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Old 01-01-2011, 02:23 PM   #101
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I want to see it in the Carbon flash!
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:46 PM   #102
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Just noticed, the guy who did the rendering has done a few camaros before. check it out...
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:47 PM   #103
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that's exactly how I see it!!! We're one the same page

Besides, on the spy pics, we can clearly see 8 extracting vents as the rendering only shows 4
Well, we should know by the end of April what the final design will look like. Your opinions certainly have merit, but I still think this rendering will be close to production.

RSRSRS, thanks for the Cyber Gray paint job photoshop. If they do not produce the Z28 in a Marina Blue or Jet Stream Blue, I am not sure what color I will pick. The CGM looks good though.
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:48 PM   #104
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Well, we should know by the end of April what the final design will look like. Your opinions certainly have merit, but I still think this rendering will be close to production.

[B]RSRSRS[B], thanks for the Cyber Gray paint job photoshop. If they do not produce the Z28 in a Marina Blue or Jet Stream Blue, I am not sure what color I will pick. The CGM looks good though.
Besides the wheels and extra-large brake ducts (just their existance, not shape)...I'm not so sure.
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:41 PM   #105
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I love it. much better than the last jon sebal rendering (yes I know we really dont know what it will look like). Anyway, if GM would stick a for sale sign on a z28 that looks like this, Im in. Lets get it done, general-
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:21 PM   #106
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The hood/car model that is being used in the TF3 bumblebee is the Jay Leno concept car from SEMA 2009. The reason the stripes are running down the sides of the car like that is because they're following the position of the vents from the hood.

In my opinion I don't really believe that the hood in the rendering will he the final production design. I still believe that they're going to use the hood design from Jay Leno concept/TF3. Not that it really matters to me cause I love my SS and will probably wait till a 50th anniversary Camaro is release til contemplating on buying another car... that or a V8 manual Chevy SSR, now thats a headturner!
I'm not a fan of the hood in the rendering, I would much rather see the TF3 hood as the Z hood.
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:24 PM   #107
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The heat extractor hood is supposed to yield better better down force.
Umm, how, exactly?
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:06 AM   #108
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Umm, how, exactly?
Not so much by creating down force like a spoiler, but a relief of under hood pressures and some "up-force" by letting the air that get shoved through the radiator escape out the top of the engine bay, rather than being forced down below the vehicle.

You'll see many LeMans cars (Like the C6.R Corvettes, for example) have a HUGE heat extractor vent in their hoods that deflect almost all of the air from the radiator out over the top of the car. This is the same idea to a much milder extent for the Z28s purpose as a badass street car.
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:43 AM   #109
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and some "up-force" by letting the air that get shoved through the radiator escape out the top of the engine bay
Newtons third law:
Every action is accompanied by a reaction of equal magnitude but opposite direction --> "up^-force" of air equals "down-force" on the vehicle... excuse my nediness
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:54 AM   #110
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Newtons third law:
Every action is accompanied by a reaction of equal magnitude but opposite direction --> "up^-force" of air equals "down-force" on the vehicle... excuse my nediness
I don't think I understand?

Not the law...just how you're applying it?
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:56 AM   #111
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Any rendering without the mail-slot is a winner in my book.
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:49 AM   #112
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Not so much by creating down force like a spoiler, but a relief of under hood pressures and some "up-force" by letting the air that get shoved through the radiator escape out the top of the engine bay, rather than being forced down below the vehicle.

You'll see many LeMans cars (Like the C6.R Corvettes, for example) have a HUGE heat extractor vent in their hoods that deflect almost all of the air from the radiator out over the top of the car. This is the same idea to a much milder extent for the Z28s purpose as a badass street car.
Ok I see what you're getting at. Though the reverse hood scoop of a C6.R vette looks much more aerodynamically designed to let air escape over it than this rendering, and even the spy photos, no? The vette's is a clean, unobstructed exit path, whereas the camaro is impeded by a grill/louver design.

Not saying you're wrong, because of course I do not know that.

Personally, I'd rather have a single big working scoop like the GT500, I wont be driving this thing fast enough to see the effects of a heat-extractor up-force thingy
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Ok I see what you're getting at. Though the reverse hood scoop of a C6.R vette looks much more aerodynamically designed to let air escape over it than this rendering, and even the spy photos, no? The vette's is a clean, unobstructed exit path, whereas the camaro is impeded by a grill/louver design.

Not saying you're wrong, because of course I do not know that.

Personally, I'd rather have a single big working scoop like the GT500, I wont be driving this thing fast enough to see the effects of a heat-extractor up-force thingy
Too many people think that air effects don't help at highway speeds, that you need to be going 100 mph plus for them to have an effect. That was proven to be wrong with the first gen. Camaro D80 front and rear spoilers that made a significant difference at 60-65 mph. The papers and studies from GM engineers are on the web showing the differences.
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:36 AM   #114
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Too many people think that air effects don't help at highway speeds, that you need to be going 100 mph plus for them to have an effect. That was proven to be wrong with the first gen. Camaro D80 front and rear spoilers that made a significant difference at 60-65 mph. The papers and studies from GM engineers are on the web showing the differences.
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:51 AM   #115
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:02 PM   #116
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Put some ABM stripes on it and it's perfect!
What Color you want on it?
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:22 PM   #117
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What Color you want on it?
Well, my pick would be CGM with ABM stripes but only because there is no new blue "yet"... I'm stll sitting here with my fingers crossed!
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:31 PM   #118
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Well, my pick would be CGM with ABM stripes but only because there is no new blue "yet"... I'm stll sitting here with my fingers crossed!
I could make the car blue if you want.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:58 PM   #120
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Newtons third law:
Every action is accompanied by a reaction of equal magnitude but opposite direction --> "up^-force" of air equals "down-force" on the vehicle... excuse my nediness
Newton's 3rd Law, (as you stated above), does not apply to fluid dynamics the way that, say, two vehicles crashing into each other does.

Basically, by using hoods like this, you decrease "lift" on the front end, which has the same effect (in practice) as creating more "downforce" on the front end through the use of front splitters and such.
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This is more like it, i love the whole car. The only thing i would put is the mailslot. Beautiful rendering!
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:35 PM   #122
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Newton's 3rd Law, (as you stated above), does not apply to fluid dynamics the way that, say, two vehicles crashing into each other does.

Basically, by using hoods like this, you decrease "lift" on the front end, which has the same effect (in practice) as creating more "downforce" on the front end through the use of front splitters and such.
I think the main reason of the scoops is to reduce resistance of the air flowing trough the front and the engine compartment.
not really sure about all the other stuff that is going on...

P.S. the blue looks nice but is seems like it has a purple tint to it... I guess it's pretty difficult to draw a nice rich blue (just as it is difficult to capture the ABM or IOM on photos)
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Old 01-02-2011, 04:10 PM   #123
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Extremely quick PS job

Dang thats sweet. Cant wait until I get my CGM Z/28!
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The car look good but that hood SUCK!
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