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Old 01-14-2009, 02:16 PM   #1
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GMS - Dealers Participating

I posted in another Thread but thought this was important enough to start its own thread.

We have moved past MSRP or Less for those that are GMS eligible.

I recieved confirmation in writing yesterday from my dealership that all 2010 camaros will be eligible for GMS at their location.

Al Serra Auto Plaza in Grand Blanc MI
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As of yesterday they still had 11 allocations left out of the 38 they have been assured for the year.

I have bought/leased many cars over the last 14 years from this dealership and the same sales person at the pace of 1 new car every two years and they are true to there word. IF you are not elligble for GMS ask them about their "only price".........it is usually several thousand below MSRP. I am not sure what they will do with the camaro but they did assure me at my time of order that they would not go above MSRP.

I hope this info helps push others to get their dealership to pass on the GMS program to those that are eligible.

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BTW - Ask for Gregg Winnie if you call them. Great Sales Person that doesn't blow smoke.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:00 AM   #2
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Graff Chevrolet Okemos accepts GMS, and promises they wouldn't make me pay a penny more.

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They still have 4 of their 11 allocation left.
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awesome thread. I'm having trouble finding one in my area. looks like I'll be getting a 1 way ticket to MI.
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I do not understand this thread and maybe someone can enlighten me a bit. How are you guys so sure GM will be allowing the GMS number or Supplier number to be honored at time of delivery? What if your dealer backs out of that deal? With the Z06 they did not honor GMS or the like for something like 6 months or better.

I am a bit confused since you can not submit a number to GM without a VIN and GM could post their "bulletin" that they will not be doing GMS when the vehicles are about to come out and then the dealer won't want to take a bath on a vehicle of $2,000..

I had a irrate guy sent me an email, he was irrate because I said I could not honor GM supplier pricing on it at this point..(dealership rules currently) I told him with the limited allocation that we had.. GM would not reimburse us as far as we know.. etc. I am now a Liar I guess for trying to be a staright shooter. Lesson one I learned in this business, Consumers will always be angry when they can not acquire what they want for the price they want and without fail it has been true.

Help me out here some.
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last i checked, it was stated in the IDL a few days ago that all discounts will be availible from day one...

someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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and to reference your methodology, the z06 is a 75k car... different situation. not to mention, the economy and need for car sales was also a very different situation back then.

what it comes down to is the question of whether you'd charge up the arse and only get a few customers in, or keep pushing lots of cars off the lot at a reasonable price...

as for a dealer backing out, as long as you have a written statement from them saying they'll honor any discounts offered by gm (which many of us do); it's gonna be a hard struggle for them to get out of it as long as you have kept up your side of the agreement.
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If a dealer can sell every one of his Camaros for MSRP, why would he be foolish enough to accept GMS or GSU on any early cars? They finally can make a little bit of money on a new release and already are cheapening the car by discounting it. Do it if you want but it's like throwing money out of the dealership doors. That's something dealers can't afford to do these days.
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If a dealer can sell every one of his Camaros for MSRP, why would he be foolish enough to accept GMS or GSU on any early cars? They finally can make a little bit of money on a new release and already are cheapening the car by discounting it. Do it if you want but it's like throwing money out of the dealership doors. That's something dealers can't afford to do these days.
that's a good point, but i gotta ask... what if they cant?

if you look into any newspaper these days, you'll notice it isn't currently a sellers market.


challangers that were being marked up 10k 6 months ago are sitting on lots now for under msrp... with dealers willing to deal.


times change, and luckily for the consumer (but not so much for the dealer) the market is in our hands.

think of it this way, it's better for a dealer to make the hold back and that's it then to make nothing at all.
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that's a good point, but i gotta ask... what if they cant?

if you look into any newspaper these days, you'll notice it isn't currently a sellers market.


challangers that were being marked up 10k 6 months ago are sitting on lots now for under msrp... with dealers willing to deal.


times change, and luckily for the consumer (but not so much for the dealer) the market is in our hands.

think of it this way, it's better for a dealer to make the hold back and that's it then to make nothing at all.

Most dealers will pass on GMS sales for a car that is not even released yet. If they want to work on holdback only, that's fine. It just doesn't make sense. There goes GM again getting into the dealer's pockets. They (GM) say they care about dealer profitiblity and then they offer GMS on the hottest GM car in a long time. No wonder they need the bailout. They don't know how to manage money or sell cars.
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last i checked, it was stated in the IDL a few days ago that all discounts will be availible from day one...

someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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and to reference your methodology, the z06 is a 75k car... different situation. not to mention, the economy and need for car sales was also a very different situation back then.

what it comes down to is the question of whether you'd charge up the arse and only get a few customers in, or keep pushing lots of cars off the lot at a reasonable price...

as for a dealer backing out, as long as you have a written statement from them saying they'll honor any discounts offered by gm (which many of us do); it's gonna be a hard struggle for them to get out of it as long as you have kept up your side of the deal.
I am just asking a question and I am not saying that a Z06 and a Camaro are the same product or cost the same, but there will be only a minor amount to each dealership at first and that is simular compared to say a Malibu or Silverado.

