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Old 01-14-2011, 06:17 PM   #351
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6 Mustangs, 4 Camaros and 2 Firebirds... It was my '83 Camaro with '84-'89 parts that ended my RR career 11 years ago.. It was a worked 5.0 (yes the 305), I used the Quadrajet an the Turbo 350 tranny. Yes, a 3rd gen can road race, it was the rear anti sway bar that broke that caused the wreck.

It was a county sanctioned road race, it was 930pm... I didn't have the power some cars had... I was 8th, about to lose 8th.. I played dirty and blocked the road (horseplay). He turned his lights off so I tried to compensate with speed and over cutting corners... I can't remember much, but I remember taking a right turn and my right front and rear suspension bottomed out as I went off road during a hard right turn.

I heard something metal "digging and flapping" under the car (what I told EMS), I handled the small straight really good (the mph/kph tach: those '83s had bounced sooo bad, but I would say I was at 55-60mph), but the next strong right is where I noticed the car was different... I couldn't keep the rear straight, and it fish tailed maybe 4 times left to right, trying to compensate but keep on the gas... I turned the car 180 and head first through the barriers and into the guardrail... I broke my chin, 7 teeth and deformed my right ear (almost cauliflowered) because I never could afford a helmet..

The guy behind me stopped and pulled me out of the car via the window, My K-frame and front wheels were ripped from the front and settled mid door pinning them closed... That was the 90s.... The guy behind me was driving an '83 GT HO.. I bought it from him and started drag racing 3 weeks later...

I will return to the track this year.... so I hope most of you understand that there is an individual passion that burns deep down in every individual.. You may never understand it, and those who are passionate have a hard time expressing...

FYI: I had to pay for the guardrail, the repairs and also recieved a "Disorderly Conduct" Citation in which I didn't pay and a bench warrant was issued.. and spent 2 weeks in Butler county jail to pay off... but I'm a cop now so Sylvester the Cat was right.. "If you can't beat 'em.. join 'em"
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:30 PM   #353
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A few words from the "opposition" if I may. As a blue blooded Ford aficionado, even I can admit to some excitement for the GM camp. Whatever moniker adorns the upcoming Uber Camaro, I have no doubt that it will pack more technology and performance than Chevrolet has ever offered to the public in their version of the pony car. It should be one hell of a ride.

A few things have piqued my interest, most notably, the wheel/tire sizing.



The GT500 community has been begging Ford to upgrade to similar wheel/tire sizes for a few years now. Ford has increased power and decreased weight, but has done nothing (beyond a move to a 265 up front on an SVT PP GT500) with regards to better traction. A 285 out back has failed miserably at putting power to the ground (and yet there are cries for more power!). As mentioned, the weight of the OP's tire sizes would definitely cross a threshold. Unsprung weight is a NVH killer, along with increased rolling resistance (decreased MPG) via more rubber to the road. As an enthusiast, I'd love to see GM pull this one off, especially in light of the impending "green takeover" looming in the near future. If not, I'm sure that just as S197 owners have to do (rear bumpstop bracket trimming, shock boot elimination, carefully chosen offset specs) Z28 owners will be stuffing the widest possible rubber combinations possible under the fenders.wn S197 product development team meetings - I'm all ears.
Absolutely, Ford needs a bigger tire out back for traction, each suspension system has advantages (for drag racing).
Unsprung weight (USW): Unsprung weight can cause wheel hop without the the right amount of rubber. USW though offers better traction in hard acceleration from a dig. Anyone who lives in a winter snow state will try to simulate tire weight by loading the trunk/bed to gain traction. Nothing can truly simulate wheel weight like actual wheel weight/axle weight. Drag racers love the even, left to right power transfer and the heavy USW helps from the dig.

