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Old 01-14-2011, 02:14 PM   #301
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What about an image of a Cobra, wrapped around a Mongoose, that has the head of the snake in it's mouth, pulling it's head off it's body?... okay - that's not a good idea, but I like the image in my head

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If the car doesn't look menacing enough - I think a grille and trunk emblem of that would scare the children. WWF might have a problem with that though... Eh - groups like them probably dont' like the car anyways, LOL.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:24 PM   #303
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i was pumped more than anbody for this car i wanted this car so bad it was unreal. thinking we had a new gm that was going to change and get the products that the people wanted out in a normal time frame. but there up to there old tricks there always last to the party freakin dodge for crying out loud!!! lol gets stuff out faster. and i'm sick of it that's all. not trying to give anybody a hard time. and what does not help is i'm not happy with my ss at all trans, paint, and fit and finish on my car have been a problem from day one. sorry it is what it is. gotta real bad taste in my mouth from gm.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:27 PM   #304
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why keep erasing my posts ? don't want to here the truth camaro5 ??? not cool
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:35 PM   #305
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i was pumped more than anbody for this car i wanted this car so bad it was unreal. thinking we had a new gm that was going to change and get the products that the people wanted out in a normal time frame. but there up to there old tricks there always last to the party freakin dodge for crying out loud!!! lol gets stuff out faster. and i'm sick of it that's all. not trying to give anybody a hard time. and what does not help is i'm not happy with my ss at all trans, paint, and fit and finish on my car have been a problem from day one. sorry it is what it is.
GM is taking the time to get the car right. Something like this doesn't happen overnight. If you aren't happy about your SS then trade it in and get something else. That's a fairly easy fix to your problem. As Chuck said earlier, this thread isn't here for people to bitch, moan and complain. It's here for the members who are looking forward to the Z or whatever it will be called.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:53 PM   #306
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yep i will say it again dude gm said they were taking thier time with the camaros back in 2009 and wanted to get them just right. and what a mess that launch was lol so many cars with problems. what makes u think thats going to change with the z/28 everybody just keep on eating up all the hype and lies gm has not changed.
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I think everyone is getting cranky with cabin fever. There's only one good thing about this time of year. When the roads are clear there's no bugs to scrap off our Camaros.

Always remember that have the half the fun of the adventure is leading up to it. We've all been on a wild Camaro ride for the past 3 years. Looks like we getting an extra ticket for a few more. We are seeing history in the making.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:18 PM   #308
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Wooo Hooo!!! The waiting is worth it, 2012 is gonna rock! Now I get to get on a list (if I can)!
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I would wait on official press release from GM before we start to party... but that's just me.
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i was pumped more than anbody for this car i wanted this car so bad it was unreal. thinking we had a new gm that was going to change and get the products that the people wanted out in a normal time frame. but there up to there old tricks there always last to the party freakin dodge for crying out loud!!! lol gets stuff out faster. and i'm sick of it that's all. not trying to give anybody a hard time. and what does not help is i'm not happy with my ss at all trans, paint, and fit and finish on my car have been a problem from day one. sorry it is what it is.
I understand your frustration, but I will ask you to try and understand the company on the macro level. I am still upset at the 1 Jan 2012 build date let alone the naming conflict. I was hoping for a Spring 2011 release, but it looks like that is out of the question. I was hoping that a fall 2011 release was final... At this rate, with a 1 Jan 2012 build date (not a public confirmation) the Z28/HPE may not even see daylight until summer 2012. I am a Ford fanatic, If the 2013 GT500/SVT Cobra has no competition, it will stay as it is and will not be pushed to excel without a rival.

Does GM refuses to stand toe to toe with the GT500/SVT Cobra? I don't know... If that isn't the case, I want to know why the top dog is being delayed... Don't be Floyd Mayweather, and don't tell me its because they want to make it "really good". Anyone who thinks GM engineers can't squeeze the lemon from a GM product in a short time is sadly mistaken.

There are strategic advantages to a 1 Jan '12 release and as I said before (and was chastised somewhat from some members) that GM is benchmarking the Z28/HPE off of the wrong GT500.
At this point, Ford could take a dump in a box, put wheels on it and mark it "Shelby" and it would sell out... for the 8th year straight... While GM restrains their "killer", Ford is killing it..

