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Old 12-22-2010, 09:50 AM   #1
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Are power steering problems related to Supercharger installation

My dealer is now trying to shift blame to my faulty "Power Steering" problems to my supercharger (TVS2300) installation.

Yet, I've had the problems basically since day one!

The power steering keeps going out..

Any feedback would be appreciated!
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:20 AM   #2
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Do you do a lot of high RPM runs for extended times? Also what is failing?(seal leaking,bearing seized , or is it just not doing what it's supposed to)
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:31 AM   #3
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Slap down of a copy of the Maganson Moss act and say prove it.

And if you have documents on the issue before adding the charger, it should be enough evidence to support you problem.

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Old 12-22-2010, 11:23 AM   #4
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hows the heat under the hood? only thing I can think of is the fluid getting hot, but not sure how that would adversely effect the parts.. you will get fade but thats not a broken part..LOL But if the condition was pre-existent to the s/c then as above ^^
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:14 PM   #5
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My dealer is now trying to shift blame to my faulty "Power Steering" problems to my supercharger (TVS2300) installation.

Yet, I've had the problems basically since day one!

The power steering keeps going out..

Any feedback would be appreciated!
Highly Unlikely, since the Power steering is Untouched during install.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:35 PM   #6
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While the PS unit is untouched during install, isnt the SC ran by a pulley that also goes around the PS pump? Just taking a stab here and havent looked at any thing. But if this is the case the added pulley could bec causing the PS to cavetate (like what happens when you crank the wheels to full side lock and hold it?).

Not saying its the fault of the SC just attempting define why it may be happening.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:03 PM   #7
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While the PS unit is untouched during install, isnt the SC ran by a pulley that also goes around the PS pump? Just taking a stab here and havent looked at any thing. But if this is the case the added pulley could bec causing the PS to cavetate (like what happens when you crank the wheels to full side lock and hold it?).

Not saying its the fault of the SC just attempting define why it may be happening.
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I doubt that this is anything caused by the additional tensioner/idler/drive pulleys of the supercharger. Though the belt is longer and has additional pulleys to wrap, the speed at which the belt moves is the same as stock (assuming the crank pulley and p/s pump pulley have remained untouched) so the p/s pump should be spinning at the same speed.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:12 PM   #8
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Ah, thanks Jon. Like I said taking a stab at it.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:22 PM   #9
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Good information here...

So basically the accessories operate is if the engine was stock... Nice.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:53 PM   #10
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When I had Vortech install their V-3 supercharger on my car, the mechanic (very nice guy, btw, he was very helpful) moved or didn't properly connect some brake line that affected my power steering.

When I first noticed it, I took my car in to GM for service. They noticed the incorrect placement of this particular brake line and told me that they would not fix it.

So, I had to drive my car back out-of-town to Vortech so they could fix it. They did fix it, but I was never able to learn which specific brake line was the culprit.

Anyway, the symptoms that I noticed where a very hard steering wheel turn to the left and right. And the steering had some "bumps" in the movement of the wheel -- it wouldn't turn in a fluid fashion.

Also, when I first picked my car up from Vortech, the very first thing I noticed was that my steering wheel was about twice as hard to turn as it was stock. So, I immediately felt a difference. Over the course of a few weeks, the steering went down hill until I had it fixed.

It was supposedly a simple fix. I wish I could tell you more.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:59 PM   #11
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Good information here...

So basically the accessories operate is if the engine was stock... Nice.
That was not entirely my experience. My voltage would drop lower than what was recommended when I had a Vortech and KB blower installed. So, in some respect the accessories (maybe alternator) was somewhat affected.

Also, it seemed like the Vortech supercharger added a lot of extra heat to the power steering pump. But, I didn't take any temperature measurements, so this is just my perception and theory.

Also, I would experience a master brake booster CEL sometimes when I had the KB. I was told by my previous tuner that there was a fix for it, but until he found the fix, I was on my own and apparently my car was unique with this problem... until another customer complained of the same problem a few weeks later.

Just little bugs
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:47 PM   #12
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Early power steering pumps did have failures.

Also If you take note of the Lingenfelter 10 rib kit you will see a new powersteering pump....There is a reason !
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Early power steering pumps did have failures.

Also If you take note of the Lingenfelter 10 rib kit you will see a new powersteering pump....There is a reason !
What is it?
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:12 PM   #14
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Unfortunately, having read that act from front to back 3 freaking times while my wife was doing a paper on it in Law school, they easily have a case.
Although I dont believe that it is caused by the blower, being that the blower is on the same circuit as the powersteering, and the blower not only creates significantly higher loads on the belt system during acceleration, as well as additional heavy variations between on/off throttle transitions, they are well within their right to deny the claim.

