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Old 11-29-2010, 02:59 PM   #76
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I'd like to see you do better on a wet track


Over there, all three are essentially novelty cars. And the Camaro and Challenger are simple more novel than the Mustang.
Yes a novelty, but the Mustang got the redesign at the same time as the Camaro and after the Challenger. Also has the newest powertrain. Novelty defines new and unusual. What's so Unusual about all three? And the Mustang obviously has the new engine and design. So why not put it on the show? We all know the Camaro would beat the Challenger. That's been done a couple of times now, thats not new. The M3 vs Mustang was new. All I'm saying is I'm sick of the Camaro Comparisons. Especially when we know if it's going to win or lose. Top Gear " Let's compare a Camaro to a 90k Mercedes." Now 5th Gear " Lets compare the Camaro to a Challenger in which we all know the Camaro will win." Compare the Camaro to something more close then so far apart or already done. Agree?

P.S This is not hating on either cars.
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:50 PM   #77
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What I love about this video. No matter what He says negatively about either of these cars, you couldn't slap the shit eating grin off of His face!!
100% totally agree!!!! Camaros are wicked fun to drive
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:54 PM   #78
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You know something, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if many of these review cars are in need of a fuse-pull
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Old 11-29-2010, 09:00 PM   #79
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LOL, I see it the other way.. he didn't know how to drive those cars. ( not that he doesnt know how to drive)

Like I said given a lot more time behind the wheel he might have shown better. Lets face it you need proper wheel time in order to know the ins and outs. My car is 4150 lbs with me in it and 600+ rwhp... pushes bad in the corners.. he would have wrecked it if he tried to drive it. Its just a matter of experience and I've been driving v8 powered nose heavy cars all my life... he's been driving lightweight better handling cars. Not really a dis on him, just on that poor driving exhibition caused by lack of experience in Detroit muscle ( so to speak)
But he also drives a dozen different cars each year as part of the show, including big heavy V8's (such as other Holden sourced cars or large sedans, or the occasional 'Yank tank'). I can't believe he is unable to figure out how to drive a bone stock Camaro SS.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:31 PM   #80
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Obviously this guy is not used to driving a real muscle car on the track...... he was making alot of rookie mistakes........ They could have used an ameauter SCCA racer from the States to test the cars out..... they would have gone quicker and not look as sloppy as the British dude.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:41 PM   #81
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The way I look at it this Brit had a severe handicap. It's no wonder he couldn't drive either car--he's had his legs amputated! If he had the seat any closer to the steering wheel he would be kissing the air bag. Move the seat back a couple of inches and he'd have better arm position and better turning leverage and reactions.

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Old 11-30-2010, 08:38 AM   #82
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Owners most likely. I don't think the Camaro is officially for sale in Europe, so GM doesn't really have a test fleet for the Europeans.
That is the official UK (or Euro) GM car. The same one featured on Top Gear and in various motoring press over here in the UK.

Tiff knows his stuff and didn't bad-mouth either car. They are what they are, and you love yours, right? So care not what he or anyone else says - the important part here is that the Camaro won't sell here anyway so it's completely and totally irrelavant.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:46 AM   #83
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Why do I always get pissed off when I hear the Brits talk about us "Yanks"? Is it because they're so insulting whenever they open their mouths? Or is it because they're so arrogant as they insult? Maybe they forgot how we bailed them out 65 years ago and never got so much as a thank you. I guess I wouldn't know since I'm too busy going to rodeos all the time in my "Yank-tank".
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:32 AM   #84
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i noticed the same thing lol

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What I love about this video. No matter what He says negatively about either of these cars, you couldn't slap the shit eating grin off of His face!!
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:35 PM   #85
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Bo and Luke Duke would have been the ones to use to show those cars
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Old 11-30-2010, 02:18 PM   #86
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Camaro owns, challenger sux. . . . . . .



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Old 11-30-2010, 03:53 PM   #87
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Its ok the Brits will never like our cars no matter how good they get... They still have a chip on their shoulders about losing us silly colonists. And maybe the Camaro is sold in the UK with less HP? At any rate thanks for making me laugh.
What ??, that line with the Camaro at the finish was spot on...

You got it right about the Brit's. I have yet to see a no-bias review of American cars.
Besides that, I can only understand about half of what they speak.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:30 PM   #88
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They are too biased towards German cars. Looks like they forgot what Germany did to them
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Old 12-01-2010, 02:42 PM   #89
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Wow, watched a few more vids(I don't know why lol) but yeah that funny limey is a douche! OH a douche that can't drive LOL, I drive better than that asleep! What jealousy and contempt he expresses about Americans. . . .
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Old 12-01-2010, 02:45 PM   #90
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That's the automatic the manual 6 Speed is the one that has 426 HP

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395hp for the camaro? 20 less hp then the dodge?? what? Is that guy on crack? lol Aren't they rated at the same? (426?)
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:02 PM   #91
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:03 PM   #92
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:17 PM   #93
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I have a few things to say:
  1. I do believe this man to be a good driver
  2. With his skill level, He could have had a better lap time if he disabled the Stabiltrack in the car (2011 manual SS's also have "competition mode") This would allow him to overcome the understeer the car was designed with.
  3. Camaros do handle well. They are based on the Pontiac G8 witch is based on a popular Holden product in Australia. They have near 50/50 weight distribution (unless you stick a heavy supercharger in the nose) and the stock spring rates are not bad for stock. They are just a little big boned (heavy)
  4. Cars do not melt in the rain! The P Zeros on the Camaro are designed for wet and dry performance. If you have seen the Top Gear bit, Richard H. is having no problem power sliding that "big" car around a very wet track! (he loved the car)
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Old 12-04-2010, 01:09 PM   #94
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He said the camaro was 30 thousand pounds j/k . Who's in there my ex mother in-law? ha ha ha
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Old 12-06-2010, 10:27 PM   #95
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I, for one, am tired of hearing Europeans talk about how American cars can't corner, don't handle well, etc... You would think they are all driving Porsches or Ferraris around. The truth is, most of them are driving little cracker boxes with small engines.
What you are seeing and hearing is pure envy at the fact that we can build great cars like the Camaro, Challenger or Mustang in the States, and it is affordable to the masses. Unlike most European performance cars.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:40 PM   #96
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He said the camaro was 30 thousand pounds j/k . Who's in there my ex mother in-law? ha ha ha
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I think they may be a little biased against US cars, but whatever, they have different driving conditions and cultures in Europe that may make a car such as the Camaro not be as fun. Light and nimble seem to be regarded higher than huge and haulin'. True, they also like the heavy German tanks, but they tend to look at those as more lux cruisers, not trying to say its a track car (like we are about our yank-tank Camaro).

So, in short, I think we're both right because perception is the basis for each of our decisions.

And...did you really expect mega-douche to drive the Camaro all out if he's biased against them?

Last - I would like to see the Camaro be compared to other things than Challenger and Mustang as I'm very tired of seeing those compros as well. What about S5, Cayman S, 370z, your mom, etc??
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