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Old 01-27-2009, 09:28 AM   #1
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Let's get something straight—a rant.

I understand. Some people are discouraged by a price that is over $30k for a fully-loaded 2SS. It makes sense that you don't want to spend that much. I ordered pizza the other day without checking the price and got slapped in the wallet with my bill. No one likes to pay for what they feel is too much.

It only makes sense that you want to buy the Camaro. You've all expressed a firm attachment to this beautiful machine. I have, too. I will be waiting for a long time to save for it.

What confuses me is that the complainers aren't considering their options. When you have a 2SS, you have everything. You add the RS package, and that costs money, and you complain some more. You complain that the HIDs can't be ordered separately, and then you complain that GM is going under and wonder why. It's your attitude. They bundle things to save themselves money and to promote products that might not sell individually, like color-matched roof ditch moldings. I wouldn't pay for that either, but the RS comes with it, and that is the best way to get a few cool features in one place. If you have a problem with the bundle, go make yourself some HIDs for the same price and stop crying about it.

When you talk about how a 2SS costs too much, why don't any of you consider a 1SS? Is it so unacceptable to take away ambient lighting and your 4-pack of gauges? Does your current car have these features? I didn't think so.

I think you get the point. It doesn't cost too much for the performance. You get the same performance for $31k. You're paying for the options that you'd never think of removing. They're optional. If you don't like it, then don't choose the optional trim with all of the extra options.

The 2SS is a high-tech car featuring styling and performance that is simply unparalleled for the price. I know what you're going to say. "But the 370Z is going to have all of these other features." Didn't we go there with the GT-R? Weren't we discussing how the GT-R was going to rock? It has a self-destruct button. I would expect the 370Z to be more reliable, look like a 350Z with different headlights, and rock a V6. All you V8 loyalists who have claimed that there is no appropriate car with less cylinders either get really quiet or change your minds when it comes to imports. I don't understand why. In addition, very few of you drool as much over the 350Z as you do the Camaro. They both have hot styling, but you guys are on a Camaro forum where most of us are thoroughly impressed with the epic styling that, by the very graces of God and fbodfather, made production. The 370Z is an upgraded 350Z. They look the same. They sound the same. They even have names that are only 1 digit apart. The Camaro is a new car with an old history. You rant and rave about how you love the car and its heritage and its shape, and then you swim to Japan for a car that has no history with a shape that is identical to what we already have in the States.

Yes—it is cool.

No—it is no unique or different.

Yes—it is okay to like it.

No—it is not the same as ours. Ours is styled with the lines of classic muscle cars and competitors who sell in America and abroad. Ours is based on a heritage with stories of small, vicious animals who eat Mustangs. What does yours eat?

Here is my thesis. Let's get something straight. You're on Camaro5. You are among some fierce and sometimes conflicted American car enthusiasts. We fight over what color is the best and whether we can make another 10 ponies with this part or that one. It costs less than the competition; therefore, it is inexpensive. It is faster than the competition; therefore it is fast. It looks good. Appearance is your opinion against mine, but I'm sure I'm right when I claim that it looks really good to say the very least. It is a fifth generation Camaro, and when it hits the streets this March, those of you who have been complaining are sure to have something else to say. Don't say it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:40 AM   #2
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...Ours is based on a heritage with stories of small, vicious animals who eat Mustangs. What does [the 370Z] eat?...
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I understand. Some people are discouraged by a price that is over $30k for a fully-loaded 2SS. It makes sense that you don't want to spend that much. I ordered pizza the other day without checking the price and got slapped in the wallet with my bill. No one likes to pay for what they feel is too much.

It only makes sense that you want to buy the Camaro. You've all expressed a firm attachment to this beautiful machine. I have, too. I will be waiting for a long time to save for it.

