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Old 03-11-2011, 12:53 AM   #351
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Well, trials and tribulations hit home...

Apparently the motor delivered is not the motor ordered... I'll be at the shop first thing in the morning to talk with Corey.

He sent me a text message late this afternoon while my wife and I were eating dinner on the way to Cirque Do Soleil, and told me the motor wasn't right... He had tried to get ahold of the company, but they were closed for the evening... so, he texted the builder sales rep he works with, he sent a fax, he sent an email and left voice messages. He is going to be on the phone with me there listening at 7:00 am... They did send a 427, and it has all forged internals, but, it doesn't have the Callies crank or the upgraded rods... We are planning on lots of boost, so... these were important...

Here is the delimma...

If we go with this motor, are we limited to future boost levels, and if we wait on the other motor, my car may not be ready for the Fest...

I've tried to stay relatively sane about it.... my wife is pretty impressed so far...

I really like the idea of an over engineered motor rather than one that is running on the ragged edge... so... Time will tell.. I'll know more in the morning...

If they can get the replacement motorout within a week, I'll make them get me the new one, if not, it's tough decision time... We waited two and a half months for this one... I do not want to miss the fest... but at the same time I dont want to be severly restricted in future plans...
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:23 AM   #352
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Whoa... that's pretty tough news... I don't think there's any question you should follow your original plan and get the right motor... Car or no car the fest will still be there and so should you... Man I sure hope they can jump through hoops and make this right...

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Old 03-11-2011, 01:34 AM   #353
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Whoa... that's pretty tough news... I don't think there's any question you should follow your original plan and get the right motor... Car or no car the fest will still be there and so should you... Man I sure hope they can jump through hoops and make this right...

Good Luck..
Thanks for the opinion, yours is one of them I value...That is a good perspective to have, I am just so disappointed trying so hard to have it ready, and may not get it.... But, I'll keep my head up and at least wait until morning to get upset...
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:39 AM   #354
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Well, trials and tribulations hit home...

Apparently the motor delivered is not the motor ordered... I'll be at the shop first thing in the morning to talk with Corey.

He sent me a text message late this afternoon while my wife and I were eating dinner on the way to Cirque Do Soleil, and told me the motor wasn't right... He had tried to get ahold of the company, but they were closed for the evening... so, he texted the builder sales rep he works with, he sent a fax, he sent an email and left voice messages. He is going to be on the phone with me there listening at 7:00 am... They did send a 427, and it has all forged internals, but, it doesn't have the Callies crank or the upgraded rods... We are planning on lots of boost, so... these were important...

Here is the delimma...

If we go with this motor, are we limited to future boost levels, and if we wait on the other motor, my car may not be ready for the Fest...

I've tried to stay relatively sane about it.... my wife is pretty impressed so far...

I really like the idea of an over engineered motor rather than one that is running on the ragged edge... so... Time will tell.. I'll know more in the morning...

If they can get the replacement motorout within a week, I'll make them get me the new one, if not, it's tough decision time... We waited two and a half months for this one... I do not want to miss the fest... but at the same time I dont want to be severly restricted in future plans...
Oh, man...that's not cool news... :(

You know...you have plans and quite frankly, I'd stick with them. Build the motor the right way and get it done the way you wanted it. If not, you could very well be kicking yourself in the pants down the road. There will always be more Fests... It would seriously stink not being able to drive it out there. But, .... just my humble opinion, do it like how you had planned.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:45 AM   #355
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Oh, man...that's not cool news... :(

You know...you have plans and quite frankly, I'd stick with them. Build the motor the right way and get it done the way you wanted it. If not, you could very well be kicking yourself in the pants down the road. There will always be more Fests... It would seriously stink not being able to drive it out there. But, .... just my humble opinion, do it like how you had planned.


Thanks Doug... That means alot...
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:24 AM   #356
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Dude...I am SO sorry to hear about this hiccup. I am confident that you and Corey will weigh the options, but everybody knows the right choice is to get it done the correct way the first time...otherwise you're just shootin' yourself in the foot. However, that in no way means you can't still come to the fest!! You know there's always a seat for you in my car...lemme know if I can do ANYTHING at all to help man.
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:26 AM   #357
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Wow, that really blows...

But you MUST stick with you original plan, Fest or no Fest. You should not have to suffer the consequences of an incorrect build. It is not the same, but we gave up last year's Fest and lot of time to "do the right thing". High boost will find the weakness in any part. You don't want to find out at an inopportune time - like running on a track.

Anyway, they will get it done right. Hopefully sooner than later.

Remember the post a while back - it ALWAYS takes longer than you think if you want to do it right. Just the laws of Physics...
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:25 AM   #358
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:34 AM   #359
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"Plenty of time and money to do it right the second time." Stick to the plan brother! I feel your pain but think how bad it feels with parts scattered on the track. We love you the same with or without a car at the Fest.
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Krate loves ya... I just kinda like ya... you know... as a friend

Want us to run thru and pick you up?

...orr that's a great sickle ride in april!
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:40 AM   #361
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Krate loves ya... I just kinda like ya... you know... as a friend

Want us to run thru and pick you up?

...orr that's a great sickle ride in april!
Thats a good idea! I'm sure one of the H-Town guys would let you ride along. I would but you'd have to sit in the back seat... Might be a little cramped.
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I got up early on my day off to hear some good news...
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:17 AM   #363
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we are here for you Robert... you know the right thing to do, I dont need to rehash what these guys are telling you. I am sure you are stressing the point you have a due date... I hope these guys can come through and clear their name.

