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Old 01-13-2011, 07:59 PM   #201
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The original Z was just a normal Camaro with suspension upgrades
Kinda like the Z51 Corvette was just an internal code as well.
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I'm confused as to how this is relevant for the current model (to be)? Or are you talking future iterations of v8 performance cars?
I believe it is just an FYI to those who are uneasy about paying $50+ for a V8 now. Eventually, I see V8s being dropped as a standard model and offered as an option just so GM/Ford can exploit a CAFE loop hole. Eliminating V8s from the standard line up could exclude them from the CAFE average...

One day, we may all wake up in a Madd Maxx type setting, safeguarding the last V8.. wondering "If there is only one V8 left in the world, what ruined the environment and economy?"
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:09 PM   #203
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Magnetic ride control is HUGE.

The model name affixed to the fender is not.

But please, Fbodfather, beg the powers-that-be to make a convertible version! GM would sell every one they could make and a HP convertible would be an instant classic.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:14 PM   #204
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The original Z was just a normal Camaro with suspension upgrades
Kinda like the Z51 Corvette was just an internal code as well.

GS Corvette is now Z52
NOT!! And you've been through how many of these discussions? (at least a few as you've been here for a good while) The original Z/28 was absolutely never what you just described. Perhaps you need to re-read some of those dozens if not hundreds of discussions about Z/28 heritage.
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The original Z was just a normal Camaro with suspension upgrades
Kinda like the Z51 Corvette was just an internal code as well.

GS Corvette is now Z52
This is what I don't understand, everyone is talking about how great the Z/28 is over the SS... The Z/28's of the past were not much more than the normal Camaro or SS etc... the 4th gen in fact the Z/28 had less HP... Reminds me of the 40 year old virgin, you guys are putting the Z/28 on a pedestal.

Don't get me wrong, I think if they do the Z again yeah it should be bangin!! An all out Stang (of any caliber aside from aftermarket modding) killer. I honestly don't understand why this HP Edition can't be called a Z/28 It has upgraded power and suspension... typical of the Z/28's of the past. If they don't call this one a Z/28, I think that's because they have something bigger and better lying in the shadows. As others mentioned maybe for the Alpha platform, but still there is no reason not to release one for the current platform. And if they don't have something bigger and better for this current platform then why not call the HP Edition a Z/28? RS, SS, Z/28 all recognized on the Camaro's since the beginning... why add something new to the mix now? ZL-1? Why? TH e ZL-1 of the past was faster and more powerful than the Z-28... but you already know this... so again why add a emblem we have not seen before?
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I dont think this was supposed to be released to the general public. In all this detail. I sure hope someone didnt sign a agreement.
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Wow, this thread took off fast, almost ten pages in no time.....I wonder if we are close to any speed records for pages covered....
I must say we have been starvin for stuff to talk about though...
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:26 PM   #209
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I don't care what they call it... I just want the SC they use on EVIL. I've been holding off on a SC for this very reason... I want the Z-28/HPE's SC... Just to keep it all in the family... So to speak.
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This is what I don't understand, everyone is talking about how great the Z/28 is over the SS... The Z/28's of the past were not much more than the normal Camaro or SS etc... the 4th gen in fact the Z/28 had less HP... Reminds me of the 40 year old virgin, you guys are putting the Z/28 on a pedestal.

Don't get me wrong, I think if they do the Z again yeah it should be bangin!! An all out Stang (of any caliber aside from aftermarket modding) killer. I honestly don't understand why this HP Edition can't be called a Z/28 It has upgraded power and suspension... typical of the Z/28's of the past. If they don't call this one a Z/28, I think that's because they have something bigger and better lying in the shadows. As others mentioned maybe for the Alpha platform, but still there is no reason not to release one for the current platform. And if they don't have something bigger and better for this current platform then why not call the HP Edition a Z/28? RS, SS, Z/28 all recognized on the Camaro's since the beginning... why add something new to the mix now? ZL-1? Why? TH e ZL-1 of the past was faster and more powerful than the Z-28... but you already know this... so again why add a emblem we have not seen before?
I don't think anybody is saying that this HP Edition or whatever really should not be called Z/28, I think it is a question about the certainty of what the new one will be called as it has not been publicly confirmed by Chevrolet (a national dealers meeting is not public confirmation). ZL1 is already in use on new Camaros by SLP I believe, so there should be no question there. And yet again, "putting the Z/28 on a pedestal" and "not much more than a normal Camaro, etc." tells me that you either have limited knowledge of the first gen. Z/28s and their heritage, or you choose to ignore it. Look at some of the ignorance perpetuated in one of the other current Z/28 threads about the 302cid engine being a "stroked 283" rather than the reality of it being a de-stroked 327cid. The new Camaro model coming out will be named whatever Chevrolet wants to name it, regardless of the name I think it will be an awesome performer.
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I'm hard pressed to come up with what they would call it other than Z/28. And I'm really confused as the why. The "HP" model will have a minimum of 550hp. I can't really believe GM is going to come out with a third Camaro model that tops the "HP" model. The only reason that I can think of, is maybe their waiting on the new alpha based car to use the Z/28 name on.
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......well worth the investment......and a bargain if I might ad.....
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:40 PM   #213
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I think after all of the rumor and talk that Chevy wouldn't risk not calling this high powered camaro the Z28.

