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Old 11-29-2010, 08:42 PM   #18
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But, if you used the crappy 91 oct gas from California you would be down in hp. Also, he ran in 3000 DA vs your run in -500 DA. Although, being F/I it is not as important I am sure that makes a difference. Your headers probably make a bit of a difference too.

I don't run or sell either kit so I have no bones to pick. Imagine if Number 9 ran a KB or Whipple. He would probably hit the 10's with 5 PSI because he is already in the 11's.
No doubt, I agree completely w/ your assertation.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:33 PM   #19
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All are good systems. Just depends on what YOU want. I learned ALOT just doing research on Camaro5.
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:12 AM   #20
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I am a fan of centrifugal blowers (vortech in particular) because they tend to be easier on parts at a given boost level, because they don't make QUITE as much boost at low rpm. They are a little more involved on the install of course.

The centrifugal blower will have very "NA" like power delivery.. Makes "driving" it easier especially if you plan to do any track days etc
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:49 AM   #21
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:28 AM   #22
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easy. Vortech

Vortech isnt going to strain your suspension parts as hard right off the line. Plus top end power should be higher on the Vortech versus the other two at the same boost.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:01 AM   #23
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easy. Vortech

Vortech isnt going to strain your suspension parts as hard right off the line. Plus top end power should be higher on the Vortech versus the other two at the same boost.
the car is Sooo spin happy I think Vortech would (by dyno's i have seen)give ya more DD feel.

I was looking at some other post's and 500 hp at 3k RPM who out their could let their girl drive the car?

Mine girl has not driven it yet BUT .this weekend have a meeting 3.5 hr's away she wants to go. I want to drive the car.here is the catch. while i'm in the 8+hr meeting she wants to shop......do i let her drive it??? if it had the SC NO would have to be tha answer. vortech "maybe" hate to drive 7hrs in my truck when the camaro is right their. sorry for the rant but i was thinking maybe you guy's could relate.....
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Old 11-30-2010, 11:51 AM   #24
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the car is Sooo spin happy I think Vortech would (by dyno's i have seen)give ya more DD feel.

I was looking at some other post's and 500 hp at 3k RPM who out their could let their girl drive the car?

Mine girl has not driven it yet BUT .this weekend have a meeting 3.5 hr's away she wants to go. I want to drive the car.here is the catch. while i'm in the 8+hr meeting she wants to shop......do i let her drive it??? if it had the SC NO would have to be tha answer. vortech "maybe" hate to drive 7hrs in my truck when the camaro is right their. sorry for the rant but i was thinking maybe you guy's could relate.....
why not let her drive it? my buddy put a whipple on his l99 and is making 600+ rwhp, and its his wife's daily driver. its all on how they drive the car, if she is gonna get on it everytime from a stop then no i wouldn't let her but if she is going to drive it like normal then why not let her drive it.
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:31 PM   #26
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Vortech is your Friend!! If I had to do it all over again I'd do it again with the Vortech.
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:44 PM   #27
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Vortech Ftw!

I like the feel of power coming on strong as the RPM's build. The Vortech also saves my tire life.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:16 AM   #28
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I've been deciding and reading all about the available superchargers for a while now, but this question might require people who actually own one.

I've narrowed my choices down to a Vortech v3, a Kenne Bell, or a Whipple.

This car is my daily driver, so my biggest concerns are engine life and traction(can be fixed with suspension, but i cant afford that for a while).

I'm really, really leaning for the Vortech because I dont plan to EVER go over 700HP, and the way it builds rpms seems like itd be best for daily driving, but I'll come to Camaro5 and see what you guys think.
Given your detailed description I would have to recommend the Vortech V3, It fits what you want best and I have installed and/or tuned all of the above.

It will be the Easiest on engine and drivetrain parts and easiest to manage traction with your right foot.

Don't take anything away from the V3 it will support 700 RWHP just in case later on you want to turn up the wick a bit.

The Vortech is easiest to Tame or get aggressive with the power just by swapping pulleys, there is a lot of Range in these Blowers.

The basic package will put an LS3 at 530 RWHP out of the Package, with my JRE Vortech Upgrade Package we consistantly see 600 RWHP + add a cam and your at 700 RWHP Pretty Darn Easy.

All the Blower Packages are Great These Days, That is What makes it so hard to Choose.

We have to be good listeners of our customers description to make the right Recommendation.