If it isn't the Z28, then you all were misinformed, mislead or believed something that was clearly stated to not be true from Scott himself. He never said it was a Z28, nobody did... does it really matter, what really matters is that it will not see production until 1 Jan 2012... and knowing Ford, do you really want GM to release the Z28/HPE blind and benchmarked from a 2010 GT500? I surely don't, but regardless of how I feel things should play out... I will try to decipher things on the macro level...
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i was pumped more than anbody for this car i wanted this car so bad it was unreal. thinking we had a new gm that was going to change and get the products that the people wanted out in a normal time frame. but there up to there old tricks there always last to the party freakin dodge for crying out loud!!! lol gets stuff out faster. and i'm sick of it that's all. not trying to give anybody a hard time. and what does not help is i'm not happy with my ss at all trans, paint, and fit and finish on my car have been a problem from day one. sorry it is what it is. gotta real bad taste in my mouth from gm.
I don't see any "old tricks" from GM. What's wrong with them making the best car they can for us? If you want something rushed, unoriginal, looks the same as every other car out there, then this isn't the place. I'd rather it take longer to get right then get a pile. It's a shame that you've experienced what you have, but there are options. Don't take it out on us here though. This is NOT the place for it.

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Because you continue to fail to communicate in a manor that doesn't involve name-calling or being rude.

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yep i will say it again dude gm said they were taking thier time with the camaros back in 2009 and wanted to get them just right. and what a mess that launch was lol so many cars with problems. what makes u think thats going to change with the z/28 everybody just keep on eating up all the hype and lies gm has not changed.
You've said it a hundred times. We get it. You don't like how long GM is taking. Now take your negativity and post somewhere else. Reading your posts not only wastes my time, it's going off topic. Conform or don't post.

That is all.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:42 PM   #312
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Sounds great but I got tired of waiting and bought a Z06. Congrats to all who are waiting to buy this beast! It should be the best Z28 ever built HP and TQ wise. I will have to wait for a used one to pop up.
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To buy the Z, or apply the difference to modifying an SS? That is the question. Hmmmm
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"koolaide", "blinders", etc...

No one here knows with 100% accuracy the reasons for GM timing, if or if not there will be a new Camaro model, etc..

While everyone is excited, and we discuss the possibilities, speculate about GM's reasons for what they do, etc., take a breath before you hit that SUBMIT button and try and respect another persons thoughts before accusing them of "wearing blinders", "drinking the koolaide", "not wanting to see the truth" - their thoughts and opinions may be different than yours, but that doesn't make their thoughts, opinions, etc., any less important, right or wrong, etc., than yours.

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Old 01-14-2011, 03:51 PM   #316
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kinda excited. powerplant and suspension look good. hopefully it is a z28.
1 thing i will say tho, this "slight refresh" interior will be outdated come 2012. they must make the car looks as nice on the inside as it is on the outside.
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kinda excited. powerplant and suspension look good. hopefully it is a z28.
1 thing i will say tho, this "slight refresh" interior will be outdated come 2012. they must make the car looks as nice on the inside as it is on the outside.
I still think the interior looks GREAT! I really don't understand the comments, from the media specifically, regarding the interior. I like the steering wheel isn't shared; I like how the cluster doesn't look like every other cluster out there; I like the profile of the windows; I'm used to seeing my quarter panels consume much of the usable mirror reflection. It seems like it's only going to have highlights, though, which sound interesting. I just hope they can finish what they started with the ABL. I'd be nice to see some dual-zone A/C, though, because I run warmer than the wifey, lol.
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As was asked earlier, the dealers were at a huge meeting in Vegas over the last few days and just got first hand (minimal) info. That has not necessarily been communicated to their brethren back at the stores as of yet.

I'm sure more dealers will be posting more info as the next few days unfold.
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As was asked earlier, the dealers were at a huge meeting in Vegas over the last few days and just got first hand (minimal) info. That has not necessarily been communicated to their brethren back at the stores as of yet.

I'm sure more dealers will be posting more info as the next few days unfold.
OOOoooohhhh... That makes sense. That makes my appreciate of Becky sharing the information even greater! Were you at the meeting?
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Actually, the steering wheel is the only thing I DON'T like about the Camaro. I found it very uncomfortable after long road trips (like driving 500 miles a day for 6 days, I was pretty sore in the paws)

Well and maybe some colored seat stitching or something, but otherwise, I think it's pretty snazzy.
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sorry everyone i am trying to be nice but this news really messes my plans up. all i did was voice that i was upset with a few things and some people got offended on here and started firing off on me but i geuss thats ok right ?
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sorry everyone i am trying to be nice but this news really messes my plans up. all i did was voice that i was upset with a few things and some people got offended on here and started firing off on me but i geuss thats ok right ?
It's all in the delivery. Let's everyone start over
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Not teasing.