What does concern me a little is the potential for this car of having a sticker price over $60k with some of those goodies mentioned.

Personally I could do without the shocks and the louvered hood (I don't really feel it on a z28 concept). I'm all for the powertrain, but IMO chevy should focus more on maximizing the power output so that at least it doesn't fall short of the existing Zl585 (which is already a super hot performer). This new Z is going to have a lot of work to do against the current slp camaro and the gt500, so more go and less glitter would be better IMO.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:49 PM   #214
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:53 PM   #215
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I'll have to see a production intent model before I get excited. Right now, it' still just numbers on paper.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:57 PM   #216
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Transmission and tires

No mention of transmission availability - too many high performance cars don't offer automatics - the faster/convenient choice.

Re tires: Make mine sanity - no riding on the rims. Just enough tire/wheel for the brakes to fit - not for encouraging the current fad. Maybe some tattoos someplace?
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I know some will be disappointed if the Z/28 nameplate isn't going to used on the upcoming "HP" edition Camaro, but stop and think of this point: If I told you back in 2005 that not only was GM going to bring back the Camaro, that it would look as good as this car does, perform as well as this one does, and offer a SS version with 426 HP, wouldn't you have been shocked into disbelief? Now factor in a "HP" model that has been the topic on this thread, and you just have to thank your lucky stars that you may ACTUALLY BUY THIS CAR next year!
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NOT!! And you've been through how many of these discussions? (at least a few as you've been here for a good while) The original Z/28 was absolutely never what you just described. Perhaps you need to re-read some of those dozens if not hundreds of discussions about Z/28 heritage.
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I'm hard pressed to come up with what they would call it other than Z/28. And I'm really confused as the why. The "HP" model will have a minimum of 550hp. I can't really believe GM is going to come out with a third Camaro model that tops the "HP" model. The only reason that I can think of, is maybe their waiting on the new alpha based car to use the Z/28 name on.

This is what I'm talking about.
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Wow, alright, now here's a hot topic. That's what I'm talking about!!!!!

Before I proceed, I just want to state that my following few sentences are meant to be written in the most respectful demeanor and tone. With that being said I begin. Disregard the first four paragraphs if you don't have time, or not interested in a rant.

I just want to get something out of my chest. It irks me to see a lot of 5th Gen owners trying to keep their mileage down, and trade up for the Z/28 or HP Edition/what-have-you ... I know, I know ... To each his own.

However, I put 14,200+ miles on mine. Had her 10 months and 1 day now (delivered March 13th, 2010 - a day never to be forgotten). Out of those ten months, I drove her for about 8, or just short of that amount. The total amount of miles has stayed the same since I put her ("Sexy" Lexie Black SSRS - No mods yet) in my buddy's garage.

I bought the car because I'm a FANATIC! I love her soooo much, that I'm going to drive her any chance I get. I live in Jersey, and although I've got well over 300,000+ miles under my belt and feel comfortable with driving in the snow with a FR vehicle; I simply am too proud an owner and most definitely extremely lucky & fortunate to have another car to beat on during winter.

My point is that, I understand that we all want to have the car for as long as possible in the best shape possible. But please, do yourself and the car a favor ... Enjoy your life and your BEAST while you can. I can die a very happy man right this second because I've enjoyed my family, friends, and all my toys as much as possible. But I digress!

Plenty of people have touched on the moniker/new name issue, and I don't really care enough to repeat most of what other people have already posted. In my opinion, Z/28 should just never be killed. However, this is how progress happens, so if GM decides to kill the Z/28 badge, it would not turn me away from the Camaro any less. Perhaps it's because I'm a technology geek, and have gotten used to all the name changes, i.e.; computers, phones, etc.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but hey ... It is what it is. Here's my $0.02 though ... VCT (Variable Cam Timing), like that on the GT500/Explorer. Catch my drift?

Technology is technology, and if GM wants it badly enough; they'll pay for the patents (if any) necessary to get this technology on their benches and start working with it on perhaps the Alpha, or Z/28. I would bet my lousy paying career, that they have already put this plan in motion. Especially since CAFE is pretty strict as it is.

Let's face the facts here, VCT is AWESOME. No matter who you're rooting for, you can't deny that efficiency is what we all crave. Apple, Microsoft, Google (and others whom I'll spare in the sake of not wasting your time), have all been copying each other for years in the computer world in terms of operating systems, and functionality, etc. This is great if you ask me. Creates competition. Giving us, the consumer, more choices.

In closing, I hope I didn't bore you with my obnoxiously long post. Just have a lot on my mind, but won't take up any more of your time.

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I would be happy if the just called it supercharged and like it lookes like it say on some of the mules on the fender....save the Z/28 moniker for the smaller engine lighter, road course car that competes with the BOSS 302..why can there be as many levels as the mustang has, (they have Cobra, GT500, Boss 302, GT, etc) just Chevy upping the anty on their part and being better than Fords "signature" cars
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