What confuses me is that the complainers aren't considering their options. When you have a 2SS, you have everything. You add the RS package, and that costs money, and you complain some more. You complain that the HIDs can't be ordered separately, and then you complain that GM is going under and wonder why. It's your attitude. They bundle things to save themselves money and to promote products that might not sell individually, like color-matched roof ditch moldings. I wouldn't pay for that either, but the RS comes with it, and that is the best way to get a few cool features in one place. If you have a problem with the bundle, go make yourself some HIDs for the same price and stop crying about it.

When you talk about how a 2SS costs too much, why don't any of you consider a 1SS? Is it so unacceptable to take away ambient lighting and your 4-pack of gauges? Does your current car have these features? I didn't think so.

I think you get the point. It doesn't cost too much for the performance. You get the same performance for $31k. You're paying for the options that you'd never think of removing. They're optional. If you don't like it, then don't choose the optional trim with all of the extra options.

The 2SS is a high-tech car featuring styling and performance that is simply unparalleled for the price. I know what you're going to say. "But the 370Z is going to have all of these other features." Didn't we go there with the GT-R? Weren't we discussing how the GT-R was going to rock? It has a self-destruct button. I would expect the 370Z to be more reliable, look like a 350Z with different headlights, and rock a V6. All you V8 loyalists who have claimed that there is no appropriate car with less cylinders either get really quiet or change your minds when it comes to imports. I don't understand why. In addition, very few of you drool as much over the 350Z as you do the Camaro. They both have hot styling, but you guys are on a Camaro forum where most of us are thoroughly impressed with the epic styling that, by the very graces of God and fbodfather, made production. The 370Z is an upgraded 350Z. They look the same. They sound the same. They even have names that are only 1 digit apart. The Camaro is a new car with an old history. You rant and rave about how you love the car and its heritage and its shape, and then you swim to Japan for a car that has no history with a shape that is identical to what we already have in the States.

Yes—it is cool.

No—it is no unique or different.

Yes—it is okay to like it.

No—it is not the same as ours. Ours is styled with the lines of classic muscle cars and competitors who sell in America and abroad. Ours is based on a heritage with stories of small, vicious animals who eat Mustangs. What does yours eat?

Here is my thesis. Let's get something straight. You're on Camaro5. You are among some fierce and sometimes conflicted American car enthusiasts. We fight over what color is the best and whether we can make another 10 ponies with this part or that one. It costs less than the competition; therefore, it is inexpensive. It is faster than the competition; therefore it is fast. It looks good. Appearance is your opinion against mine, but I'm sure I'm right when I claim that it looks really good to say the very least. It is a fifth generation Camaro, and when it hits the streets this March, those of you who have been complaining are sure to have something else to say. Don't say it.
You forgot that my dealer is an idiot.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:04 AM   #4
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You forgot that my dealer is an idiot.
Your dealer is an idiot.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:19 AM   #5
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Here is my thesis. Let's get something straight. You're on Camaro5. You are among some fierce and sometimes conflicted American car enthusiasts. We fight over what color is the best and whether we can make another 10 ponies with this part or that one. It costs less than the competition; therefore, it is inexpensive. It is faster than the competition; therefore it is fast. It looks good. Appearance is your opinion against mine, but I'm sure I'm right when I claim that it looks really good to say the very least. It is a fifth generation Camaro, and when it hits the streets this March, those of you who have been complaining are sure to have something else to say. Don't say it.
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What gets me is some post ppl are complaining the price is too low. I am happy the Camaro is back and love the retro look.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:17 AM   #8
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But the 370Z comes with brighter tail light bulbs.... LOL
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:30 AM   #10
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Excellent post Blur..... Isn't the Thesis supposed to be at the beginning of the rant though?
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:43 AM   #11
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very well said -

just for the record I never said I was paying to much. My wife might have but never on this forum...Actually she said the car was less than what she was thinking....... So I am adding more options to get the cost higher ......shhhhh don't tell her she will find out soon enough my 7 year old opted for the cat back, air intake, and heritage grill.......who knew?????
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