with and X pipe. i also removed the resonators.

i would like to get the long tube headers and according to what i'm reading i'm gonna need Cats correct? or can i run the car without CATS and just tune it instead without causing any damage to the car?

by the way, I'm not really worried about being emissions compliant.
you can you run the car with out cats, off road mid pipes, it cost about 200 bucks cheaper to run without cats... the car will be louder, and i have heard also might have a smell to it... when i got my headers i was going to run with no cats, but people where saying they can smell

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1) Long tube headers are longer than short tube headers, from heads to collectors, they are less restrictive hence more efficient. Just look at a couple of pictures, then you will see the difference. 2) They come in different pipe diameter sizes. Generally, the larger the diameter the more air they can move and are less restrictive.
This is a pretty good short and sweet answer. Here is some more detailed info.
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thank you guys. i would like to keep my stock exhaust since i've removed the mufflers (and love the way they sound) and i've replaced the OEM H pipe with and X pipe. i also removed the resonators.

i would like to get the long tube headers and according to what i'm reading i'm gonna need Cats correct? or can i run the car without CATS and just tune it instead without causing any damage to the car?

by the way, I'm not really worried about being emissions compliant.
you will be LOUD , with no mufflers...with headers..being in nj, states surrounding you are tough and getting tougher on emissions...so i would keep that in mind..also guys have reported that no cats seem to blacken tips and more soot at rear of car. but you will not hurt car with proper tune..
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you will be LOUD , with no mufflers...with headers..being in nj, states surrounding you are tough and getting tougher on emissions...so i would keep that in mind..also guys have reported that no cats seem to blacken tips and more soot at rear of car. but you will not hurt car with proper tune..
Yeah, long tube headers and no mufflers is not recommended (unless you want it explosively loud).

I would suggest getting an axle back exhaust (catback would be even better, but they're pretty expensive) or get some new mufflers to go with your headers.
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