Cheese and Wine F1 guys try to simulate SRA handling with downforce (imaginary weight, with no real weight added) because a solid axle will not work in a mid engine car that has wheels that extend beyond the body. IRS is heavy overall (for now), but unless the proper 6 link is used, its just as common as a home made go-kart. Unsprung is reduced, sprung weight is increased (which is directly responsible for body roll)... The suspension is doing less work?.. yes... the entire car is suffering from weight?... also yes... If Ford were to use 305s, it would hook and handle.. If Ford were to use say... the GT350 suspension with the same 285s?.. well, thats that "simulated" weight I was talking about. In this case though, it is the damper and springs that simulate.
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:38 PM   #354
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:38 PM   #355
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They bought the rights.
Did they buy the rights, or are they "leasing" the name? I dont think they will call this car the zl1, but i dont think gm would sell the rights for that moniker either.

Remember all those people that argued against just modding an SS for cheaper then a z28 will cost, just because it wouldnt have the prestige of being called a z28. If its not called a z28, there will be some POed people for that reason. I dont really care what its called. It looks to be a fun ride. And hopefully the 335 wasnt a typo or mistake on someones part.
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:43 PM   #356
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Did they buy the rights, or are they "leasing" the name? I dont think they will call this car the zl1, but i dont think gm would sell the rights for that moniker either.

Remember all those people that argued against just modding an SS for cheaper then a z28 will cost, just because it wouldnt have the prestige of being called a z28. If its not called a z28, there will be some POed people for that reason. I dont really care what its called. It looks to be a fun ride. And hopefully the 335 wasnt a typo or mistake on someones part.
From what I understand GM didn't renew their right. So SLP jumped and grabbed it.
I really think the 330 is a typo or mistake.
305 or 315 is more like it.
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:44 PM   #357
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OK, thanks. That takes care of using ZL1 instead of Z28.
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I understand there was more to it. But the z28 was not the high horsepower application originaly. That was my point
And from a performance standpoint (rather than simple HP ratings) your point would be invalid.
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:55 PM   #359
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If not Z/28, then what.
RS. In use
SS. In use
IROC. GM doesn't own it.
Panther. The Camaro's pre-production name. Not likely.
Z/29. God I hope not.

Don't get me wrong, I will have the top model "alpha platformed" Camaro, no matter what its name is. I'm just trying to figure out what else it could be named.
Well, you've got quite a wait for an Alpha platform model, the current Camaro is on Zeta II and an Alpha Camaro is not likely to be seen prior to 2015 or so.
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Who said they weren't? Yes RPO Z-28 was available in '67 and 602 were built. The point was it was just and RPO code until early/mid '68 when it was decided to officially give it the Z/28 name from the RPO code and they started putting Z/28 emblems on the cars.
It was called a Z/28 from it's very first presentation to the automotive press in 1967 (October of that year I think). So it was called and named Z/28 from the day it was announced, it took a while before they decided to put emblems on them, originally in '67/'68 the wide "rally stripes" were Z/28 only, so they felt no need to put emblems on them. Eventually the stripes could be ordered on any Camaro.
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:05 PM   #361
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CAMARO MONGOOSE EDITION That'll get those Cobra guys' attention
There was a limited edition performance sports car with Chevrolet engines made in the '70s to compete with the Shelby AC Cobra and it was called ...........the Mongoose! I don't think the company is still around, very few made and probably very few still exist.
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:14 PM   #362
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If it is a Z, do it like the first generations and make the only options you could not order are a automatic transmission and air conditioning.
You forgot convertible, first gen. Z/28s could not be ordered as a vert. Though there was one built for Pete Estes, who if I remember correctly was a Chevy VP back in the day.
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305 or 315 is more like it.
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What state out of curiosity?
PA, Just north of Pittsburgh.. every year they have a "back to the 50s" fest. Drag racing, Auto cross, burn outs and car show...
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:26 PM   #365
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Really enjoying all the differant views here, and it just makes me hungry to get my new camaro. I even made my very first post here pertaining to this thread after waiting in the background and learning as much as possible to get the best possible beast with a full factory warrenty!

Yeah I could get an SS and mode it to death like I did with my 87 Grand National, but i"m older and more mature now (coughs), so I want a warrenty this time.

To the tree hungers I paid my dues and drove several Honda Accords (kids family man), but now its time MPG's be damned its time for me again!

I remember th Rumble of my brothers IROC, boy that was sweet, he is currently driving a Mustang 2006 GT . I told him hey the new Z28 is coming out soon and his responce was WTF geeze why didn't they keep making them. So maybe I can convert him from the dark side when he see's mine .

