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Old 12-05-2010, 10:20 AM   #1
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Ragin Racin Ported Fast 102 intake. 20whp gain!!

Got my ported Fast intake from Ragin Racin installed on my LS3 camaro a week ago. car was at 455whp/426wtq with TSP cam, kooks headers, vararam CAI, slp ud pulley, and stock everything else. with the new intake and a new tune, car put down 475whp/450wtq. thats a gain of 20whp/24wtq (peak) really happy with it and didnt expect it! I will post a dyno sheet with both graphs to show the difference! the gains were through the whole RPM

RR did a nice job with the porting. and also they have a good price on these intakes I would recommend them to anyone looking for a ported fast intake!!
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how do you know the tune was'nt worth most of that power?
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how do you know the tune was'nt worth most of that power?
well I dont know!! thats why I mentioned the new intake + retune. but the car was tuned before ((with the cam and other mods I had))... and of course it will need a retune with the new intake. car was tuned by the same tuner and on the same dyno.
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Was that the 231 236 cam if so those before numbers seem a bit low. Which makes the after numbers seem like they might not be what most should expect.
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Was that the 231 236 cam if so those before numbers seem a bit low. Which makes the after numbers seem like they might not be what most should expect.
lol

you can't compare different dynos... all dyno's read different.... even if they are teh same model. For example, dynojet allows a 5% tolerance in their dyno's, so you could be comparing two of the exact same dyno's and get a 10% difference! and for all you know, this is on a mustang dyno, in which these are BADASS numbers

The original poster gave a before and after dyno, and recalibrate his tune for the new intake....

Was the before setup a ported stocker or a stock one?

would love to see the graph of before and after.

and is this with a 90 or 102 mm throttle body?
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lol

you can't compare different dynos... all dyno's read different.... even if they are teh same model. For example, dynojet allows a 5% tolerance in their dyno's, so you could be comparing two of the exact same dyno's and get a 10% difference! and for all you know, this is on a mustang dyno, in which these are BADASS numbers

The original poster gave a before and after dyno, and recalibrate his tune for the new intake....

Was the before setup a ported stocker or a stock one?

would love to see the graph of before and after.

and is this with a 90 or 102 mm throttle body?
^^^^ and also every car is different. and no it was a dynojet. my numbers seems low and im not sure why. but anyway it doesnt matter. the gains should be accurate since it was on the same dyno. and no I had stock unported intake/tb. I will post the graph asa I get access to a scanner, mine stopped working and yes stock 90 TB unported.
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Was that the 231 236 cam if so those before numbers seem a bit low. Which makes the after numbers seem like they might not be what most should expect.
yes it is the 231/236 cam, 112 lsa. I know my numbers are low since people with the same cam and same mods are getting around 465 with the same cam, but I dont know why! but again the gains should be somewhat accurate since it was on the same dyno.
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i heard the 102 intake really saw gains when it was matched with the $500 throttle body.

You plan on switching to anything or keeping the stocker?
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i heard the 102 intake really saw gains when it was matched with the $500 throttle body.

You plan on switching to anything or keeping the stocker?
im planning on getting one, I will be doing heads first, then will consider the nw 102 tb. Im also planning on getting one for my Z06 too. im just 4whp away from hitting 600whp n/a (( which I think we will hit even without the 102 tb in two weeks)) but i still want to get it and maybe hit ~610whp
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This test has been done 100 times before. And it's pretty much always the same. With the fast being worth little to nothing over an ls3. The after numbers are right in line what most would expect. So again my point is most shouldn't expect to gain 20rwhp off a fast. Because if this thing was makingg 470 480 like lots of other cam only cars, do you really think a ported fast would put you at 490 500?

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lol

you can't compare different dynos... all dyno's read different.... even if they are teh same model. For example, dynojet allows a 5% tolerance in their dyno's, so you could be comparing two of the exact same dyno's and get a 10% difference! and for all you know, this is on a mustang dyno, in which these are BADASS numbers

The original poster gave a before and after dyno, and recalibrate his tune for the new intake....

Was the before setup a ported stocker or a stock one?

would love to see the graph of before and after.

and is this with a 90 or 102 mm throttle body?
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This test has been done 100 times before. And it's pretty much always the same. With the fast being worth little to nothing over an ls3. The after numbers are right in line what most would expect. So again my point is most shouldn't expect to gain 20rwhp off a fast. Because if this thing was makingg 470 480 like lots of other cam only cars, do you really think a ported fast would put you at 490 500?
how many of these tests did you do yourself?

I don't know if you knew this, but each setup is different. The OP is claiming he gain 20 peak power by switching to the fast and changing the tune for it.

