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Old 11-29-2010, 02:18 PM   #1
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Old 11-29-2010, 02:22 PM   #2
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:56 PM   #3
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All three units are very nice and think you would be happy with any of them. Traction will be an issue with all 3 systems, but once you relearn your car, you can somewhat work around that. I personally went with the whipple and I love it. The power comes on almost immediately and I think it looks bad ass. I don't know much about the vortex system but the kenny bell and the whipple will yield similar results. See what you can get the best deal on.

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All are great blowers. On L99 automatic cars I beleive I`m the only one who squeeked into the 10`s w/ stock internals and I have a Whipple. My motor is untouched inside. *Edit* SuperchargedSS and Adam@ST also hit the 10`s w/ stock internals. Whipple is a front mount and KB is a rear so CAI`s will not work w/ the KB. Not sure on the Vortech.
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:19 PM   #5
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I have all 3. On the same motor and man is this thing fast! Just kidding, but I do want the KB.
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:10 PM   #7
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All are great blowers. On L99 automatic cars I beleive I`m the only one who squeeked into the 10`s w/ stock internals and I have a Whipple. My motor is untouched inside. Whipple is a front mount and KB is a rear so CAI`s will not work w/ the KB. Not sure on the Vortech.
Adam from ST out here in CA ran 10's with just a KB. No headers, CAI, cam etc. just a lot of boost and that was in about +3000 DA.

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Old 11-29-2010, 05:17 PM   #8
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the Kenne Bell is the top choice for twin screw.

Whipple is similar but not as efficient.

Both of these blowers make torque way down low where you'll feel it, they are ideal for street cars.

Vortech is a Centrifugal blower so it makes progressively more power as rpm increases. It won't have the torque down low like the first two.

Figure out what your budget is and driving style will be and go from there.

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Old 11-29-2010, 05:31 PM   #9
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Adam from ST out here in CA ran 10's with just a KB. No headers, CAI, cam etc. just a lot of boost and that was in about +3000 DA.

Here is the thread.
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I did not see him on the 1/4 mile fastest list. I didn`t look through all the threads to see, my bad. He needs to add his time slips to the 1/4 fastest list. But running 13.5lbs on 100 octane is not too safe in my book on a stock internal motor. I`m at 7.5lbs till 5900 where it spikes up to 9.1 at 6400rpm redline. I run shell 93 gas and we are running about the same times 10.99@125 vs 10.90@125. I do have headers and a CAI but he mentions that massive 4.5 inch air intake that he used, so I would assume its similar to having a CAI. While very impressive, its not something the common guy is going to want to run, whereas as anybody could run my setup and I think that is where this guy is going w/ this thread. .

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Almost...
FULL weight car with a cage,stock exhaust manifolds and cats,stock eng,trans,rear diff,axles, etc.
The MODS are:
Kenne Bell 2.8 @13.5 psi(which includes a 4.5 CAI which locates the filter in the front facia)
Magnaflow Cat Back exhaust system
Drag radials
Custom tune on 100 octane
I run the car on the street @505 rwhp on pump,change the pulley,tune,and add 100 octane, and instant 10 sec street car.
Thanks Adam
To compare:
My car, full weight car, 5/8 tank of fuel, stock internal engine,trans, rear diff, axles.
The Mods Are:
Whipple 2.9 @ 9.1psi at peak
ARH 1 7/8 headers, w/ cats and magnaflow mufflers
ADM Race CAI
Tune on 93 octane
stock size nitto 555r drag radials on stock wheels
No need to change the tune and up the boost to make it a 10 second street car.

Regardless Adam`s accomplishment is awesome. I`m not downplaying it I just think the OP is looking for something he can mod and forget about.
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[QUOTE=GotMeSOM;2591689Whipple is similar but not as efficient.

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Got a link to unbiased testing on this?
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:54 PM   #12
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What are your expectations? If you get traction(slicks/suspension) and shoot for 600RWHP or more, do you want a roll bar/cage if you drag? (11.49 at strict NHRA tracks)

I would hate to get booted after one night. You can always sandbag or detune, but I personnaly do not want a roll cage in a semi DD car.

I debated over the same options, plus procharger. Until Procharger tech told me on a call that their canned tune with my existing headers won't work. I couldn't even limp the car to a dyno for a custom tune. I would need to keep the stock OE injectors with the procharger, drive it to the tuner's dyno, then replace the OE injectors with the kit's bigger injectors, then tune it at the shop. "Car will not run with headers using the Procharger canned tune." Okaaaay..... Pass on Procharger based on tech response......

Any of your options you pick will be better performing than stock. I decided on KB based on performance, price, design, and esthetics.
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I did not see him on the 1/4 mile fastest list. I didn`t look through all the threads to see, my bad. He needs to add his time slips to the 1/4 fastest list. But running 13.5lbs on 100 octane is not too safe in my book on a stock internal motor. I`m at 7.5lbs till 5900 where it spikes up to 9.1 at 6400rpm redline. I run shell 93 gas and we are running about the same times 10.99@125 vs 10.90@125. I do have headers and a CAI but he mentions that massive 4.5 inch air intake that he used, so I would assume its similar to having a CAI. While very impressive, its not something the common guy is going to want to run, whereas as anybody could run my setup and I think that is where this guy is going w/ this thread. .