I don't think this is a fair statement (the underlined one) because a dealership decides not to honor Supplier or GM pricing on something you won't see many of, again, profit is only bad in the Car and Oil business.. and why is MSRP such a dang ugly word? You will purchase that pair of Nikes at 1000% markup, a Tie at 2000%, heck a TV/Stereo at 100%.. just not a car at 3%, I get it.

I have really had about enough of the demonizing of dealerships everywhere I look. PSST. Hey guys, it hasn't been a fricken banner year to begin with, now all customers think "Good, let's hold em hostage and make em sell for nothing... THEY HAVE TO!" gah, I better stop because I know probably none of the Consumers here really care as long as they get what they want for what they want.

I do not know of this IDL, but then again I missed the last one a few days back. SOrry I ranted a bit, wasn't aimed at you persay Bolt
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last i checked, it was stated in the IDL a few days ago that all discounts will be availible from day one...

someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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and to reference your methodology, the z06 is a 75k car... different situation. not to mention, the economy and need for car sales was also a very different situation back then.

what it comes down to is the question of whether you'd charge up the arse and only get a few customers in, or keep pushing lots of cars off the lot at a reasonable price...

as for a dealer backing out, as long as you have a written statement from them saying they'll honor any discounts offered by gm (which many of us do); it's gonna be a hard struggle for them to get out of it as long as you have kept up your side of the agreement.
see this thread they are not being blocked...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11637

So if a dealership is not participating that is the DEALERSHIPS Choice nothing to do with GM or other dealerships participating. Good luck seeling at MSRP on a camaro...definetley their puragative......but I can tell you I for one am a repeat loyal costomer and have purchased from the same dealership for the last 17 years at the rate of 1 car ever 3 years.....and that is why I go back they didn't try to make a little bit more money off of a selct few...they treat everyone the same.....and if GMS is offered they pass it on.....I guess they look at volume rather than quick cash on 10-12 cars......the mom and pops that only get one or two cars....so be it......they need to do what they need to do

BTW we need to stop comparing the 5thG to a Z06 at 75k in real limited production......fariness to both cars.....BTW A local dealersip were I work has a Z06 on their lot for 3000 below MSRP....wonder why????


Sorry to vent but this goes back to when I walked into a dealership at 21 and was looking to purchase my Monte and they looked at me and said "do you know how much that car costs"...????? WTF of course I do I guess they 8000 I want to but down isn't good enough for person.....there are a lot of good dealerships out there....I just hope that if they block GMS or GMU on the camaro they are doing it for all there cars......why wouldn't you???? You can make a little extra in these hard economic times.

Just my thoughts people - but I have not nor will I ever pay more than MSRP for a car.....I wasn't even going to do it for the 5thG - I would have waited till Dealerships came to their senses and stopped comparing it to Vett sales.
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I am just asking a question and I am not saying that a Z06 and a Camaro are the same product or cost the same, but there will be only a minor amount to each dealership at first and that is simular compared to say a Malibu or Silverado.

I don't think this is a fair statement (the underlined one) because a dealership decides not to honor Supplier or GM pricing on something you won't see many of, again, profit is only bad in the Car and Oil business.. and why is MSRP such a dang ugly word? You will purchase that pair of Nikes at 1000% markup, a Tie at 2000%, heck a TV/Stereo at 100%.. just not a car at 3%, I get it.

I have really had about enough of the demonizing of dealerships everywhere I look. PSST. Hey guys, it hasn't been a fricken banner year to begin with, now all customers think "Good, let's hold em hostage and make em sell for nothing... THEY HAVE TO!" gah, I better stop because I know probably none of the Consumers here really care as long as they get what they want for what they want.

I do not know of this IDL, but then again I missed the last one a few days back. SOrry I ranted a bit, wasn't aimed at you persay Bolt
Calm down a little bit...believe it or not I maybe we totally understand what you have to do as a dealership.......I think we can all speak for the fact that we have all had good and bad experiences.....I was ellated to see that my dealership is participating.....you know what I am getting more dealer installed options. You read some of the other posts about some buying experiences for some on the camaro and it is sicking...especially the one guy for the first time buying an american made car and the dealership told him 2000 above MSRP for Dealership fees etc...again WTF.....poor guy not from this contry and they saw him coming....

I loved your comparison to buying a tie and a $38,000 camaro....really I LOL

No hard feelings and good luck with car sales....I trully mean that.....I know it is a tough business...BTW I work comercial construction in design build and trust me it is tough everywhere....
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2000% markup is what I was refering to. $85 for a nice tie that costs about $2.50 to make and all..
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Garber Chevrolet is also has GMS and any other incentives available to Camaro buyers. We have 8 left to order before they start pulling cars to build here soon. Let us know if we can help. We are located in Midland, MI. Roughly the middle of the state.

