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Old 01-14-2011, 03:18 PM   #326
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The majority (99.9%) of the moderators and members here are knowledgeable, respectful and really cool. I truly understand your frustration, I even went into a semi-depression shortly after this announcement but instead of ranting (which I almost did or was on the verge of doing), I took a nice drive, had some beers (not during the drive) and thought about the possible outcomes from reasonable decisions that I "GM" would make in this situation.

Like I said, I am a Ford fanatic, I needed to come to this site equipped with more than opinion before stepping into the lions den. The Mustang community has grown too vast, any anti-GM statement made on one of those site are quickly agreed to without any retort.. Here I can exercise my educated analysis, which is open to criticism and correction from all members... and that feedback provided usually broadens my perspective, or.. ultimately taken into consideration...

What fun is it to make a educated statement without having an educated response? That being said, keep your head high... I highly doubt my post will be deleted by the Moderators, their first love and responsibility is this website, even if they tell you its the Camaro...

PS: If you do own a Camaro and we met in real life... I have no choice but to battle you to the death.. It is in my DNA..

As Jean Girard said: "Because although today I am friendly. Tomorrow will be war!"
I like your posts more and more

There are a few Mustang fanatics here whom I respect as much as my CAMARO brothers. It is because of mutual respect that there's an opportunity for us to all get along.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:22 PM   #327
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lol i hear ya man cool post pill i might just have to buy me a 2012 cobra i have secretly drooled over them for years maybe all this is a sign hahaha! time for a change ?
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:38 PM   #328
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sorry everyone i am trying to be nice but this news really messes my plans up. all i did was voice that i was upset with a few things and some people got offended on here and started firing off on me but i geuss thats ok right ?


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The majority (99.9%) of the moderators and members here are knowledgeable, respectful and really cool. I truly understand your frustration, I even went into a semi-depression shortly after this announcement but instead of ranting (which I almost did or was on the verge of doing), I took a nice drive, had some beers (not during the drive) and thought about the possible outcomes from reasonable decisions that I "GM" would make in this situation.

Like I said, I am a Ford fanatic, I needed to come to this site equipped with more than opinion before stepping into the lions den. The Mustang community has grown too vast, any anti-GM statement made on one of those site are quickly agreed to without any retort.. Here I can exercise my educated analysis, which is open to criticism and correction from all members... and that feedback provided usually broadens my perspective, or.. ultimately taken into consideration...

What fun is it to make a educated statement without having an educated response? That being said, keep your head high... I highly doubt my post will be deleted by the Moderators, their first love and responsibility is this website, even if they tell you its the Camaro...

PS: If you do own a Camaro and we met in real life... I have no choice but to battle you to the death.. It is in my DNA..

As Jean Girard said: "Because although today I am friendly. Tomorrow will be war!"
Good post sir. I love the line about battling to the death.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:50 PM   #329
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lol i hear ya man cool post pill i might just have to buy me a 2012 cobra i have secretly drooled over them for years maybe all this is a sign hahaha! time for a change ?
Between you and I: I've contemplated this too in the past, lol.
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lol sorry radz28 for all the back and forth i'm in a good better mood now no more goofy posts from me
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:58 PM   #331
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I would wait on official press release from GM before we start to party... but that's just me.


While this news is exciting, I'm still awaiting word from GM.

Hopefully soon!
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:59 PM   #332
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"EVERY ONE JUST CHILL THE F#@% OUT"

The Camaro we have all drooled over in the prototype test spy photos is still the SAME car that's coming out in January 2012.

It will still be a competitor to the GT500, nothings changed.

It will still be the baddest, highest hp in it's history Camaro from the factory when it debuts, nothings changed.

It will still be the "King Kong" of pony cars with a factory warranty that all of us in the community has been waiting for, nothings changed.

The ONLY thing that has changed so far is that we are not sure of the name Chevy will use, that's it.

I will still buy it whatever the name is because I am looking for the best performing Camaro regardless of the name it carries. I think Camaro SS Supercharged or Camaro Supercharged is just as fine as anything else.

It does not matter what GM calls it, but it does matter what the competition calls it while it's eating their lunch @ the track and on the street.
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Old 01-14-2011, 04:00 PM   #333
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it really is a shame gm is so slow its unreal to me i guess i'm the only one ?
Off base, GM, like any car manufacturer is not going to reveal "ALL" the facts about the "HP" edition until production is near or at production as to thwart the competitors from gaining a competitive edge.

Camaro is on top for the first time in years, and GM is going to keep that way, whether "HP / Z28" moniker is used or not... And going to give that Stang community a spanking "BOWTIE" style when released.

