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Old 01-04-2011, 07:40 AM   #101
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:52 AM   #102
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Fun news! I am just excited by the fact that my 2010 will be a classic car by 2012 LOL
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:36 PM   #103
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i know the 3.6 gm is using now is a high compression engine that doesn't require high octane fuel due to it being direct injection allows it to run on the cheap stuff. i see the new engine is also direct injection also. the high compression is helping it make the power with 89 octane
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:03 PM   #104
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Do Camaros run on E85

do the 2010/2011 Camaro SSs run on E85? If they do, can you not just tune them to run more effectively for E85?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:15 PM   #105
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things are gonna get real 'dicey" when those caf'e ratings take hold!...i hate to say it,but the 8 may have to go away,and maybe even the 6!..stay tuned!

sounds accurate!.what we DO know is that at some point,you can say 'goodbye"
to the 8,AND the 6!..putting a 'blower" on a 4 sounds right!

i agree!..cannot believe the general would "farm" the tranny out to a "jap" company!..(aisin!)..don't understand why warner didn't get the contract!
apparently the "bean" counters got involved!...remember!..it's a chevy!,and NOT a caddy!..guess that might explain why!
A few things...CAFE ratings are already in effect. And GM's far smarter than you or I to let those standards ruin any of their vehicles. They will move to make the appropriate changes in their portfolio in order to achieve the fleet average. For the record on this matter, GM's never failed to meet the standard.

V8s, and especially V6s will not be going anywhere for some many decades to come...There's no foundation for those kind of foreboding statements. Become less common? Maybe. But certainly not disappear.

Also...General Motors 'farms' out MANY parts and services to different parts of the world. Warner, who actually makes the Tremec unit in Mexico...possibly didn't make a transmission to spec for the V6 application. It probably has little to do with the accountants, since that philosophy is largely behind the company. Oh....and by the way, that Aisin transmission is also used in the Cadillac CTS.

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So the new engine is a 3.0 liter ??? Or just a modified version of the current 3.6 ???
It's definitely a 3.6, but I think it shares more in common with the Caddy's 3.0L than our current LLT.

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I asked that on page 1. All specs are for a 3.0. Wanted to know if this is just a math equation to come up with these numbers, or is the 3.6 in prototype.
It was all an equation. Outside of the "3.6L LFX" designation uncovered, there is currently no 3.6L with all those specs in use within the company. So this would be brand new...and I used some conservative math to guess at the power output.

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i know the 3.6 gm is using now is a high compression engine that doesn't require high octane fuel due to it being direct injection allows it to run on the cheap stuff. i see the new engine is also direct injection also. the high compression is helping it make the power with 89 octane
Right, and something to think about, the Camaro's V6 (LLT), has a compression ratio of 11.3:1, while the LF1 has a Compression Ratio of an even higher 11.7:1!!

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do the 2010/2011 Camaro SSs run on E85? If they do, can you not just tune them to run more effectively for E85?
No, they aren't equipped from the factory with the necessary hoses and sensors to run E85.
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Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:56 PM   #107
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Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?
We're thinking it's a replacement.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:10 PM   #108
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Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?
More likely than not outright replace the LLT for cost reasons. To have three drivetrains for the Camaro would be pushing efficiency and flexibility, something that is pretty damn important when GM designs cars now.

Gone are the days of the I-rawn dook, 2.8L, 3.1L, 5.0L, L98 options in one or more model years.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:46 PM   #109
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HP is nice but what happened to the torque?
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:52 PM   #110
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HP is nice but what happened to the torque?
It may not change much, using the same math. Torque is a real measure of an engine's output...hp is a measure of power that's more fun to reference, though.

There's still a ton that's unknown about this engine...we'll have to wait and see what they do with it.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:57 PM   #111
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yeah, I guess so. I'm still happy with what I've got. For now.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:21 PM   #112
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It may not change much, using the same math. Torque is a real measure of an engine's output...hp is a measure of power that's more fun to reference, though.

There's still a ton that's unknown about this engine...we'll have to wait and see what they do with it.
This is what I'm worried about. The magazines, ford guys, dodge guys, and everyone else will feel even better about themselves if chevy advertises a "330" or whatever horse V6, that is basically very little to no faster than the current car. Current LLT makes 278 torque (if I remember correctly) and that much more than the current 3.0. Hopefully the new engine will also have more torque than the LLT...