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I have the V-3 and love it, so im biased, im at 530 RWHP, just saving up some more money before I bring it up to Jannetty for the Upgrade!
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Old 12-01-2010, 04:29 PM   #30
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As being someone who has personally owned (3) 402 cid Centris, (1) 402' KB, (1) 443" TTi Twin Turbo, (1) 454" Direct port N20, and (1) 440' KB, all on the exact same car, and they were always a"true" street car, I would go for the KB (or any twin screw for that matter) over a centri for the street. They are hands down the best driving forced induction setup you can run on a street car.

People think that a twin screw car hits so hard that it is either undriveable, spins the tires everywhere you go, or affects the longevity. That is completely and totally false.

Heres the thing.. Yes, when you stab the throttle, you will go from no boost, to virtually full boost almost immediatly. Keyword: STAB. Although very fun, the car usually violently comes alive. Kinda like tossing water on your wife at 4am, while she's sound asleep. My point being, is when you are accelerating, even when aggressively accelerating, the blower bypass valve has the ability to gradually close. Being that it is spring loaded, there is resistance. So even when you are in boost, you can very easily take a 10psi car, and accelerate at 3-4psi. If you are not happy with that power, you can tip in harder to give yourself the full boost. What im getting at, is that when driving your car in anything but full throttle, the blower is very very driveable and predictable. Im not saying full throttle isnt predictable or driveable though.

Centris are great blowers. The Procharger holds more world titles than any other blower on the market of its kind. But when it comes to driveability, a top mount blower is wayyyyy more driveable when actually in boost, but not full tilt. Rather than being rpm dependant, they are throttle dependant. This means user input determines everything. The user does not need to focus on specific RPM's, all he needs to do, is modulate the pedal. EXACTLY the way you do with no blower.

Any of the 3 blowers you have chosen will more than handle your power level. They are all capable of delivering great driving experiences on your car. But unless you are making a "Driveability" decision based on your actual experiences, I would urge you to talk to alot of guys who drive both cars. You will find that the myth of high HP top mount cars, and their ability to be driven hard, is nothing more than a myth. Hence the reason the ZR1, and CTS-V all run top mount blowers.

My vote goes for a Twin Screw Blower.. They are sooooo fun to drive on the street. Plus they look cool as heck.

I hope this helps your decision. Depending on where you live, I may be able to contact a couple of our customers to arrange a drive in the different setups.

If you ever need pricing, we would be more than happy to quote you a price, and/or install as well. If you have any specific questions, and cant seem to find it on the forum, dont hesitate to call the shop, or even shoot a call or text to my personal cell 702-354-5333

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I've been deciding and reading all about the available superchargers for a while now, but this question might require people who actually own one.

I've narrowed my choices down to a Vortech v3, a Kenne Bell, or a Whipple.

This car is my daily driver, so my biggest concerns are engine life and traction(can be fixed with suspension, but i cant afford that for a while).

I'm really, really leaning for the Vortech because I dont plan to EVER go over 700HP, and the way it builds rpms seems like itd be best for daily driving, but I'll come to Camaro5 and see what you guys think.
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I'm not saying this in a negative way, but I "Think" you may have meant that a top mount has more of a "NA" power delivery. When comparing the power/torque of both types, being that the Top mount has instant boost, it is able to produce very very flat torque curves. This most often mimics the NA powerband. A centri usually always has the torque curve bias to the higher RPM. Which of course, is very desireable to a significant amount of people. But there are quite a few cars out there who have set up valve timing, and motor/driveline specs to really take advantage of the centris airflow capabilities, which results in very flat curves, but out of the box, they tend to favor the upper range of the power band.

Again, please dont take that as a smartazz comment, I'm sure you know this stuff already.
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Top-mount blowers will force you to "roll" into the throttle rather than just punching it. The margin of error during a race (or off the line) is minimal and it's going to take some practice to get used to it. If you don't intend on ever bringing it to the track and are just looking for the "hey, check this out" factor, than a top mount is for you.

Personally, I prefer centri style. In my experience they pull harder on the top end where races are won. Granted, technology has somewhat bridged the gap over the years, but the physics are constant.

If you've never been in either type of car, the only way to analogize it would be to say TM's shoot you out of the hole like a bullet; and centri's accelerate like a freight train. Both are equally awesome, but it really depends on your driving style and where you like your power.

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