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Too High (wow!)? 9 64.29%
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:29 PM   #1
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Exclamation Jan 8th 2011 ABQ SMS Cars, Coffee, Chile, and Speed (Track Day)!

Another Albuquerque SMS Cars, Coffee, Chile, and Speed (Track Day) on the 8th of January 2011 (weather permitting).

As mentioned before, starting January the entry fee it goes to $50 per track day (under review), unless you become a Driver's Club member. More information on this will be posted at http://www.sandiamotorsports.com/ or http://www.sandia-speedway.com/

The time will be between 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM (alot of the time, even longer).

We'll meet up at Hotel Albuquerque in Old Town at 9:30 AM and caravan out to the track.

Details on the Track Day are at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106280

I hope to see you all there!

UPDATE: No Cost for anyone coming out to observe and hang out!

It's looking like helmets will still be optional. However, it is highly recommended you get a helmet. Plus, it will eventually become mandatory soon.

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This is from Jim Guthrie:

Bell makes an open face helmet with a short visor, looks good and is not too much money. Go to www.saferacer.com, www.simpson.com, www.impact.com, or www.bell.com to see helmet choices.

The fireproof lined helmets will cost more and really aren't needed. If someone plans to race, it must be a full face, Snell 2010. I think it is the latest, nomex lined helmet. Some sanctioning bodies allow one step older Snell rated helmets, check with the sanctioning body.
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:59 PM   #2
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Is it still gonna be free to go watch?
I dont think I want to spend 50 bucks to run a v6.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:36 PM   #3
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If this means less stock 95 grand am and other assorted beaters on the track I'm game. I won't make it back out untill spring though. I put all season tires on the car and will need to buy a new set of wheels/tires for the track. can't afford that unitll feb or march.
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:04 PM   #4
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I can't make this weekend, but my car needs new tires before I even think about hitting a track/dragstrip again lol.. Can't quite afford it yet maybe in a few months... But then again $50 is a little steep for my pocket lol. Best I will be able to come and watch/show off the new goodies I will be getting soon... Very soon
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I'm with Rich, $50 is a bit steep for me. I will still come and take pics of everyone else though!
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I'll be in The Dirt this weekend so I'm a niet. :(

I know joining the Drivers' Club is the way to go and takes each session back down to $20.

Plus I think you get "the shirt" so that alone is worth the $199 admission right?!!!!

Probably more effecient and helpful in keeping the "riff raff" away like Beck said. But it is going to reduce the amount of people who wanna run once in a while I think. Time will tell I reckon.

Looking forward to getting back out there but there are def some things needing to hit the Sizzle before she'll take to the track again.

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Old 01-05-2011, 12:02 AM   #7
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If weather and work permits I'll be there to check out my first track day!!
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:44 PM   #8
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Sorry, going to hang low that day! Still have this crud thats been going around! And no I don't have any appointments!!!! Just tired! $50 sound kind of steep to me too! But then again with things what they are its still a good deal at $50! One of the tracks out in Phoenix (by our house) Its $75 for the day!
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:51 PM   #10
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I joined this forum because you all seem to be the only people in Albuquerque talking about the Sandia Drivers Club and the Coffee Cars and things Saturday events.
I don't drive a Camaro, sorry. But I like to drive cars fast, and think that the track is the only safe place to do so in this day and age.
So, the days of $20 track access are over, but the new deal (if I understand the SDC website) means that an Aluminum membership costs $35 initially and $120 per year at $10 per month. So that's $150 for 2011. I believe it gives us access to all Drivers Club events, which includes the Coffee, cars and things events. So after 3 of these at the regular $50 price, the SDC membership is almost even, and the at the 4th event, you're ahead.
Is my math correct?
I sure hope so, and I look forward to seeing you all this Saturday, weather permitting.

