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Old 04-09-2011, 01:04 AM   #151
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323 hp @6800 --> Win
278 lb-ft @4800, WTF? --> Disappoint
So in a nutshell this is a beefed up version of the 3.0 --> Disappoint
Integrated exhaust manifolds. So much for shorty's, long tubes, etc. --> Disappoint

I'll gladly keep my LLT.
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Old 04-09-2011, 11:38 AM   #152
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Theres alot more to it. Stay tuned.
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Old 04-09-2011, 11:42 AM   #153
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I would of waited just because of the e85. There are tunes out there right now for e85 that are pushing crazy numbers! Imagine that with the current LLT. Its a dissapointment that we only have one tuner and barely pushing out any hp/tq numbers. Now I am dissapointed and regretful that I didnt know about this when I got my v6 in january.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:51 PM   #154
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I would of waited just because of the e85. There are tunes out there right now for e85 that are pushing crazy numbers! Imagine that with the current LLT. Its a dissapointment that we only have one tuner and barely pushing out any hp/tq numbers. Now I am dissapointed and regretful that I didnt know about this when I got my v6 in january.
Except it has integrated exhaust manifolds, which means no aftermarket headers. Just ask the 3.0 boys in Australia. That is one reason I'm glad I got the LLT. Though it would make turbo setups easier.
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:00 PM   #155
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Here's the 3.0 with the integrated exhaust port.

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Old 04-09-2011, 01:29 PM   #156
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Here's the 3.0 with the integrated exhaust port.

no thanks. many of us are pushing 325@crank with CAI & exhaust anyway. And we can still go LT if we want.
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:35 PM   #157
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no thanks. many of us are pushing 325@crank with CAI & exhaust anyway. And we can still go LT if we want.
Exactly. You may get more from the factory, but leave some on the table with aftermarket additions because of the single port.
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bump it to 350hp already GM, quit playing 5-10 hp games w/ F.
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:47 PM   #159
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bump it to 350hp already GM, quit playing 5-10 hp games w/ F.
They need to bump all of their engines. I know they can do so much more. The current 5.3 in the silverado is a good example. It has ls6 heads on it and makes a measly 315hp. With an ls6 cam, lift springs, rods, intake and the proper tune to go with and you can easily get in the 350+ hp range. If dodge can get 390 horsepower and 407 lb-ft of torque on of a 350, why can gm do better.
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323 hp @6800 --> Win
278 lb-ft @4800, WTF? --> Disappoint
So in a nutshell this is a beefed up version of the 3.0 --> Disappoint
Integrated exhaust manifolds. So much for shorty's, long tubes, etc. --> Disappoint

I'll gladly keep my LLT.
Are these numbers official or real? I bet they get an other 1 mpg city and hwy, maybe even 2! That will be the pay off I bet.
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Are these numbers official or real? I bet they get an other 1 mpg city and hwy, maybe even 2! That will be the pay off I bet.
Before CAMAR0 took down the info, those were the Numbers off of the GM Powertrain site.
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Theres alot more to it. Stay tuned.
So what do you know? Spit it out already. lol.
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Edmunds says there will be a performance suspension option in 2012 for the V6ers as well...is this also what your refering too? Hope performance gearing comes with that as well.
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Edmunds says there will be a performance suspension option in 2012 for the V6ers as well...is this also what your refering too? Hope performance gearing comes with that as well.
After reading it doesn't say v6 it specifically. I think that's a general overview of whats new.

What's New for 2012

For 2012, the Chevy Camaro ZL1 debuts, bringing back a legendary name and pavement-ripping performance by way of a 550-horsepower V8. On the other end of the spectrum, the Camaro V6 gets more power, a new performance suspension option, a rearview camera and new wheel options. All Camaro models will benefit from a much-needed interior revamping.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:21 PM   #165
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Old 04-10-2011, 10:13 AM   #166
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So let me see... Some of you guys are ok with not being able to install shorty's or long tube headers just for 15-20 more horse from the factory?
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Since the 3.0L is light on torque and the torque and power are veryhigh in the rev range can we deduce that the new 3.6L will be the similiar since it will have the same inhead single port exhaust?
BTW. I have the 3.0L in my '11 CTS and you defiinitely feel a lack of torque but if you put your foot into it it will go and kickdowns are pretty strong. So there is definitely 270hp- which you mostly dont feel pulling away from a stop light.
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no thanks. many of us are pushing 325@crank with CAI & exhaust anyway. And we can still go LT if we want.
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That intergrated exhaust port will blow away any type of headers you will ever put on it. It also reduces weight and leaves more space.
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That intergrated exhaust port will blow away any type of headers you will ever put on it. It also reduces weight and leaves more space.
Then why don't the V8 engines have them if the are so much better? Why don't they use them on racing engines? Because they are for cost savings and fuel efficiency, not power. Just ask lotus.
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umm u realize the ls1's had all the same power of 350hp right? it was just rated lower on paper for insurance purposes and gm didnt want the camaro to have same power rating as the vette.
Incorrect.

During LS1 production camshafts changed, exhaust manifolds changed, intakes changed. Early LS1's had much less power than later ones. Ratings had to do with configuration, not insurance.
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So let me see... Some of you guys are ok with not being able to install shorty's or long tube headers just for 15-20 more horse from the factory?
I completely understand what you are saying but what are we currently getting with a full bolt on right now with our LLT? Catback, intake, and long tube is only good for about 25-30 wheel hp top before a tune and before going FI.
I bet its probably possible to see that number and maybe even more with just a e85 tune if indeed camaro do come out with the new LFX engine for the 2012. Now I don't know if they will have the same bosch ECU like our current generation does but even if is the same I bet there will be way more tuning option for LFX than our LLT.
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I completely understand what you are saying but what are we currently getting with a full bolt on right now with our LLT? Catback, intake, and long tube is only good for about 25-30 wheel hp top before a tune and before going FI.
I bet its probably possible to see that number and maybe even more with just a e85 tune if indeed camaro do come out with the new LFX engine for the 2012. Now I don't know if they will have the same bosch ECU like our current generation does but even if is the same I bet there will be way more tuning option for LFX than our LLT.
According to the specs before they took them down they have changed the brand of the ECU. I'm wondering if it can be used on the LLT.
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According to the specs before they took them down they have changed the brand of the ECU. I'm wondering if it can be used on the LLT.
Maybe this is another reason why current tuners are not really messing with the LLT ecu, I know in the past HPtuners didn't even want to touch the bosch on the caddy and our camaro according to their forum.
Maybe the LFX is really coming for 2012 and is more than just a rumor. If I was a tuner I know I woudn't put any money onto the current bosch knowing that a new ecu is coming for 2012 and its probably easier to tune and over top of that its e85. Coming from Sti and cobb's e85 tuning, I know the new LFX is going to be a good player in the game, at least better than the current LLT.
Regardless, I wish I would have known about this
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Maybe this is another reason why current tuners are not really messing with the LLT ecu, I know in the past HPtuners didn't even want to touch the bosch on the caddy and our camaro according to their forum.
Maybe the LFX is really coming for 2012 and is more than just a rumor. If I was a tuner I know I woudn't put any money onto the current bosch knowing that a new ecu is coming for 2012 and its probably easier to tune and over top of that its e85. Coming from Sti and cobb's e85 tuning, I know the new LFX is going to be a good player in the game, at least better than the current LLT.
Regardless, I wish I would have known about this
Its most likely is why a lot of the tuners dropped. It make sense. I wonder why the Bosch one is so bad? I've never looked at an ECU's code so I have no idea.
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Holy cow! Those are some damned good numbers! My 4th gen is gonna have to keep its guard up!
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