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Old 01-21-2011, 04:14 PM   #26
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We compared a Maggy at the same boost level and same exhaust and the Whipple made about 27rwhp more with cooler IAT's.
Were both tuned, or using canned tunes, and did one run with the OEM airbox or otherwise?

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That's what I'm planning as well (SC with my blower cam) but I'm leaning towards the ProCharger D-1SC, I've seen a HO P-1 system, with stock fuel pump making 640rwhp / 450 - 560rwtq on 6psi., and a custom tune.
A couple of things to consider:
1. Our Mustang Dyno reads lower than what most are showing, which is on a dynojet. We know 575rwhp on our machine is 610rwhp on a dynojet.

2. We just finished a Maggy at 8.5psi with our blower cam and it made 610rwhp/540rwtq. On a dynojet this would be about 630-640rwhp and like 570rwtq.

3. Stock fuel pump is good to about 560rwhp on a Mustang Dyno. Fuel pressure will start to drop hard making AFR uncontrollable not allowing a tuner to hit target afr

4. A Maggy/Whipple will make way more power and torque under the curve so if there is traction that car will be faster. It is quite simple. A car that accelerates faster will be faster


Look at the graph below 4500. Above 4500 the procharger fell on it's face because it was 130F in the shop and IAT's were through the roof on the procharger setup
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Were both tuned, or using canned tunes, and did one run with the OEM airbox or otherwise?

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Both were custom tuned on our dyno. The maggy had a K&N and the procharger had the procharger inlet.

The reason I mentioned do not look above 4500 is that the spark really started to drop off on the procharger car with the super high temps.
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:58 PM   #29
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not sure paul if you are talking about my car with the maggie are not. My car with a maggie and pauls cam did 610wrhp on his dyno. going back here real soon to see what it will do with the meth. paul by far is the best tuner i have even seen. my car was on his dyno all day. the work he puts into his tunes is just crazy. wont let anyone else touch my car!

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Old 01-21-2011, 11:42 PM   #30
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great results! thanks for sharing...

does the whipple have a rear belt?
if so, do they offer a cog set-up like the maggie?
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Old 01-22-2011, 10:30 AM   #31
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great results! thanks for sharing...

does the whipple have a rear belt?
if so, do they offer a cog set-up like the maggie?
No the 2010 Camaro Whipple Supercharger uses an internal gear drive at the back of the blower. If you want to change boost they have an assortment of pulleys for the front and they offer an 8 and are coming out with a 10 rib setup. You can also put on an over driven crank pulley as well as a fully adjustable tensioner system
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:40 AM   #32
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Awesome! Torq was my second choice before deciding to go back to livernois but between build differences and shipping I could not make it happen. These guys are very informative and offer a lot of support. Great customer service and another great build!
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My 2010 2 SS RS M6 WHIPPLE POWERED WILL BE HEADED FOR TORQ AS SOON AS I FINISH MY DRIVETRAIN WORK AND I GET THE INFO FROM ERIC ON THE BLOWER CAM KIT WICH 1bacamaro is running.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:29 PM   #34
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Awesome! Torq was my second choice before deciding to go back to livernois but between build differences and shipping I could not make it happen. These guys are very informative and offer a lot of support. Great customer service and another great build!
Thanks for the nice comments, let us know if there is ever anything we can do! Livernois is a super high quality shop as well so you can't go wrong there.

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Can't wait to see it Mike! The info is in your inbox as we speak
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Thanks for the nice comments, let us know if there is ever anything we can do! Livernois is a super high quality shop as well so you can't go wrong there.




Can't wait to see it Mike! The info is in your inbox as we speak
Thanks ERIC i will check it out. I ordered the Pfadt solid subfame bushings from your site this evening.
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Thanks ERIC i will check it out. I ordered the Pfadt solid subfame bushings from your site this evening.
Awesome! Send me an email if you have any questions about it. I sent a confirmation for your order as well, thank you so much!