Are you saying he/she is lying?
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Reread what I said please. I made my intentions and feelings very clear.

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how many of these tests did you do yourself?

I don't know if you knew this, but each setup is different. The OP is claiming he gain 20 peak power by switching to the fast and changing the tune for it.

Are you saying he/she is lying?
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This test has been done 100 times before. And it's pretty much always the same. With the fast being worth little to nothing over an ls3. The after numbers are right in line what most would expect. So again my point is most shouldn't expect to gain 20rwhp off a fast. Because if this thing was makingg 470 480 like lots of other cam only cars, do you really think a ported fast would put you at 490 500?

100 times?? can you please share the result of some of these tests?? and who made them??? i personally know of 3 cars that has the fast intake installed ((including mine)) that have seen gains with the fast intake and stock tb. maybe mine showed a little more, but im gussing because of the cam and because every car is different and acts different to different mods!

here is my buddy's none cammed car where he gained about 11whp and 12wtq with the ported fast intake by Clint@air.



and i dont have a vid of the other car, but he gained about 12whp and 17wtq with a none ported fast intake. his car is also cammed. i have my buddy too who has a ported fast intake also ported by ragin racin for more than a month now but he didnt install it yet, i will try to ask him to do a before and after dyno on the same day and same dyno to show the gains and be as accurate as possible.

so three cars with three different tuners have seen gains and all intakes are different ((one ported by RR, one is none ported and one ported by Clint@AIR))

this was the same with Z06s ((i know its different but just as an example)) where people/shops claimed little to no gains over the stock intake, but now everybody is installing them and seeing some nice gains with it. I personally have one on my Z06 that was ported and recommended by Carlos@vette-air in order for me to hit over 600whp n/a with a street cam.

so again can you please show me the results of the tests you have?? because lets just assume I gained 20whp/24wtq from the retune and not actually from the intake ((which is hard to believe since the car was tuned by the same tuner, can he be off by that much the first time!!?)) how about the other two cars??

I dont get paid to say this, so I have no reason to lie. and really I can care less if anybody thinks I was lying. the imp thing is im happy!! If I didnt see any gains with mine I wouldnt suggest it to anyone. but anyway just thought i would share my results. maybe my car is a freak or my stock intake has a defect from the factory and was blocking some of the air which can explain the gains I got from the fast intake?? I dont know! all what I know is that the car picked up 20whp/24wtq from the fast intake and retune. was it actually the tune or the fast intake?? again I dont know
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post pics up of dyno sheets!!!!!!
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i will try to post a cell phone pic later today
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good job bro..

i'm also thinking aboute FAST INTAKE but i don't know it will help with my l99 or it's just for ls3?
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I see gains on all the motors with the 102mm swap,expecially ported with the 102mm TB.The LS3 intake is very good compared to the older LS1 intakes(which gained alot with FAST intakes) but there is still a gain.
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Great gains! I didn't see three rwhp testing on ported by faterproms. I'd like to test that intake on the engine dyno!
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good job bro..

i'm also thinking aboute FAST INTAKE but i don't know it will help with my l99 or it's just for ls3?
no it will fit both, and it should help, but dont take my word. seems like people dont believe in these. i would wait to see some more testing done before buying one
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I see gains on all the motors with the 102mm swap,expecially ported with the 102mm TB.The LS3 intake is very good compared to the older LS1 intakes(which gained alot with FAST intakes) but there is still a gain.
thats what i thought!! peaple are seeing gains with ported stock intakes, i dont see how there will be min to no gains with the ported fast especially in a cammed car!!
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Great gains! I didn't see three rwhp testing on ported by faterproms. I'd like to test that intake on the engine dyno!
wow not even 3rwhp!! i mean some people/shops are claiming 8+whp with the ported stock ls3 intake!! i dont see how there will be less gain with a ported fast! can you please explain? did you test any of the ported ls3 intakes? what were the gains? i have no experience in any LS engine or any other engine, but i still think the fast intake ((esp a ported one)) should be better than any stock ported intake!!! no??
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I'm no expert here, but what time of year did dyno the car without the ported intake? I know that cooler temps alone, will have a positive effect on the dyno. Anyway - congrats on the mod... 20hp is 20hp anyway you slice it...
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I'm no expert here, but what time of year did dyno the car without the ported intake? I know that cooler temps alone, will have a positive effect on the dyno. Anyway - congrats on the mod... 20hp is 20hp anyway you slice it...
its true, car was dyno in a cooler temps, but my numbers are corrected, and from my understanding that it doesnt matter or might have a little affect on them?? since my older numbers were corrected too?? I dont know, im not an expert too
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