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Old 01-09-2011, 02:13 PM   #1
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How much tube sand should you put in your trunk ??

I put 10% of curb weight(360 lbs., 6 bags of 60 lbs) in my trunk, so now I know what it's like to drive a 2-ton Cadillac CTS or a Camaro, I'm telling you this is awful ! I kid, I kid...But I usually have a 57/43 f/r weight distribution, since I added 10% to the back I should now have a 47/53 f/r weight distribution(corrected figure with added weight), so I'm like a Maserati Quattroporte or a Porsche 911. It feels like it rides a tad smoother though the steering is a touch lighter, looks like a put a lowering kit on it(the smallest of wheel gaps), so anyways... From what I've read this will help alot in snow, is this a good amount ?



Though it isn't "squatting" too extremely.

1 1/2 fingers gap for the back wheel gap. (used to be 2)

3 fingers gap for the front wheel gap.(used to be 2 1/2)

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Old 01-09-2011, 03:00 PM   #2
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:02 PM   #3
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With all the electronics on a Gen5 you only need snowtires. Sand bags are a very old way to put weight but you don't need that anymore.
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:09 PM   #4
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take that out of there the car is heavy to begin with and you will just put undo stress on your car
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:10 PM   #5
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I have 200 pounds in the trunk of mine and I still can't get up the incline of my street. Even with a light dusting I still have to go in reverse when I exit my driveway onto my street to get a running start up the incline. I've had 2 other Camaros and 2 Firebirds and this car is the worst on the snow. Two days and I'm done. It's in the garage. lol
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:13 PM   #6
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I have 200 pounds in the trunk of mine and I still can't get up the incline of my street. Even with a light dusting I still have to go in reverse when I exit my driveway onto my street to get a running start up the incline. I've had 2 other Camaros and 2 Firebirds and this car is the worst on the snow. Two days and I'm done. It's in the garage. lol
Well the Camaro is 52/48 to begin with, my G35 is 57/43. f/r weight dist. It's just the equivalent of having to average sized dudes sitting in the back seat, it's a sedan so that's like the whole purpose of it, so I would think it's just fine(though I realize I might be a little slower, use more gas, etc.; I am safer I guess you could say because of the weight, plus I have more even weight distribution and won't fishtail/spin out as easily).
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:15 PM   #7
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Sounds like it's too much, if it is squatting that hard, I'd take some out. Like probably five of them, then if you get stuck, open up the last one and throw some under the tires.
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Old 01-09-2011, 04:18 PM   #8
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I have 200 pounds in the trunk of mine and I still can't get up the incline of my street. Even with a light dusting I still have to go in reverse when I exit my driveway onto my street to get a running start up the incline. I've had 2 other Camaros and 2 Firebirds and this car is the worst on the snow. Two days and I'm done. It's in the garage. lol

so are you running with snow tires or the RS P-zeros.....???
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Old 01-09-2011, 04:45 PM   #9
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Rear weight bias could cause oversteer (fishtail spinout)..especially when slippery. Added weight also decreases MPG a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversteer
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:32 PM   #10
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Sand belongs in the desert. NOT a Camaro.

Your steering/control is up front. Putting too much weight in back raises the front end of the car, reduces the friction on the front tires, and reduces steering AND braking power.

I have NEVER used sand bags in ANY of my vehicles and I live in Iowa. Drive like you're supposed to and you don't need them.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM   #11
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I have 200 pounds in the trunk of mine and I still can't get up the incline of my street. Even with a light dusting I still have to go in reverse when I exit my driveway onto my street to get a running start up the incline. I've had 2 other Camaros and 2 Firebirds and this car is the worst on the snow. Two days and I'm done. It's in the garage. lol
My snow tires rock, I drive up hills in 3-4 inches of snowy slush and have no issues......