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2000% markup is what I was refering to. $85 for a nice tie that costs about $2.50 to make and all..
Yea, profit margin is higher for clothing retail. However the net profit is lower since the goods are much less. Also you're thinking of some designer tie. If you're going to do that you need to be comparing it to Ferraris, not Camaros. You can go pick up a no-name tie for $5 at Ross.
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Who the hell pays 2000% over MSRP for a tie?
I'm not a math wizard but most ties cost less than $2.00 to produce (even designer ties) so when they sell from $30 to $200, I would say that's a super huge markup.

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Yea, profit margin is higher for clothing retail. However the net profit is lower since the goods are much less. Also you're thinking of some designer tie. If you're going to do that you need to be comparing it to Ferraris, not Camaros. You can go pick up a no-name tie for $5 at Ross.
Gonna word pick me to death aren't you?

Point is simply this, The Government will see more profit from your car than the dealer will.

90% of people don't want to let or care if a dealer makes $100

99% of all consumers don't give a rats that a salesperson may only sell 10 cars a month at $100 per car because of the consumer mentality of "Invoice" or better.

99% of consumers don't care if a dealership stays open for the next 60 days

89% of consumers will ditch their previous salesperson over $200 on the next purchase without a second thought.

99.9% of consumers will tip a hair stylist $10 or so but wouldn't give their saleperson a cupon for a free whopper.

etc. etc.
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Does anyone know how the GMS works with credit unions?
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Hey Matt - Glad to hear - I would buy from you but again I am loyal. I drive by your dealership everyday...btw did you move the vetts inside?

My boss bought a vett (07 red) from you guys...beautiful car...our company bought our trucks.

Gl on the car - I think you have talked to our IT guy as he is interested in a camaro....I thoink he wants to wait for the drop top.....

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[QUOTE=City Chevrolet;249093]Gonna word pick me to death aren't you?

we are camaro lovers man

BTW my uncle was a salesman for a very small Dealership here in MI...He was just let go.....I know all about the margins and profits. It is tough. Again we understand you have to do what you have to do.

No fault to yours - the buyer these day has a lot of information before they come through your door...atleast most car buyers
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Calm down a little bit...believe it or not I maybe we totally understand what you have to do as a dealership.......I think we can all speak for the fact that we have all had good and bad experiences.....I was ellated to see that my dealership is participating.....you know what I am getting more dealer installed options. You read some of the other posts about some buying experiences for some on the camaro and it is sicking...especially the one guy for the first time buying an american made car and the dealership told him 2000 above MSRP for Dealership fees etc...again WTF.....poor guy not from this contry and they saw him coming....

I loved your comparison to buying a tie and a $38,000 camaro....really I LOL

No hard feelings and good luck with car sales....I trully mean that.....I know it is a tough business...BTW I work comercial construction in design build and trust me it is tough everywhere....
i'm in the same boat.... i was surprised my dealer not only offered msrp but on top of that gsu for me...

that's knocking off around 10% the cost of my car that i was planning on paying.

you know what it equates to?

i'm ordering the cold air intake, shorties, and cat back exhaust lpo parts... money right back to them.


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city chevy, no offense taken... i compeletly get where your coming from. soon enough the econmy will swing back up and things will go back to the sellers hands, and then the buyers and so on and so forth.
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Does anyone know how the GMS works with credit unions?
GMS is a discount on cars for the GM worker or retired worker for their immediate family and some affiliates. Put I am sure one of the dealereships can explain eligibility to you.....Heck I know at some points Ford and their dealerships are offering their employee plan to anyone....they are doing everything they can to move cars. GM did it a few times too...but I would not expect that on this car if you are not eligible...key work eligible
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i'm in the same boat.... i was surprised my dealer not only offered msrp but on top of that gsu for me...

that's knocking off around 10% the cost of my car that i was planning on paying.

you know what it equates to?

i'm ordering the cold air intake, shorties, and cat back exhaust lpo parts... money right back to them.


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city chevy, no offense taken... i compeletly get where your coming from. soon enough the econmy will swing back up and things will go back to the sellers hands, and then the buyers and so on and so forth.

sounds like the same set up
Now i just need the parts manager to call me when they have pricing
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GMS is a discount on cars for the GM worker or retired worker for their immediate family and some affiliates. Put I am sure one of the dealereships can explain eligibility to you.....Heck I know at some points Ford and their dealerships are offering their employee plan to anyone....they are doing everything they can to move cars. GM did it a few times too...but I would not expect that on this car if you are not eligible...key work eligible
and to further clarify how it works with a credit union, what you agree upon a price with your dealer is one thing...

how you pay for that is another.


once you've got your price set (msrp, incentives, etc) then you choose which route you'd like to go about paying for the car ie for you a credit union.
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