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Old 01-05-2011, 11:29 PM   #11
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I joined this forum because you all seem to be the only people in Albuquerque talking about the Sandia Drivers Club and the Coffee Cars and things Saturday events.
I don't drive a Camaro, sorry. But I like to drive cars fast, and think that the track is the only safe place to do so in this day and age.
So, the days of $20 track access are over, but the new deal (if I understand the SDC website) means that an Aluminum membership costs $35 initially and $120 per year at $10 per month. So that's $150 for 2011. I believe it gives us access to all Drivers Club events, which includes the Coffee, cars and things events. So after 3 of these at the regular $50 price, the SDC membership is almost even, and the at the 4th event, you're ahead.
Is my math correct?
I sure hope so, and I look forward to seeing you all this Saturday, weather permitting.

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Yessir. That math ends up being correct and if you are a regular, then it also equates to a more economical year of racing!

See ya there in the Cayman!
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:45 AM   #12
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Thanks Ivan.
So can a person join up at the track, or is this something done via the website? In the first few months of this year it would seem a good idea to have on-track signups.
See you there!
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Ok I'm a little confused. The membership appears to be the way to go but it also say's track rental time is $90.00 per hour?????
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Well, yes, there may be some confusion caused by the wording on the website.
The membership gives you a "discount on admission to Drivers Club events." What the discount is remains unspecified. The higher metal memberships give you some "free" track time (2 hrs and 1 hr) per month, whereas the Al doesn't give you any free track time. You can buy track time at the specified rate ($75 to $90 per hour) and presumably you can be bumped depending on when you want the time, and what's going on at the track that day.
From a post earlier by Ivan, perhaps the discounted Coffee and Cars events cost $20 rather than $50? Makes the math a little worse than what I had posted before. You save $30 per event, which means you have to do 6 in a year to come out ahead over paying the $50 non-member price. Still, there are 2 events per month, and you'd only have to do one event every 2 months to come out ahead as a SDC member.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:01 PM   #15
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Fee going up

Well im not the riff raff but hey I might be depending who you talk to but with me only able to drive down everynow and then to do some track time I cant see spending the membership fee if I only go 2-3 times year and the extra $30 a trip thats gas money for me so dont think I will be doing rack days anytime soon.
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We need Curt to chime in on this. Hey Curt!!!!!
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My understanding from the last drivers meeting attended when the increase was announced was that if you were a drivers club member in good standing, that the track fee would remain at $20, if a person was not a drivers club member the daily track fee would be $50. these fees were increasing due to the necessity of having additional staff at the track. It was further announced that Helmets would be required after the first if the year. I don't recall if there was to be an entrance fee for guests and/or observers. Perhaps Curt could clarify ??

My personal opinion for what its worth; I think the $ 20 fee was a bargain !, at $50 I have second thoughts since I personally have a use of about 12-18 laps on the track when I go, I enjoy it very much though I'd most likely be considered " the riff raff " by some as I am a complete amature and when on the track with others who are there for some serious practice I am holding them up. This I do understand and try to make it as easy for other to pass as possible. I go because I enjoy my friends there and like learning some driving skills in My Camaro with the help of Jim and the other fine drivers out there, I really have no asparations of becoming a profesional or amature race car driver but i really do apprieciate and enjoy having an appropriate and safe place to do this rather than the public streets. (thanks Jim Guthrie and the officers of SMS for opening this to the public !)

As far as the drivers club is concerened, with the annual membership and the monthly fee, the math wouldn't work for me, I plan on going onto the track once a month at the $50 and if there is no charge for observers to cheer on our fellow C5ers. I have no issues at all with and even support the helmet requirement.
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Thumbs up Great Feedback!

Keep the comments coming folks! This is great!

I'm keeping Jim in the loop on this as this gives him valuable feedback to make the track a better service to you.

I'm certain the goal here is to provide a safe place for folks to get to know their cars and improve their driving ability at a reasonable cost. Most important of all, is to have fun.

I don't think the folks at SMS are trying to screw anyone. Like any other business, they are trying to make a profit. As mentioned before, the price change is necessary to improve safety at the track and provide other services.

In any case, your feedback here is letting Jim know where that "balance" is. I know SMS doesn't want to push people away. So, trust me, this feedback is sinking in and the fee is currently being revisited.

