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Old 11-07-2013, 12:39 PM   #7576
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Did you see the GT run at the mile... He has the same control system I do, just more set up... Like mine will be... All the popping burping and farting that people thought was a raggedy running car was the traction control doing what it needed to keep the rear tires from spinning, pulling boost, timing or whatever it needed... The driver puts his foot flat on the floor and shifts... No lift shifts... Stab it, steer and shift, then pull the chute.... Done... The traction control feature will allow every inth of acceleration the car can muster with the tires on it... Stickier tires, more speed...
I saw that car run & took a bunch of pictures of it, AWESOME doesn't do it justice. There are pics of the car in my thread titled "4 cars & over 4000 horsepower" in the forced induction section. It has turbos the size of bowling balls! I talked to the owner & he was a very nice guy, just like you Robert, no "my car is faster than yours" attitude at all, answered questions & was a cool down to earth dude. I thought it was cool that his car is running an intake with the intercooler in the intake just like mine, we both thought we had one of a kind intakes, pretty funny. I'll post a few pics below, his turbos & then his intake & mine, they're both liquid to air with an intercooler inside of the intake manifold.
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Old 11-07-2013, 12:42 PM   #7577
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I saw that car run & took a bunch of pictures of it, AWESOME doesn't do it justice. There are pics of the car in my thread titled "4 cars & over 4000 horsepower" in the forced induction section. It has turbos the size of bowling balls! I talked to the owner & he was a very nice guy, just like you Robert, no "my car is faster than yours" attitude at all, answered questions & was a cool down to earth dude. I thought it was cool that his car is running an intake with the intercooler in the intake just like mine, we both thought we had one of a kind intakes, pretty funny. I'll post a few pics below, his turbos & then his intake & mine, they're both liquid to air with an intercooler inside of the intake manifold.

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Old 11-07-2013, 02:34 PM   #7578
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I saw that car run & took a bunch of pictures of it, AWESOME doesn't do it justice. There are pics of the car in my thread titled "4 cars & over 4000 horsepower" in the forced induction section. It has turbos the size of bowling balls! I talked to the owner & he was a very nice guy, just like you Robert, no "my car is faster than yours" attitude at all, answered questions & was a cool down to earth dude. I thought it was cool that his car is running an intake with the intercooler in the intake just like mine, we both thought we had one of a kind intakes, pretty funny. I'll post a few pics below, his turbos & then his intake & mine, they're both liquid to air with an intercooler inside of the intake manifold.
I have a question...

If the intercooler is sitting directly above the air intake runners, wouldn't that heat up the air going into the motor a few degrees?
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:05 PM   #7579
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Rob,when pat is driving the gt he isnt just flat foot it to the floor on the throttle till about 3rd gear. car makes 1750 plus rwhp spinning on a mustang dyno. He still has to somewhat roll into it..
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Did you see the GT run at the mile... He has the same control system I do, just more set up... Like mine will be... All the popping burping and farting that people thought was a raggedy running car was the traction control doing what it needed to keep the rear tires from spinning, pulling boost, timing or whatever it needed... The driver puts his foot flat on the floor and shifts... No lift shifts... Stab it, steer and shift, then pull the chute.... Done... The traction control feature will allow every inth of acceleration the car can muster with the tires on it... Stickier tires, more speed...
We made some test lap's at the end of the year with MSD traction control module in the Pro Mod, seems to work pretty good.

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Also on the ford gt... most that are twins are running the hat on top of the stock intercooler.. That tends to work the best..plus they have no room for a air to air intercooler lol..
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:21 PM   #7582
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I have a question...

If the intercooler is sitting directly above the air intake runners, wouldn't that heat up the air going into the motor a few degrees?
in this case, the intercooler is inside the intake manifold... Some of them have ice box's in the trunk, some are plumbed into the a/c somehow...