I really hope will see some more colors available when these come out, I plan on keeping it mostly stock except for a number of cosmetic improvements along the way.

Hopefully if they come out with two versions wil be able to see both versions before we make a decision on our final choice. I would hate to buy one and find out three months latter that I really wanted the other one instead!

I'm getting anxious and I know it's going to be awhile before ones in my driveway, so I need to be patient and have my seditative now. Oh nurse (my very understanding wife), have that shot of Jack ready for me yet?


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From what I understand GM didn't renew their right. So SLP jumped and grabbed it.
I really think the 330 is a typo or mistake.
305 or 315 is more like it.
But go look at those spy shots again....consider that the fronts are 285s....and then see how big the rears look in comparison? 330 might actually be legit! Z06 has 275f 325r.....

I can imagine from an engineering/handling perspective they wanted to keep that rear end STUCK when you accelerate out of a corner...and that's very hard to do with 'standard' rubber (look no further than the GT500).


A lot of posts in here........I was going to try and read them all....back when it was only 8 pages long....so I guess I'll have to start here.
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:55 PM   #367
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I know someone out there can answer this question for me. ZL1 was an original Chevy/GM name. How did it become exclusive to SLP so that Chevy cannot use it any longer? Thanks, for the help.
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From what I understand GM didn't renew their right. So SLP jumped and grabbed it.
I know that SLP works closely with GM and in the past they did the conversions of Z/28 to SS for GM, but I'am not totally sold on GM not being able to use the ZL-1 moniker on their top of the line Camaro.

SLP is using the production Camaro convertibles wheels on the ZL edition cars it is producing and it is using the same ram air hood design that was first revealed in the GM Design studio's photo of the then proposed Z/28 model which is similar to the current TF3 edition Bumble Bee Camaro. So my take on all this cross sharing between GM and SLP is that nothing is off the table when it comes to what the name may be, ZL-1 or what ever it will be called. If GM can let SLP use it's designed products on their cars, I am sure that SLP can surely let GM use it's products seeing how the ZL editions are limited edition runs each year. Just a little food for thought.
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If GM can let SLP use it's designed products on their cars, I am sure that SLP can surely let GM use it's products seeing how the ZL editions are limited edition runs each year. Just a little food for thought.
SLP was inspired by GM's design...is a much more accurate statement. They don't do the same close work that they used to...I think the bulk of that dissappeared when GM took the "Z28-SS" production in-house for the final years of the 4th gen.

SLP designed that hood themselves. The fact is looks eerily similar to what we thought was an early Z28 rendition is...intentional coincidence.

So there may be more truth to that ZL-1 'factoid' than we think. I don't know for sure, though.
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Thanks for the info even tho we still cannot say for sure what moniker the "Ultra Z" will hold.
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Thanks for the info even tho we still cannot say for sure what moniker the "Ultra Z" will hold.
Which sucks....I wanna know!!!!

Hopefully they'll figure it out soon, though. Think of all the marketing material and records and badging and embroidery....they've got to get the name nailed down!!!

And I just want to let slip:

I vote
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I think they might want to honor the place where th camaro will be made and will just call it
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But go look at those spy shots again....consider that the fronts are 285s....and then see how big the rears look in comparison? 330 might actually be legit! Z06 has 275f 325r.....

I can imagine from an engineering/handling perspective they wanted to keep that rear end STUCK when you accelerate out of a corner...and that's very hard to do with 'standard' rubber (look no further than the GT500).


A lot of posts in here........I was going to try and read them all....back when it was only 8 pages long....so I guess I'll have to start here.
I would think maybe a 325 or 335 tire. I've never heard of a 330 tire. I even checked Tirerack for a 330/20" tire and there were zero results.
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I would think maybe a 325 or 335 tire. I've never heard of a 330 tire. I even checked Tirerack for a 330/20" tire and there were zero results.
Could be. Either way they're friggin' WIDE......which alone will help to put the performance of it over the top.
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Could be. Either way they're friggin' WIDE......which alone will help to put the performance of it over the top.
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