Again, was it the blower that caused it? Heck no!! Some of the centri kits require loads soo high, that you literally have to use a prybar to get the belt on. If anything would make it fail, it would be that. We have seen cars that had ratchet straps on the tensioner to keep the centri from spitting it off on the dyno, so I highly doubt the maggie could do worse.

But all the dealership has to do, is prove that there is the possibility of a failure due to something that is directly related. This is why those guys are denying it.. Its total BS if you ask me.

The car probably has a partial blockage in the line, and its burning the pump up. Thats just a guess though.
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And if you have documents on the issue before adding the charger, it should be enough evidence to support you problem.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:16 PM   #15
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We are having this EXACT same issue on another blower car (Camaro) in the shop. But it was doing it before the blower as well.
We thought it was an isolated issue, but Im beginning to wonder if there is a bad batch of power steering systems out there.
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Anyway, the symptoms that I noticed where a very hard steering wheel turn to the left and right. And the steering had some "bumps" in the movement of the wheel -- it wouldn't turn in a fluid fashion.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:23 PM   #16
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I just had livernois install the TVS2300 and no ps problems here!! Everything great.. Just fast as a MF now. :-)
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I doubt that this is anything caused by the additional tensioner/idler/drive pulleys of the supercharger. Though the belt is longer and has additional pulleys to wrap, the speed at which the belt moves is the same as stock (assuming the crank pulley and p/s pump pulley have remained untouched) so the p/s pump should be spinning at the same speed.
As stated in my post, I have had the problems since day one, before the SC was installed!

The power steering issue has only gotten worse in the past month, and when I started saying Lemon Law , that's when dealer said my recent performance upgrades was the culprit of the problems


I had my attorney call the dealer and the dealer changed his tone and I was called back today and was advised that their is a Techical Bullitin out that addresss the power steering malfunction
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Old 12-23-2010, 08:04 AM   #18
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As stated in my post, I have had the problems since day one, before the SC was installed!

The power steering issue has only gotten worse in the past month, and when I started saying Lemon Law , that's when dealer said my recent performance upgrades was the culprit of the problems


I had my attorney call the dealer and the dealer changed his tone and I was called back today and was advised that their is a Techical Bullitin out that addresss the power steering malfunction
It is Amazing how the Cocky Service Writers change they're tone when a Lawyer makes a call.
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<facepalm> What is the TSB? Is it a new one or one that our fine friend already posted?

Congrats btw.
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<facepalm> What is the TSB? Is it a new one or one that our fine friend already posted?

Congrats btw.
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I will get the TSB number as soon as I get it.

Dealer told me parts will be here next week, and that the whole power steering pump and related parts to it have to be replaced and under warranty by GM!
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So perhaps MODS game move this topic to WARRANTY ISSUES thread?
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We are having this EXACT same issue on another blower car (Camaro) in the shop. But it was doing it before the blower as well.
We thought it was an isolated issue, but Im beginning to wonder if there is a bad batch of power steering systems out there.
might could be.
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I will get the TSB number as soon as I get it.

Dealer told me parts will be here next week, and that the whole power steering pump and related parts to it have to be replaced and under warranty by GM!
Wow, congrats!
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how do you deny warranty to a customer who has there GM CAMARO, supporting veterns with high visibility...just plain stupid..the positive advertisement spymaster brings to gm with the camaro, far outweigh the cost for some silly power steering repair..makes you go hmmmm
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how do you deny warranty to a customer who has there GM CAMARO, supporting veterns with high visibility...just plain stupid..the positive advertisement spymaster brings to gm with the camaro, far outweigh the cost for some silly power steering repair..makes you go hmmmm

The exterior looks of the C5 play no role in warranty issues period when dealing with the dealer or for that matter, GM!

What should play a role is the loyality that I give to that dealer and the GM brand. Past 12 months alone, have purchased several brand new GM vehicles , most recenlty CTS-V !

Dealer just wanted to shift blame to performance upgrades vs filing for warranty work with GM... Yet the problem was PRE engine upgrades from day one. And when they tried to deny me warranty, I got agressive by getting my attorney involved.


And my attorney, wasn't aggressive, just asked the dealer to prove they did thier due diligence in that GM had no TSB's or other customer complaints about the same problem!

It was only after 1 hour of that phone conversation, that the dealer called back to say the power steering problem is a KNOWN issue and is under warranty...


I first started to search for answers of the POWER STEERING issue here online at
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112276

2 months ago, before it started getting worse, I was told by dealer that my electronics upgrades were the culprit!
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