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Rob,when pat is driving the gt he isnt just flat foot it to the floor on the throttle till about 3rd gear. car makes 1750 plus rwhp spinning on a mustang dyno. He still has to somewhat roll into it..
Good to know. We'll be doing some testing at the track to see exactly how to approach it... The learning curve is still steep...
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ANd i wouldnt do shit in a fbody..unless you want to spend the money on the REAL aero components and not just screw some on like Bises car... Get a vette!!!!! pick you up a cheap high mileage c5 for 6-8k..
No interest in Vettes... I'll build hp to overcome the shortcomings in aero concerns, and the only Vette I would be interested is well over 100g's... Nope, I'll stick with the Camaro... So far, our hidden aero stuff is working pretty well... We'll see how it progresses... I know I'm better off than a vert, and it's gone 217...
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:21 AM   #7583
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Did you see the GT run at the mile... He has the same control system I do, just more set up... Like mine will be... All the popping burping and farting that people thought was a raggedy running car was the traction control doing what it needed to keep the rear tires from spinning, pulling boost, timing or whatever it needed... The driver puts his foot flat on the floor and shifts... No lift shifts... Stab it, steer and shift, then pull the chute.... Done... The traction control feature will allow every inth of acceleration the car can muster with the tires on it... Stickier tires, more speed...
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:01 AM   #7584
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No interest in Vettes... I'll build hp to overcome the shortcomings in aero concerns, and the only Vette I would be interested is well over 100g's... Nope, I'll stick with the Camaro... So far, our hidden aero stuff is working pretty well... We'll see how it progresses... I know I'm better off than a vert, and it's gone 217...
If you are still talking about an f-body dont forget how terrible those cars are to work on with the engine under the dash.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:42 AM   #7585
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I have a question...

If the intercooler is sitting directly above the air intake runners, wouldn't that heat up the air going into the motor a few degrees?
The black box on the front right is the coolant for the intake, its a liquid to air system, the coolant flows from the black tank into the intake through the stainless hard lines you see on the intake near the throttle body, their are also lines at the rear of the intake, it flows through an inter cooler inside the intake (think about a Whipple or Maggie blowers intercooler) it then flows out the opposite side of the intake, it then flows through a huge heat exchanger in the grill (think radiator) to cool the fluid before it circles back through the system. Like Robert said, we also have an ice tank inside the spare tire well with another heat exchanger inside of it, with the flick of a hidden switch in the console it sends ice cold water through the entire system dropping intake temps down about 200 degrees, the cold water easily lasts through staging & a 1 mile run. The black box on the left is where we moved the fuse box, did it to balance out of the engine bay & clean up all the clutter. Why? Because Racecar/Showcar!
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The black box on the front right is the coolant for the intake, its a liquid to air system, the coolant flows from the black tank into the intake through the stainless hard lines you see on the intake near the throttle body, their are also lines at the rear of the intake, it flows through an inter cooler inside the intake (think about a Whipple or Maggie blowers intercooler) it then flows out the opposite side of the intake, it then flows through a huge heat exchanger in the grill (think radiator) to cool the fluid before it circles back through the system. Like Robert said, we also have an ice tank inside the spare tire well with another heat exchanger inside of it, with the flick of a hidden switch in the console it sends ice cold water through the entire system dropping intake temps down about 200 degrees, the cold water easily lasts through staging & a 1 mile run. The black box on the left is where we moved the fuse box, did it to balance out of the engine bay & clean up all the clutter. Why? Because Racecar/Showcar!
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I am seriously considering an ice tank for track days. Whipple gets damn hot during even 1/4 mile runs. No bueno.
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I am seriously considering an ice tank for track days. Whipple gets damn hot during even 1/4 mile runs. No bueno.
We should get together, your only about an hour from me, I'm in Turlock just over the hill.
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The black box on the front right is the coolant for the intake, its a liquid to air system, the coolant flows from the black tank into the intake through the stainless hard lines you see on the intake near the throttle body, their are also lines at the rear of the intake, it flows through an inter cooler inside the intake (think about a Whipple or Maggie blowers intercooler) it then flows out the opposite side of the intake, it then flows through a huge heat exchanger in the grill (think radiator) to cool the fluid before it circles back through the system. Like Robert said, we also have an ice tank inside the spare tire well with another heat exchanger inside of it, with the flick of a hidden switch in the console it sends ice cold water through the entire system dropping intake temps down about 200 degrees, the cold water easily lasts through staging & a 1 mile run. The black box on the left is where we moved the fuse box, did it to balance out of the engine bay & clean up all the clutter. Why? Because Racecar/Showcar!