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You can ride along with me or the wife and I'm sure someone else can bring you or the wife as well. We can make it happen. I am riding solo, so there won't be a problem. Keep us posted. Have it built the RIGHT way first. I'm sure Corey will let you know the best option.
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:39 AM   #365
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All in bro, build it right.. Come to the fest have a blast with all of us, and then be confident and ready to throw down for C5FIII..

If you don't do it right you'll be sweating it every time you put your foot on the loud pedal...

I'd love to see you and your car at Fest II... But I'd MUCH rather see You at Fest II and you and your car done right at Fest III, IV, V... and so on...
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All in bro, build it right.. Come to the fest have a blast with all of us, and then be confident and ready to throw down for C5FIII..

If you don't do it right you'll be sweating it everytime you put your foot on the loud pedal...

I'd love you see you and your car at Fest II... But I'd MUCH rather see You at Fest II and you and your car done right at Fest III, IV, V... and so on...
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1. Did they just order the wrong parts for your bottom end?
2. Did they send you someone elses?
3. Did they try to pull a fast one?

1, is unprofessional
2, that stuff happens
...Hopefully not 3

Your shop is on the ball tho... Kudos to them
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Thank you everyone for the advice and warm wishes...

I had a talk with Corey, we talked to the gentleman at ERL, and all is good...

We are going with the motor they delivered... The guy at ERL absolutely stands behind this motor 100% and said that the parts we discussed upgrading to, are what they use in their extremely high HP 6 bolt head applications. There was never any intention to decieve, it was just a mis-communication between Corey and thee guy at ERL. They discussed upgrading, and felt it wasn't necessary, but decided to anyway just for grins and gigggles...Well, the last decision wasn't written down and there it is...

He re-assured us that this motor and it's internals are substantially more than we will need for our intentions. Corey did say that he had originally purposely over-engineered the build.

After the phone conversation, I asked Corey point blank if he trusted this guy, and he told me he did.... It was pointed out to the guy at ERL that there are around 40,000 people on Camaro5 and lots of them are following this build, and I have had countless PM's from folks, both watching out of curiosity, and out of the desire to do the same build, and they would all have access to the information if something did fail... The response was an unequivical no problem... he is standing behind the motor, and will do so down the road...He was also told the car was going to a national, International event in April and if it broke there there would be some egg... Same no doubt it would be good answer. He also threw out a couple of names, one, a guy running a sand dragster making 1800 HP with a turbo setup that is running the exact same internals, and has gone for two years without going into the motor, and another guy running the same internals with a 6 bolt head making 2000 HP in a drag strip car, and no problems...

All in all, I feel comfortable, Corey is satisfied, and we are continuing with the build... They are still a great rod, they just aren't finished to the same degree, they are same manufacturer, and same forgings...

We started building the motor up and it's progressing well...Joe, Racer778, stopped by and we visited for a while. After looking at everything, he seemed very comfortable with it as well... I know it's not his money, but I respect his opinion...

I leave for Brazil tomorrow afternoon, but I feel Brandi is in good hands, and she should easily be ready for the Trek West...

So, while I'm gone, they will finish the motor, install the new clutch and turbo kit, break it in, dyno it, make a couple of passes at the track, (to insure the car is stable at the launch and at the top end) get the spoiler painted and finish the install on that, install the gauges and the gauge pod, install the line lock, etc.......

Corey will not make passes to try to break world records, he will just be making sure it's all stable with the major suspension changes we have made, and he will be data logging while running it....

Again, Thank You All for the support, I appreciate it more than you could know, and I hope and pray that none of you ever has the oppurtunity to ever say.... "I told you so." I feel very confident that it wont happen..

Unless someting comes up in the next three to four weeks, I'll be seeing you all at the Fest... with Brandi...Yes that weighed on my mind, but I'm comfortable with the decision....
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Glad it worked out... I was afraid maybe you were behind bars after no word all day
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Glad it worked out for you! Have fun with it when you come home.
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When I get back, I have a need for your address. I have something to ship to you...
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Glad it worked out... I was afraid maybe you were behind bars after no word all day
I'm not the kind to step over any lines, I will walk the top rail though....It's all good and I'm happy and excited... Corey was mad enough for both of us until we talked to the guy at ERL...
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I think I was more stressed out about the discrepancy than Robert was. But yes, Sean said point blank that he stands behind the build and no matter what he would make it right regardless of what we decide. I've never had an issue with any ERL engine in the past 6 years of using their product, and trust me we've tried real hard to break some of these things. So Robert and I decided that if ERL is willing to stand behind this engine 100%, we're willing to put it in and test the theory! Should have this puppy running by the middle of next week, get some break in miles on her, and see what the limits of the TTi turbo kit really are. :-)

Have a safe trip tomorrow Robert. I'll send you some time slips after Joe brings over your drag radials....
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Awesome! That's great news

sounds to me that this will be a worry free BEAST!!!!!

If you, your shop and the engine builder are all nodding north and south. That's all the confirmation that anyone should need.

You don't strike me as that kinda guy to make a uninformed decision..

Can't wait to see her run... Oh and if you guys hear a couple camaros doing burnouts around midnight in your hotel parking lot on your way to the fest..... I won't be Me or PQ...

Just sayin!

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