I'll find out if there is an entrance fee for passengers and/or observers. I don't think there is, but I'll check.

For this upcoming track day, helmets are still optional. But, keep in mind, it will be required in the near future.
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My understanding from the last drivers meeting attended when the increase was announced was that if you were a drivers club member in good standing, that the track fee would remain at $20, if a person was not a drivers club meeting the daily track fee would be $50. these fees were increasing due to the necessity of having additional staff at the track. It was further announced that Helmets would be required after the first if the year. I don't recall if there was to be an entrance fee for guests and/or observers. Perhaps Curt could clarify ??

My personal opinion for what its worth; I think the $ 20 fee was a bargain !, at $50 I have second thoughts since I personally have a use of about 12-18 laps on the track when I go, I enjoy it very much though I'd most likely be considered " the riff raff " by some as I am a complete amature and when on the track with others who are there for some serious practice I am holding them up. This I do understand and try to make it as easy for other to pass as possible. I go because I enjoy my friends there and like learning some driving skills in My Camaro with the help of Jim and the other fine drivers out there, I really have no asparations of becoming a profesional or amature race car driver but i really do apprieciate and enjoy having an appropriate and safe place to do this rather than the public streets. (thanks Jim Guthrie and the officers of SMS for opening this to the public !)

As far as the drivers club is concerened, with the annual membership and the monthly fee, the math wouldn't work for me, I plan on going onto the track once a month at the $50 and if there is no charge for observers to cheer on our fellow C5ers. I have no issues at all with and even support the helmet requirement.
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Keep the comments coming folks! This is great!

I'm keeping Jim in the loop on this as this gives him valuable feedback to make the track a better service to you.

I'm certain the goal here is to provide a safe place for folks to get to know their cars and improve their driving ability at a reasonable cost. Most important of all, is to have fun.

I don't think the folks at SMS are trying to screw anyone. Like any other business, they are trying to make a profit. As mentioned before, the price change is necessary to improve safety at the track and provide other services.

In any case, your feedback here is letting Jim know where that "balance" is. I know SMS doesn't want to push people away. So, trust me, this feedback is sinking in and the fee is currently being revisited.

I'll find out if there is an entrance fee for passengers and/or observers. I don't think there is, but I'll check.

For this upcoming track day, helmets are still optional. But, keep in mind, it will be required in the near future.

Very well said......
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Very well said......
I agree and support whatever decision SMS and the Track Officers deem fit as the price of admission.

Because like everyone seems to gather, it's much more affordable (even at $50) to really take the Camaro through the loops there than anywhere else around.

No pun intended on the Loop part....I technically "veered" and didn't "loop or spin." LOL

Either way, at $20, I saw more and more people showing up towards the end of the year so there certainly was a "draw" to that pricepoint.

Once a month, $50 is reasonable. Otherwise, I truly believe that becoming a Member of the Drivers' Club is the most affordable way to get out and get your "moneys worth" if you plan on more than once a month on a yearly basis.

My $.98 worth...
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Confirmed: No cost to anyone who wishes to come out, hang out and watch. See you there.
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I should see you there also unless there are any unforseen blizzards.
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Jim and the rest of the track crew put on one hell of a chance to really play with our cars. Try driving like you stole it on the streets and people and cars get hurt. As said before it is all economics, those guys have a huge investment out there at the track, they cant do it for pennies and keep it open for everyone to enjoy. My local drag strip charges 20 bucks just to run in a staight line, and they dont have a tenth of the investment Jim and the others do in their facility.
I had a blast when I went up there last year, and will do whatever I can to hit the track multiple times this year! I know it has been said hundreds of times before but if you want to play......
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I find the arguments to support the track convincing, but the website to join the Club is inoperable---you cannot select a year for the credit card beyond 2010, which means that you can only use an expired card! I tried to contact the manager Dave but get no response. It seems to me that being able to join the Club when you turn up to the track (to get immediate benefits of membership) would be a great idea. I plan to come out this morning and would rather pay the member's $20 (after joining) than the non-members $50.
Let's hope I have that option, as I've been trying to join the Club for the last week.
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