The quickest way to get a fist fight going within the Camaro community is to bring up names - and which names mean what........

We take every element concerning the Camaro very seriously.

I spend more time reading Camaro5 posts than I do posting, and have come across the various arguments about the SS and z/28 monikers. Since contrasting precedence has been set defining the top HP Camaro, I believe arguing over the correct use of the moniker is already too late, but I can understand a desire to avoid it since it inspires strong feelings among some enthusiast.


However, referring to any potential Camaro with increased performance characteristics as a “HP Edition” seems odd to me. Eventually, if the car is produced, various car periodicals and test sites will inevitably perform comparison tests between the Ford GT500, which has a respected history and story behind the moniker[1], and the Camaro HP Edition. The name seems too generic. I think it would be more compelling if GM selected a moniker with more history behind it.



GM has a long history with established branding; it doesn’t seem to make sense to dismiss leveraging established monikers. If I were working at GM, I would attempt to convince the company to select a different name, such as ZR1 or COPO, if the company preferred not to use z/28. It would also work out better for salesman selling cars to uniformed customers. IE., explain that the HP Edition is a high performance Camaro vs selling a Camaro Copo, ZR1/ etc, with the established history and tradition behind the names.


Regardless, Shakespeare wrote “What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet,” and I thinks it’s cool that GM may be producing a Camaro to compete with the GT 500. On the other hand Shakespeare also wrote “But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed.”


Anyway, love my Camaro. Thanks!

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wow great post thepill i fill the same way, as u can see lol but, i'm sure someone on this forum will have a bone to pick with u 2. you don't have blinders on like a lot of people on here you have some very good points in your post that make sense.
The majority (99.9%) of the moderators and members here are knowledgeable, respectful and really cool. I truly understand your frustration, I even went into a semi-depression shortly after this announcement but instead of ranting (which I almost did or was on the verge of doing), I took a nice drive, had some beers (not during the drive) and thought about the possible outcomes from reasonable decisions that I "GM" would make in this situation.

Like I said, I am a Ford fanatic, I needed to come to this site equipped with more than opinion before stepping into the lions den. The Mustang community has grown too vast, any anti-GM statement made on one of those site are quickly agreed to without any retort.. Here I can exercise my educated analysis, which is open to criticism and correction from all members... and that feedback provided usually broadens my perspective, or.. ultimately taken into consideration...

What fun is it to make a educated statement without having an educated response? That being said, keep your head high... I highly doubt my post will be deleted by the Moderators, their first love and responsibility is this website, even if they tell you its the Camaro...

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I spend more time reading Camaro5 posts than I do posting, and have come across the various arguments about the SS and z/28 monikers. Since contrasting precedence has been set defining the top HP Camaro, I believe arguing over the correct use of the moniker is already too late, but I can understand a desire to avoid it since it inspires strong feelings among some enthusiast.


However, referring to any potential Camaro with increased performance characteristics as a “HP Edition” seems odd to me. Eventually, if the car is produced, various car periodicals and test sites will inevitably perform comparison tests between the Ford GT500, which has a respected history and story behind the moniker[1], and the Camaro HP Edition. The name seems too generic. I think it would be more compelling if GM selected a moniker with more history behind it.



GM has a long history with established branding; it doesn’t seem to make sense to dismiss leveraging established monikers. If I were working at GM, I would attempt to convince the company to select a different name, such as ZR1 or COPO, if the company preferred not to use z/28. It would also work out better for salesman selling cars to uniformed customers. IE., explain that the HP Edition is a high performance Camaro vs selling a Camaro Copo, ZR1/ etc, with the established history and tradition behind the names.


Regardless, Shakespeare wrote “What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet,” and I thinks it’s cool that GM may be producing a Camaro to compete with the GT 500. On the other hand Shakespeare also wrote “But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed.”


Anyway, love my Camaro. Thanks!

[1] I’ve owned a Camaro since I was 17 years, legal driving age in Jersey, and have owned 4 different Camaros over the past 16 years. I currently own a 2010 2SSRS.

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