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View Poll Results: Should dealers accept discounts right away
GM says they're available so yes, no doubt, the dealers should honor them NOW 56 82.35%
I think they should but I understand if they don't 5 7.35%
No, not now. It's a BRAND NEW car-discounts should be available, but later 7 10.29%
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:58 PM   #1
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Poll- Should a dealer accept GMS/GSU INITIALLY

My contention is that the dealer should accept employee/supplier discounts but not right away. There will be a limited window (first 6 delivery months IMO) for the dealer to make "sticker" money on this car. In this economy, the opportunities to make extra cash are few and far between. I consider this time period the wanna play/gotta pay time and I don't care who you are, or who you know, or who you work for.

I have no issues with someone having the opportunity to get these discounts whether they actually are an employee, work for a GM subsidiary or supplier, or whatever. I do have an issue with them more or less demanding the dealers accept the discounts, at launch, on arguably the most anticipated Chevy vehicle release in a decade.

All I can tell you is that if I were a dealer, I wouldn't until all the hype calms down. Maybe that's a week, maybe it's a year. Most of those of you who say you would, are liars. It would be just like driving down the road and throwing money out the window. How many of you would do that? That's right- NONE.
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I agree but I will buy my next GM vehicle from them (if they don't back out of it) and recommend them to anyone/everyone in the future as well.
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:30 PM   #3
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I think they should honor them....

Honestly, I'm not sure what the big deal is? Is there something else we should know about in this thread??
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If GM offers it....The dealers should offer it.
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Just like not waiting for a dealer to accept it or seeking one out that would IS ALSO throwing money out the window. Approximate $2k.

now way am I doing that.
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My contention is that the dealer should accept employee/supplier discounts but not right away. There will be a limited window (first 6 delivery months IMO) for the dealer to make "sticker" money on this car. In this economy, the opportunities to make extra cash are few and far between. I consider this time period the wanna play/gotta pay time and I don't care who you are, or who you know, or who you work for.

I have no issues with someone having the opportunity to get these discounts whether they actually are an employee, work for a GM subsidiary or supplier, or whatever. I do have an issue with them more or less demanding the dealers accept the discounts, at launch, on arguably the most anticipated Chevy vehicle release in a decade.

All I can tell you is that if I were a dealer, I wouldn't until all the hype calms down. Maybe that's a week, maybe it's a year. Most of those of you who say you would, are liars. It would be just like driving down the road and throwing money out the window. How many of you would do that? That's right- NONE.
Are you a dealer?

I am for the dealer making money, but am not for the consumer to lose out on valuable discounts at any time. A good dealer will always offer up the discounts, if your dealer is not, I suggest moving on to one that will. After all, it's a buyer's market and the buyer ought to be able to get the most for his/her money. Not just some of the time, but all of the time.

Now before you go feeling sorry for the dealer who may "lose" some money over honoring a discount, DON'T. If the dealer is worth his salts, he will gain you as a faithful customer, and you will want to buy from him again, and then use his service dept., and you will recommend him to your family and friends. And let's not forget about the "Dealer Holdback", that all dealers get on every car regardless of what discounts they offer. That holdback is worth over $1000 most times and is PURE PROFIT!



Sort-of along the same topic of discounts, I am starting a thread about a seldom known $500 Lowe's gift card with your purchase of a new car/truck.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:48 AM   #7
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These are independent businesses. It would be impossible for us buyers to convince them to do things the same way across the board. That being said, I also believe that GM discounts should be standard, but I do understand that it is difficult to implement.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:54 AM   #8
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Hell yes. My dad worked 30 long, hard years for those discounts.

If I'm not mistaken, I think GM sends the dealer some money for every GMS/GMU discounted sale. So they definitely will still make some money.
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GM does NOT reimburse dealers for the discount!!!! I'm amazed any of them ever agree to honor it.
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GM does NOT reimburse dealers for the discount!!!! I'm amazed any of them ever agree to honor it.
That's not what I heard...