My only wish for an option is "T-TOPS"
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Old 01-14-2011, 04:30 PM   #336
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We all should remember that GM said that they would introduce new models of the 5th Gen. at a timely manner to keep interest in the Camaro high thru this models life span to keep sales up. We already know of the convertibles coming that are being produced starting this month and of the XM Edition along with the Synergy Editions that's coming out in the spring, so 6 months or so later we will have the so called "HP" edition. I say that GM is doing a great job with keeping their word.

This time line might possible be due to the alpha program being released earlier than we all suspect with regards to the Z/28's platform and arrival.
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I like your posts more and more

There are a few Mustang fanatics here whom I respect as much as my CAMARO brothers. It is because of mutual respect that there's an opportunity for us to all get along.
6 Mustangs, 4 Camaros and 2 Firebirds... It was my '83 Camaro with '84-'89 parts that ended my RR career 11 years ago.. It was a worked 5.0 (yes the 305), I used the Quadrajet an the Turbo 350 tranny. Yes, a 3rd gen can road race, it was the rear anti sway bar that broke that caused the wreck.

It was a county sanctioned road race, it was 930pm... I didn't have the power some cars had... I was 8th, about to lose 8th.. I played dirty and blocked the road (horseplay). He turned his lights off so I tried to compensate with speed and over cutting corners... I can't remember much, but I remember taking a right turn and my right front and rear suspension bottomed out as I went off road during a hard right turn.

I heard something metal "digging and flapping" under the car (what I told EMS), I handled the small straight really good (the mph/kph tach: those '83s had bounced sooo bad, but I would say I was at 55-60mph), but the next strong right is where I noticed the car was different... I couldn't keep the rear straight, and it fish tailed maybe 4 times left to right, trying to compensate but keep on the gas... I turned the car 180 and head first through the barriers and into the guardrail... I broke my chin, 7 teeth and deformed my right ear (almost cauliflowered) because I never could afford a helmet..

The guy behind me stopped and pulled me out of the car via the window, My K-frame and front wheels were ripped from the front and settled mid door pinning them closed... That was the 90s.... The guy behind me was driving an '83 GT HO.. I bought it from him and started drag racing 3 weeks later...

I will return to the track this year.... so I hope most of you understand that there is an individual passion that burns deep down in every individual.. You may never understand it, and those who are passionate have a hard time expressing...

FYI: I had to pay for the guardrail, the repairs and also recieved a "Disorderly Conduct" Citation in which I didn't pay and a bench warrant was issued.. and spent 2 weeks in Butler county jail to pay off... but I'm a cop now so Sylvester the Cat was right.. "If you can't beat 'em.. join 'em"

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"koolaide", "blinders", etc...

Noone here knows with 100% accuracy the reasons for GM timing, if or if not there will be a new Camaro model, etc..

While everyone is excited, and we discuss the possibilities, speculate about GM's reasons for what they do, etc., take a breath before you hit that SUBMIT button and try and respect another persons thoughts before accusing them of "wearing blinders", "drinking the koolaide", "not wanting to see the truth" - their thoughts and opinions may be different than yours, but that doesn't make their thoughts, opinions, etc., any less important, right or wrong, etc., than yours.

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Old 01-14-2011, 04:54 PM   #339
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If it is a Z, do it like the first generations and make the only options you could not order are automatic transmission and air conditioning.
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If it is a Z, do it like the first generations and make the only options you could not order are a automatic transmission and air conditioning.
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lol sorry radz28 for all the back and forth i'm in a good better mood now no more goofy posts from me
Let's BOTH back off for our Community

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Maybe they will call it the Camaro5 edition.
UMM... This makes it hard for the earlier Post of the Day to stay on top... I think we have a tie this time

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We all should remember that GM said that they would introduce new models of the 5th Gen. at a timely manner to keep interest in the Camaro high thru this models life span to keep sales up. We already know of the convertibles coming that are being produced starting this month and of the XM Edition along with the Synergy Editions that's coming out in the spring, so 6 months or so later we will have the so called "HP" edition. I say that GM is doing a great job with keeping their word.

This time line might possible be due to the alpha program being released earlier than we all suspect with regards to the Z/28's platform and arrival.
I almost hope this doesn't happen because I really want a 5th Gen. I've loved the lines since I first saw the Concept, and it's the closest to a new '69 I think I can get. I still think we have a good four years before we see an Alpha, though. I am only speculating though.

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6 Mustangs, 4 Camaros and 2 Firebirds... It was my '83 Camaro with '84-'89 parts that ended my RR career 11 years ago.. It was a worked 5.0 (yes the 305), I used the Quadrajet an the Turbo 350 tranny. Yes, a 3rd gen can road race, it was the rear anti sway bar that broke that caused the wreck.