I had all seasons last year and didn't like them much. I switched to the Snow and Ice tires and it is awesome.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:53 PM   #12
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Rear weight bias could cause oversteer (fishtail spinout)..especially when slippery. Added weight also decreases MPG a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversteer
My car is usually 57/43, f/r weight distribution. Too little weight in the back makes oversteer harder to control, like a Mustang or truck. If there is weight in the back and you slowly, but surely, go around a corner you have much more control. Like a pickup truck with an empty bed versus with weight in it. Also the weight in the back makes it more stable when going a steady speed in one direction, versus wildly fishtailing if you steer one direction slightly ?
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:38 PM   #13
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My SS with Pzeros seems to get around fine in light snow. Being heavy pays off.
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so are you running with snow tires or the RS P-zeros.....???
The P-zeros. I know thats the problem, but I have a beater for the winter now.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:23 PM   #15
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Blizzacks and no sand and I am driving through the worst Buffalo NY can throw at me.
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Pirelli Scorpions on the wheels and just an ice scraper in the trunk. Driving experience is better than weighing down the trunk.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:33 PM   #17
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My buddy had an 03 G35 Coupe 6spd-MT. We drove it after an ice storm one time and it did Fine.. (except for when he though it would be a bright idea to turn traction control off...) traction control and easy clutch use work great.. I would rather take a MT out in the snow or ice any day over an AT.
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Pirelli Scorpions on the wheels and just an ice scraper in the trunk. Driving experience is better than weighing down the trunk.
I think those Scorpions have something to do with it....
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My car is usually 57/43, f/r weight distribution. Too little weight in the back makes oversteer harder to control, like a Mustang or truck. If there is weight in the back and you slowly, but surely, go around a corner you have much more control. Like a pickup truck with an empty bed versus with weight in it. Also the weight in the back makes it more stable when going a steady speed in one direction, versus wildly fishtailing if you steer one direction slightly ?
What you just said goes against the laws of physics. But what do I know anyway?
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What you just said goes against the laws of physics. But what do I know anyway?
Sorry, but(for example) a truck has no weight in back yet it fishtails like no one's business, which contradicts your arguement that having weight in the back will make it more likely to fishtail than not. A heavier car wins in a crash just about every time, that's basic laws of physics, equal and opposite reaction. A heavier car is less affected by factors such as crosswinds or any other forces enacted on to it as well, which is basic physics and part of my arguement too. Yeah sure if I go around a corner like a bat out of hell I will go tail first, without or with the sandbags I would anyhow.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:12 AM   #21
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I put 4 bags (4X40# = 160#) of water softener salt pellets in my trunk and it did help traction on ice. I have the Scorpion Ice & Snow tires. This Camaro is the best in snow of any of my previous cars, and at least as good as the front wheel drive cars I've had. Only my 4WD SUV (with good tires) was better in snow.
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I drive totally stock, no weight in trunk (except for a jacket). I use Continental Extreme DWS tires, and they rock.

I've driven in 2-4 inches of snow several times this year, with no problems.
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Then why the hell are you driving the Camaro in the snow??

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The P-zeros. I know thats the problem, but I have a beater for the winter now.
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Best solution - don't drive in the snow. The Camaro wasn't made to drive in the snow.
Not true...Camaro is just fine in the snow with the right tires. Traction control is awesome.
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JFTR if you notice the OP is driving a G35, so all the comments pertaining what works/doesn't work, or needs/doesn't need in a Gen5 Camaro are somewhat irrelevant.

I drive a '00 2WD S-10. Three tubes of tube sand (around 200lbs or so)seems to get the job done without having a 1/4 ton back there to lug around. So IMO you've got over double what would work.

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I have NEVER used sand bags in ANY of my vehicles and I live in Iowa. Drive like you're supposed to and you don't need them.
Boy I wouldn't get anywhere in my 2WD S-10 pick-up in the snow without some weight over the rear axle.

P.S. Something to consider when it comes to using salt for weight in the trunk. My sister was a big believer in this. She was unlucky enough to get in an accident. The salt bags were thrown around and ruptured which got salt way down in all the inaccessable nooks and crannies. Boy did that car ever rust out fast!
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