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I could swear I read it somewhere though.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:15 AM   #11
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That's not what I heard...

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I could swear I read it somewhere though.
Same here. I've always been told that the dealers get reimbursed the difference between the discount and invoice. Like for my car invoice is listed at $34,552 and employee is listed at $33,620 so the dealer would get reimbursed $902.
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Hell yes. My dad worked 30 long, hard years for those discounts.

If I'm not mistaken, I think GM sends the dealer some money for every GMS/GMU discounted sale. So they definitely will still make some money.
I said up front I have no issues with, in this case your father (you) deserving the discount- he did work for it and is entitled to it. Yes, GM in the case of the employee apparently gives the MEMO money back (see-> http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=45)
but the dealer still loses compared to an MSRP sale. This isn't about the dealers who are trying to charge 5k over MSRP- screw them- this is about the dealers who should be able to make MSRP while they can during the initial launch. I found out after the fact that I am eligible for "supplier". IMO, if I want it, I understand that I should have to wait until MSRP sales can no longer be attained. It's not forever, it's not the entire model year. We're probably talking until October when 2010's are normally released anyways. So how screwed would you be getting if you got your discount when every other 2010 model starts flowing into the dealers? I chose to keep my spot in line, at MSRP, so I can have the car early. I don't think it's unfair to make the discounts wait until later- that's all.
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It's never a buyers market for a new, hot model. With Camaro i is a seller's market.
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If i helped build the car, then i would expect myself to get my discount. Its not fair to an employee building the car, waiting for the car, but cant order all his options because his discount isnt there to help out. I understand about the dealer, but not all their sales will have discounst towards them
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:56 PM   #15
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In my opinion what does it matter when they offer it. The same people that are eligible for the discounts are probably going to wait for it to be offered anyway. So in reality what would be better having all the people waiting for 6 months, a year, or whatever for the discounts to appear or putting in their pre-orders now and still help GM and the dealer out now when they need it. The dealer is still going to get the same amount of money from the discount weather the buyer buys now with the discounts or waits for the discounts to be offered. Unless they go insane waiting for the discounts and say forget it and buy at msrp it really won't matter.
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I actually told my father (35 year GM employee) that dealers had the option of offering GM employee discounts to him and I. He was resistant to believe that was even possible. He said "I am an employee, I can get the discount regardless". I think thats fair. I can understand things like supplier and graduate discounts (of which I apply for both), but to make an employee pay retail is a bit ridiculous to me.

Granted, he has the option of ordering one directly from the factory, and driving it as a company car, without going through a dealer at all. I actually decided to give my dealer my business, instead of sidestepping them entirely like I normally do.
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My deal is that I am working within a budget. So if they accept my supplier pricing I can add $1000 in options that I won't otherwise order and we are all better off.
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:42 PM   #18
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I believe they def. should be accepted.
As said before this is a buyers market and GM needs to push cars out.
It is better to have more happy customers.

I also base this off of what I am currently seeing in the market.
I am taking the 370Z for example.
I currently see that the 370Zs are selling at or below MSRP and there are quite a few dealers who are taking the Nissan Discounts.
And the main reason for that is b/c they are trying to make money where they can since its a buyers market.

I for one will not buy at MSRP since I get the Suppliers Discount.
I just cant see myself paying it esp. in this market where is the one time a buyer can get a decent deal without screwing over the dealer so they get a loss.

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GMS is what I expect after working for the company over 30 years, I am there best free advertisement that they have. Every time I drive a GM product on the road. How many people went nuts chasing after this Camaro since it has been seen on the streets? How many of you knew more than these silly assed dealers? It is a shame that you have to teach them something that they should have already knew. Then after they get it they want to stick to you on the price. I am sorry but I see why the foreign competition has went to number one. They are about selling cars not about stuffing their pockets full of green cash.
I completely agree.
As I said above with the Nissan example.
It is quite sad and I wish things would be different.

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