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Old 01-03-2011, 08:13 PM   #69
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Hmm if E85 is made from corn like moonshine can ya drive your car on it during the day and get drunk on it at nite? haha.
A lot of great changes comming up for the camaro, seems like it is back to stay.
I have no idea, but it might be worth looking into! lmao
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:17 PM   #70
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I would love that. You may be right about the motors designed specifically for E85, but I do know for a fact the ones they have out now just don't cut the mustard....I'm all for E85 if they can make it perform as good as gasoline, but that may be a bit too naive. Because when you boil it down, E85 just doesn't have the same energy output...But I agree with your goal, a self-sustained American fuel sounds fantastic....
Yeah i agree, the whole "E85 conversion" idea isnt amazing cause these motors are built for gasoline and will never run Ethanol as well because of that, id love to see a motor built specificly for E85 from GM, itd go a long way in proving or disproving a lot of the rumors
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:23 PM   #71
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Good gawd these threads are so full of economic fallacies it's almost ridiculous.

BTW, I do not think TQ will be that big of an issue. E.g., the BMW M3 keeps up with the 2011 Mustang GT despite a 100 TQ disadvantage.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:26 PM   #72
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What timing chain issues.
You mean the CTS?
CTS, Camaro, Traverse, Acadia, Outlook, Enclave...the latest of the 3.6 family (07-up?) has been troubled with timing chains stretching.
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we're certainly looking at it -- but right now, the emphasis MUST be on getting the Camaro V6 and SS out -- and having it exceed your expectations....

Once that's done....................
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:45 PM   #73
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:00 PM   #74
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Good gawd these threads are so full of economic fallacies it's almost ridiculous.

BTW, I do not think TQ will be that big of an issue. E.g., the BMW M3 keeps up with the 2011 Mustang GT despite a 100 TQ disadvantage.
Torque will be an issue if the car still weighs as it does now. It would be a mistake in my opinion to go a lower torque, higher horsepower engine (not saying thats what it would be of course....just sayin). Lack or torque would have to be made up for with lower gearing, or loss of weight, or some other factor.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:10 PM   #75
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Torque will be an issue if the car still weighs as it does now. It would be a mistake in my opinion to go a lower torque, higher horsepower engine (not saying thats what it would be of course....just sayin). Lack or torque would have to be made up for with lower gearing, or loss of weight, or some other factor.
Exactly. The loss of TQ isn't the end of a relatively fast V6 Camaro as some make it out to be here.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:48 PM   #76
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Great find! this is awesome news, lets just hope it makes it to production floor. Wont be holding my breath, but still some cool news.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:16 PM   #77
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Excellent, the Horse Power Wars continue.
I Doubt these numbers and Final. I think GM is only showing some of their cards on the V6.

Now GM show us a DI V8.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:18 PM   #78
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I was about to pull the trigger on a 2011. I think it's best I hold off until they announce exactly what's going on with the 2012
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:20 PM   #79
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I was about to pull the trigger on a 2011. I think it's best I hold off until they announce exactly what's going on with the 2012
You'll be waiting until after April if you do hold off. Good luck with that
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:21 PM   #80
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I was about to pull the trigger on a 2011. I think it's best I hold off until they announce exactly what's going on with the 2012
Well, I would wait only if those (so far) mentioned upgrades are worth the wait. BTW, I will be very disappointed if I don't see a NAV option by 2012, which is the only problem I had with buying the Camaro.
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Great find! this is awesome news, lets just hope it makes it to production floor. Wont be holding my breath, but still some cool news.
The V6 Camaro has to get a HP boost. They have to respone to New Stang.

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Old 01-03-2011, 10:29 PM   #82
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was thinking if they lighten the Camaro in 2014 or 2015 this engine at 325-330HP with a say 10 to 12% lighter weight would be one exciting ride!!
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:31 PM   #83
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I was about to pull the trigger on a 2011. I think it's best I hold off until they announce exactly what's going on with the 2012

will be looking at 2015 or 16 ish and by then we should be in the 6th gen. only decision might be if I want and SS or the LT/V6
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:48 PM   #84
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I guess I'm a bit confused. My understanding is that the LF1 and our LLT are the same engine family, not different engines.

It sounds like to me, they're going to make the current LLT E85 capable, with maybe a few tweaks to get additional HP (around 330 maybe?).

Am I missing something?
Same engine family tree...but consider them "cousins". Similar to the LS V8s and the 'Vortec' truck engines. The LF1 has a few unique features GM Powertrain employed that the LLT does not have because it's a marginally older engine. Just using GM's nomenclature...LFX seemed to suggest it's closer related to the LF1 V6, rather than the LLT.

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Hoping they have found a permanent fix for the timing chain issues.
The description for the LF1 explains an "inverted tooth timing chain" that's supposed to reduce wear on, and noise of the timing chain compared to traditional chains.

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Wow.

All these changes going n.

I wouldnt be surprised if the v8 got some changes as well. We already know a suspension option is available.

Looks like GM wants to win in 2012....
Absolutely. The single biggest different (behind the scenes) between now and the senior years of the 4thgen, is that there's an entire company behind this cars success. They won't settle for anything less than best in class...which is great for the enthusiast!!


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Whoa, whoa, too much E85 bashing here, i wish people would read up on it instead of listening to all of the propaganda surrounding it. Ever notice that anything that has to do with change in America gets a bad rep?

Sorry if i sound a little preachy, and if i seem to have hi-jacked the post, i just get a little ticked when people write things off without looking into it, they just listen to politicians and word of mouth, and im not calling anyone for that but the facts are out there and theyre very interesting especially to us muscle car guys.
Anyways, back to the new Camaro V6 =P
I was going to write some of that...but you covered it better so I'll just quote you with a big "".

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was thinking if they lighten the Camaro in 2014 or 2015 this engine at 325-330HP with a say 10 to 12% lighter weight would be one exciting ride!!
Well.....that's the idea. Though it might be called an SS by then...who knows!!
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Thats awesome! Maybe I can get a camaro again in 2012.
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