...or if anything, hopefull they offer a gearing option!
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:22 PM   #113
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Not sure if this has been posted but we are on Motor Trends website! it specifically locates us as source of new v6 Camaro leak. Check out MT
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:32 PM   #114
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http://wot.motortrend.com/hear-camar...012-21853.html

Nothing new there though...just a rehashing of what we have here.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:35 PM   #115
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:52 PM   #116
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This is what I'm worried about. The magazines, ford guys, dodge guys, and everyone else will feel even better about themselves if chevy advertises a "330" or whatever horse V6, that is basically very little to no faster than the current car. Current LLT makes 278 torque (if I remember correctly) and that much more than the current 3.0. Hopefully the new engine will also have more torque than the LLT...

...or if anything, hopefull they offer a gearing option!
I'm sure they won't be reinventing the wheel. That is to mean -- I very much doubt they'll put the effort necessary to validate and engineer a brand new engine for the Camaro if it's not going to improve anything.
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:09 PM   #117
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Unfortunately, Camaro5 presents no actual evidence of any of this, so for now, it’s speculative at best.
Yeah, because MotorTrend never speculates about anything lmao.
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As excited as i am, which i am, i kind of feel down about a new replacement engine in only 2 years, i guess its what the 2010 stang guys felt but they knew it was coming. Oh well.
So im only reading E85 in the description, everything else seems to be the same as what we already got. Now i know i read somewhere that our LLT was pushing 325 to the crank in an upcomming vehicle.
I know we stated that this would be the same engine family and it will be all speculation from here, but it seems like this LFX will be really close to what we already got plus a few tweaks and parts.
Still interesting as hell though, and i see no replacement for the LS3 any time soon, that beast is easy to unleash some more power
If theres a new interior as well....well then my baby wont be sitting in the garage anymore
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:38 PM   #120
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As excited as i am, which i am, i kind of feel down about a new replacement engine in only 2 years, i guess its what the 2010 stang guys felt but they knew it was coming. Oh well.
So im only reading E85 in the description, everything else seems to be the same as what we already got. Now i know i read somewhere that our LLT was pushing 325 to the crank in an upcomming vehicle.
I know we stated that this would be the same engine family and it will be all speculation from here, but it seems like this LFX will be really close to what we already got plus a few tweaks and parts.
Still interesting as hell though, and i see no replacement for the LS3 any time soon, that beast is easy to unleash some more power
If theres a new interior as well....well then my baby wont be sitting in the garage anymore
Probably be cheaper to upgrade your exhaust and air intake on your car for the same horsepower. You'd be up to the challenge when a 2012 pulls up to you.
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The only difference I notice in the quick description is "E85 MAX". Could that mean that this engine has a higher compression ratio and is tuned for 91+ Octane? That alone would boost HP nicely and combat the inherent fuel economy drop when running on E85. It would require a reliable source of E85 and begs the question of how it runs on Premium Gas alternative.
dang a higher compression ratio, if I'm not mistaken the compression ratio of the current V6 is 11.5:1 and that is high for a V6
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LFX Replaces the LLT in most applications in 2012, the MAX version only lives in the Camaro (from what I've seen) the LLT still lives on in the Mid Sized SUV's though till the end of that life cycle.
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Old 01-06-2011, 05:45 AM   #123
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what bothers me is why chevy dosent go back to the more powerful big block v8's again. i mean atleast have it as an option. I'm shure that if they redid the ls1 350 to give it about 425hp and had a 396 with around 520hp and did a bigblock big bucks 427 putten out 650hp is more than reasonibal....and have a 4:11 rear axel diffrential as an option would make people really happy also:che vy::chev y::chevy :
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Does anyone have info on the new type steel, Gforce Engineering will be using for there super performance drive trains?

These are rated for 1000 plus HP. I heard it is 300R or 500M or something.

Gforce is super secret about this and they are building a 1800 hp super Z CAR.

I had a conversation with a Gforce employee over the holiday, six beers later and still no details except that he was working on a brand new Z28 Build.

Any info is appreciated.
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it seems like this LFX will be really close to what we already got plus a few tweaks and parts.
I agree with this. I see E85 + minor revisions to the LLT. I'd be very surprised to see a new base engine.
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