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Thanks for the comments. I've wondered about the IATs on the Prochargers because of the inlet location. I imagine, at speed, it wouldn't make much of a difference, but that's still something to consider.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:36 PM   #38
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My 2010 2 SS RS M6 WHIPPLE POWERED WILL BE HEADED FOR TORQ AS SOON AS I FINISH MY DRIVETRAIN WORK AND I GET THE INFO FROM ERIC ON THE BLOWER CAM KIT WICH 1bacamaro is running.
so when are we going to start working on your car?
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so when are we going to start working on your car?
NEXT WEEKEND IS THE CAR SHOW AT THE GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY CENTER I WANT TO TAKE HER THERE THEN ITS TIME TO PULL THE DRIVETRAIN APART. INSTALL ZR1 CLUTCH, PFADT SUBFRAME SOLID BUSHINGS, DRIVESHAFT SHOP 9" TRUTRACK WITH 3:70 GEARS AND 1400HP AXELS, PFADT TRAILERING ARMS. WE GET THAT IN AND WORKING GOOD THEN WE WILL DO THE CAM THEN HAUL IT TO TORQ.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:04 AM   #40
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NEXT WEEKEND IS THE CAR SHOW AT THE GOLDEN GATE COMMUNITY CENTER I WANT TO TAKE HER THERE THEN ITS TIME TO PULL THE DRIVETRAIN APART. INSTALL ZR1 CLUTCH, PFADT SUBFRAME SOLID BUSHINGS, DRIVESHAFT SHOP 9" TRUTRACK WITH 3:70 GEARS AND 1400HP AXELS, PFADT TRAILERING ARMS. WE GET THAT IN AND WORKING GOOD THEN WE WILL DO THE CAM THEN HAUL IT TO TORQ.
just just call me when you start i will be there.
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just just call me when you start i will be there.
IM RESEARCHING A GOOD HB PULLER AND INSTALLER FOR THE BALANCER TO ADD TO THE TOOL COLLECTION ME THINKS WE WILL BE DOING MORE ENGINE BUILDS


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One day sir!! Looking at some atv's right now to take camping with us.
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I saw this car in person, as well as Erik and his shop. The build and the shop are top notch. With all those camaros everywhere 8 felt out of place with my little G8. But I think i could fit in just fine.
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now only if I could get that blower on my car!!!!
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A couple of things to consider:
1. Our Mustang Dyno reads lower than what most are showing, which is on a dynojet. We know 575rwhp on our machine is 610rwhp on a dynojet.

2. We just finished a Maggy at 8.5psi with our blower cam and it made 610rwhp/540rwtq. On a dynojet this would be about 630-640rwhp and like 570rwtq.

3. Stock fuel pump is good to about 560rwhp on a Mustang Dyno. Fuel pressure will start to drop hard making AFR uncontrollable not allowing a tuner to hit target afr

4. A Maggy/Whipple will make way more power and torque under the curve so if there is traction that car will be faster. It is quite simple. A car that accelerates faster will be faster


Look at the graph below 4500. Above 4500 the procharger fell on it's face because it was 130F in the shop and IAT's were through the roof on the procharger setup
It's amazing what different builders / tuners will see on varying vehicles. My shop is seeing the exact opposite results.
Most of the research I've done shows the ProCharger is running much cooler due to the larger air-to-air intercooler and knock sensors are very happy, it provides lower but steady tq down low in the power band, and higher HP's in the higher RPM ranges, where as the Maggies does the exact opposite (higher low down TQ 50-75lbs, and lower high end HP about 30-70hp's). My understanding of why this happens is the ProCharger increases the boost as it goes into the higher RPM's and really starts to shine once you're in the 4.5+RPM range, where the Maggie gives it's max boost right from the get go, and then starts to drop off as it get hot and the engine compensates with timing.
The ProCharger also has steadier numbers on every pull vs the Maggie that starts to drop HP once it gets hot; Case and point put a meth kit on the roots system to cool the cylinder temps and provide additional safety in the higher RPM ranges.

Sure, tearing around town leaving rubber streaks in the road in first and 2nd. gear is cool, but probably not very practical, and besides anything above 450rwhp. is going do spin the tires anyway.

If I planned on putting drag radials on my vehicle to run laps all day, most likely I'd get a Maggie, a meth. kit, and travel on long trips with gallons of meth. in the trunk, but with a daily driver and occassional road course driving I believe the ProCharger is a better fit for that type of driving (for me). In any case my tires are spinning already naturally aspirated.

Personally, the extra 50lbtq. or a few extra HP's aren't going to make a big difference in my life, but the added engine safety, and piece of mind is worth it for me in the end.
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Paul Eric have you installed the new cam profile with the whipple build yet?
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Damn wish I was closer to these guys so they could do my install and tune!
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Paul Eric have you installed the new cam profile with the whipple build yet?
Not yet, just clearing out a few cars before we bring that one in. Probably about 2 weeks before she is done, we will for sure post information, pictures and videos once she is in the house!

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