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Old 11-11-2013, 09:09 AM   #7591
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The black box on the front right is the coolant for the intake, its a liquid to air system, the coolant flows from the black tank into the intake through the stainless hard lines you see on the intake near the throttle body, their are also lines at the rear of the intake, it flows through an inter cooler inside the intake (think about a Whipple or Maggie blowers intercooler) it then flows out the opposite side of the intake, it then flows through a huge heat exchanger in the grill (think radiator) to cool the fluid before it circles back through the system. Like Robert said, we also have an ice tank inside the spare tire well with another heat exchanger inside of it, with the flick of a hidden switch in the console it sends ice cold water through the entire system dropping intake temps down about 200 degrees, the cold water easily lasts through staging & a 1 mile run. The black box on the left is where we moved the fuse box, did it to balance out of the engine bay & clean up all the clutter. Why? Because Racecar/Showcar!
Wow, there's a lot going on there

I was only posing the question because I was not aware you were using a separate heat exchanger to reduce the coolant temperature.

That being said, wouldn't you would want to have the heat exchanger located in the line prior to running the liquid coolant through that sweet looking intake?

Regardless, that is one really awesome setup
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:58 AM   #7592
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Wow, there's a lot going on there

I was only posing the question because I was not aware you were using a separate heat exchanger to reduce the coolant temperature.

That being said, wouldn't you would want to have the heat exchanger located in the line prior to running the liquid coolant through that sweet looking intake?

Regardless, that is one really awesome setup
It starts to flow through the entire system when the car is started, think of a cars coolant system without a thermostat, its all inline, so it does go through the exchanger before the intake. I hope I'm explaining this all well.

Street loop=coolant tank, coolant flows into intake, through heat echanger inside intake, out other side of intake, back to heat exchanger in grill, back to coolant tank & repeat the cycle.

Race loop=coolant tank, coolant flows through heat exchanger inside of ice box, coolant flows into intake, through heat exchanger inside intake, out other side of intake, back to heat exchanger in grill, back to coolant tank & repeat the cycle.

Switches in the console=the switches on the right are to select my street tune which is 91 octane, or my race gas tune which is C16, pretty damn cool, just flip a switch & fill it up with my fuel of choice. The switch on the right is to activate the pump for the ice tank, I drive around with it off, if I'm gonna make some runs I just add ice & flip the switch to drop intake temps to freezing levels

Cord & the button=figured I'd include a pic of my line lock, I just plug in the quarter inch plug, step on brakes & push the button, release my foot from the brakes while holding the button, my front brakes stay locked while my back brakes release, I can then do a huge tire heating burn out without frying my rear brakes, when tires are heated I just release the button & the front brakes release back to normal.

The ice lasts for 1 mile runs before its starts to go back to normal which is still a lot better than an air to air system that we had data on.

Iat2 at the start after staging & heating tires 90 degrees
Iat1 at the start after staging & heating tires 160 degrees

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Iat2 140-150
Iat1 310-320
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Once again I'm sorry Robert for putting all this on your page, maybe I should start my own.
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I'll bet if you start one for yourself, he (or any other mod, for that matter) can probably help relocate some posts into your thread

This is all very interesting to me. I just hope I'm not sounding like I'm second-guessing all that artwork.
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I'll bet if you start one for yourself, he (or any other mod, for that matter) can probably help relocate some posts into your thread

This is all very interesting to me. I just hope I'm not sounding like I'm second-guessing all that artwork.
Not at all, I love telling people about it & sharing pictures. I can talk about cars for hours
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Not at all, I love telling people about it & sharing pictures. I can talk about cars for hours
Bro, you are more than welcome to hang out here... I love reading this stuff as well... Whenever you decide, I can relocate the posts to your thread... Or copy them over so this one continues to flow...

I can talk cars for hours as well, often I'm sure people get tired of hearing it... Sorry, it's what I like...
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Bro, you are more than welcome to hang out here... I love reading this stuff as well... Whenever you decide, I can relocate the posts to your thread... Or copy them over so this one continues to flow...

I can talk cars for hours as well, often I'm sure people get tired of hearing it... Sorry, it's what I like...
Cool! Its easier to just take up residency here then, I'll be that friend that just moves in on your couch, years later you'll wonder if I'm ever gonna leave.
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Cool! Its easier to just take up residency here then, I'll be that friend that just moves in on your couch, years later you'll wonder if I'm ever gonna leave.
Lmao... Only build thread reasonably able to claim 3000 rwhp....with only two cars...
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Very true, lets issue a challenge! You & I will take on any other 2 cars on the forum in combined top speed.
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Very true, lets issue a challenge! You & I will take on any other 2 cars on the forum in combined top speed.
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