Here`s Adam`s quote#



To compare:
My car, full weight car, 5/8 tank of fuel, stock internal engine,trans, rear diff, axles.
The Mods Are:
Whipple 2.9 @ 9.1psi at peak
ARH 1 7/8 headers, w/ cats and magnaflow mufflers
ADM Race CAI
Tune on 93 octane
stock size nitto 555r drag radials on stock wheels
No need to change the tune and up the boost to make it a 10 second street car.

Regardless Adam`s accomplishment is awesome. I`m not downplaying it I just think the OP is looking for something he can mod and forget about.
I have followed your build since you were N/A and your car was fast even without F/I.

But, if you used the crappy 91 oct gas from California you would be down in hp. Also, he ran in 3000 DA vs your run in -500 DA. Although, being F/I it is not as important I am sure that makes a difference. Your headers probably make a bit of a difference too.

I don't run or sell either kit so I have no bones to pick. Imagine if Number 9 ran a KB or Whipple. He would probably hit the 10's with 5 PSI because he is already in the 11's.
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Old 11-29-2010, 07:03 PM   #15
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well since your saying the kb is better than the whipple can you please post links and info, and which of the superchargers are you comparing? i know i'm saving up for a whipple myself, but the final decision will come once texas speed does their test.
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You guys are almost making me want to rule out my favorite one - the vortech.

I think I should mention that In less than a week I'll be installing JBA longtube headers, midpipes, and a catback exhaust. all from the JBA competition series.


Now, someone said a CAI wont work with a Kenne Bell... Well doesnt the Kenne Bell just come with its own intake, so it shouldnt matter anyway?

I'm leaning more to Kenne Bell than Whipple, but Vortech seems like it'd get me the most power, and I havnt heard many disadvantages yet except the lack of torque, and I guess it makes sense that that's necessary for a street car..


Should I just rule out the Vortech?
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Nice. You back up your statements with facts very well. Good job mate..

Regardless, both are great blowers and I think either one at 9psi would have got me very close to the same number. Only difference between the 2 to me is aesthetics front mount vs rear, and a cooler intake charge using a true cold air intake like the ADM Race that the Whipple allows to be used being front mount TB. If the temp is lower coming into the intercooler the lower it will be after the intercooler imho, at least through the same blower/ intercooler setup.. I actually like the fact that KB offers a Liquid cooled housing(optional of course) and has the IAT post intercooler which is where it should be.
Go and read some of my posts about my build and build decisions and you will see KB came in a close second and was the only other blower I considered after much research.
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But, if you used the crappy 91 oct gas from California you would be down in hp. Also, he ran in 3000 DA vs your run in -500 DA. Although, being F/I it is not as important I am sure that makes a difference. Your headers probably make a bit of a difference too.

I don't run or sell either kit so I have no bones to pick. Imagine if Number 9 ran a KB or Whipple. He would probably hit the 10's with 5 PSI because he is already in the 11's.
No doubt, I agree completely w/ your assertation.
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I am a fan of centrifugal blowers (vortech in particular) because they tend to be easier on parts at a given boost level, because they don't make QUITE as much boost at low rpm. They are a little more involved on the install of course.

The centrifugal blower will have very "NA" like power delivery.. Makes "driving" it easier especially if you plan to do any track days etc
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Vortech isnt going to strain your suspension parts as hard right off the line. Plus top end power should be higher on the Vortech versus the other two at the same boost.
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Vortech isnt going to strain your suspension parts as hard right off the line. Plus top end power should be higher on the Vortech versus the other two at the same boost.
the car is Sooo spin happy I think Vortech would (by dyno's i have seen)give ya more DD feel.

I was looking at some other post's and 500 hp at 3k RPM who out their could let their girl drive the car?

Mine girl has not driven it yet BUT .this weekend have a meeting 3.5 hr's away she wants to go. I want to drive the car.here is the catch. while i'm in the 8+hr meeting she wants to shop......do i let her drive it??? if it had the SC NO would have to be tha answer. vortech "maybe" hate to drive 7hrs in my truck when the camaro is right their. sorry for the rant but i was thinking maybe you guy's could relate.....
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the car is Sooo spin happy I think Vortech would (by dyno's i have seen)give ya more DD feel.

I was looking at some other post's and 500 hp at 3k RPM who out their could let their girl drive the car?

Mine girl has not driven it yet BUT .this weekend have a meeting 3.5 hr's away she wants to go. I want to drive the car.here is the catch. while i'm in the 8+hr meeting she wants to shop......do i let her drive it??? if it had the SC NO would have to be tha answer. vortech "maybe" hate to drive 7hrs in my truck when the camaro is right their. sorry for the rant but i was thinking maybe you guy's could relate.....
why not let her drive it? my buddy put a whipple on his l99 and is making 600+ rwhp, and its his wife's daily driver. its all on how they drive the car, if she is gonna get on it everytime from a stop then no i wouldn't let her but if she is going to drive it like normal then why not let her drive it.
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