It was a county sanctioned road race, it was 930pm... I didn't have the power some cars had... I was 8th, about to lose 8th.. I played dirty and blocked the road (horseplay). He turned his lights off so I tried to compensate with speed and over cutting corners... I can't remember much, but I remember taking a right turn and my right front and rear suspension bottomed out as I went off road during a hard right turn.

I heard something metal "digging and flapping" under the car (what I told EMS), I handled the small straight really good (the mph/kph tach: those '83s had bounced sooo bad, but I would say I was at 55-60mph), but the next strong right is where I noticed the car was different... I couldn't keep the rear straight, and it fish tailed maybe 4 times left to right, trying to compensate but keep on the gas... I turned the car 180 and head first through the barriers and into the guardrail... I broke my chin, 7 teeth and deformed my right ear (almost cauliflowered) because I never could afford a helmet..

The guy behind me stopped and pulled me out of the car via the window, My K-frame and front wheels were ripped from the front and settled mid door pinning them closed... That was the 90s.... The guy behind me was driving an '83 GT HO.. I bought it from him and started drag racing 3 weeks later...

I will return to the track this year.... so I hope most of you understand that there is an individual passion that burns deep down in every individual.. You may never understand it, and those who are passionate have a hard time expressing...

FYI: I had to pay for the guardrail, the repairs and also recieved a "Disorderly Conduct" Citation in which I didn't pay and a bench warrant was issued.. and spent 2 weeks in Butler county jail to pay off... but I'm a cop now so Sylvester the Cat was right.. "If you can't beat 'em.. join 'em"
You make it more and more difficult to hold the whole Mustang-grudge against you
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It is your duty to do so, without your dedication to your brand, and survival of that brand.. The other will wither and die.. or turn up a station wagon...

I hate you, and you should hate me.. and tell a friend that you hate me and why.. because I will surely do so.. and in turn, we will sale 1 Camaro and 1 Mustang and the fight will continue...

What is a warrior without war?.. I will tell you... Its a station wagon or a mini van, remember that tonight as you construct my voodoo doll...
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No I don't really want to kill any of you, but the younger guys don't need to know that...
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It is your duty to do so, without your dedication to your brand, and survival of that brand.. The other will wither and die.. or turn up a station wagon...

I hate you, and you should hate me.. and tell a friend that you hate me and why.. because I will surely do so.. and in turn, we will sale 1 Camaro and 1 Mustang and the fight will continue...

What is a warrior without war?.. I will tell you... Its a station wagon or a mini van, remember that tonight as you construct my voodoo doll...
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We all should remember that GM said that they would introduce new models of the 5th Gen. at a timely manner to keep interest in the Camaro high thru this models life span to keep sales up. We already know of the convertibles coming that are being produced starting this month and of the XM Edition along with the Synergy Editions that's coming out in the spring, so 6 months or so later we will have the so called "HP" edition. I say that GM is doing a great job with keeping their word.

This time line might possible be due to the alpha program being released earlier than we all suspect with regards to the Z/28's platform and arrival.
Good insight there Marine....you make a strong argument based on the logical conclusion drawn from the recent XM and Synergy editions offered this year that this in fact will be produced as the HP edition. Z-28 may or may not be reincarnated with Alpha coming in a about 4 years. Only time will tell. We will enjoy this horsepower arms race as we currently know it for at least 3 more years I suspect from what I have read. Possibly the end game for the Camaro 5 body will be Z-28 model offered to us just prior to Alpha's arrival?. Maybe we'll see a 2013/2014 Z-28. Alpha platform arriving in 2015? I find it fascinating that the big three American auto manufacturers are trading blows and keep uping the HP ante.
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Email from my dealer:
"Your sources are excellent. I just returned and it is true. We will put your name on the first one. No info other than you already know. I would imagine it will be a Z28. You were on my list today but did not get to you yet. See you soon. Kevin"
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"Your sources are excellent. I just returned and it is true. We will put your name on the first one. No info other than you already know. I would imagine it will be a Z28. You were on my list today but did not get to you yet. See you soon. Kevin"
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NICE! Confirmation from another source!
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I think GM is being sneeky and will release 2 new Camaros. They should for competition reasons. The HPE (or whatever it will be sold as) and the Z28 (we have already seen it, the SSX) they will compete perfectly with the GT500 & Boss 302.

The top dog Camaro was probably going to be the Z28 till the Boss 302 entered the scene.

In the pony car wars GM has always followed (and bettered in my opinion) Ford, but we must thank Ford for starting it (and for giving us the GT40 & Cobra).
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