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Old 01-20-2011, 09:56 AM   #18
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If God asked you which one do you want as Lotto wining, a $2.3M or $2.9M, which one would you select?
Haha that's funny
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:43 PM   #19
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Great build guys. Very impressive.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:54 PM   #20
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Pictures Look great! I also like the rear black out panel. So what is the Peak boost you see with the Whipple? Curious how the long tubes and big 3 inch exhaust affected the boost. What power it put down with the Whipple tune?
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Old 01-21-2011, 11:30 AM   #21
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Why a Whipple and not a Magnuson or ProCharger.
We have done a lot of Maggy setups and wanted to try the whipple as we use them almost exclusively on our Ford builds. Amazing quality, amazing fit and finish including hoses, fittings, etc are top notch. It is a bigger, more efficient blower.

Why we did not go with a Centrifugal blower - Simple. A roots/twin screw is way more fun for a street car.
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Old 01-21-2011, 11:34 AM   #22
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Pictures Look great! I also like the rear black out panel. So what is the Peak boost you see with the Whipple? Curious how the long tubes and big 3 inch exhaust affected the boost. What power it put down with the Whipple tune?
Peak boost we saw, with the cut airbox (per Whipple's instructions) was a tick under 9psi. We typically do not see much of a pressure drop with the 1 7/8" headers and 3" exhaust.

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VEHICLE: 2010 6.2L
Manual Boost PSI: 8.7psi
Average AF: 11.9:1
RPM Limit: Stock
Exhaust: Kooks 1 7/8" Long Tubes w/ Catted X and MBRP Catback
Fuel: 93 octane
Temperature: 76.31° F
Barometric PSI: 29.98 In-Hg
Humidity: 45%
Hood: Open
SC RW SAE HP: 531
SC RW SAE TRQ: 487
Stock RW SAE HP: 355
Stock RW SAE TRQ: 342

We test every product we sell and provide our honest feedback. After installing Whipple's 2.9L supercharger on our customers 2010 Camaro SS with Whipple's tune we picked up a fantastic 177RWHP and 145RWTQ but were concerned with the amount of Knock Retard we were seeing both on the street and in our controlled dyno room.

We reset the ECM back to a factory stock calibration and began the calibration process. The final results with less timing and zero KR and a safer air fuel ratio were amazing. We picked up an additional 45RWHP and 23RWTQ! In addition to the WOT power and torque increases our tune provides additional throttle response and improved fuel economy and drive-ability.
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:13 PM   #23
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If God asked you which one do you want as Lotto wining, a $2.3M or $2.9M, which one would you select?
Hahaha..... that's obvious, but 2.3 or 2.9 get a different pulley or cog unit to produce more boost depending on your application. So, a 2.3 maggie or any procharger would have most likely been adequate.

For example to produce the numbers on this setup, they used almost 9psi., there are numerous setups using 6psi. with a ProCharger and getting same results.

So, if we were talking $, I'd say 2.9, but we're talking SC's so 2.3 or 2.9 probably not making much of a difference unless you engine has been heavily modified, and in that case you'd probably want a ProCharger F-1 or higher.
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Old 01-21-2011, 01:28 PM   #24
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A few reasons! First, the customer requested it which is one quite important reason. The Whipple is also 2.9L vs. 2.3L for the Magnusson, and more street friendly compared to the Procharger. The Procharger is an awesome system and makes sick power, but the torque down low that you get with a positive displacement blower is just insane. The customer never races the car and it is pure street car and he really likes this style blower.

We have installed them all, Whipple, Magnusson, Vortech, Kenne Bell etc and each one has it's benefits! We will be doing another Whipple next week and after that a 2.8L Liquid Cooled Kenne Bell with a cam is on the schedule!

Thanks guys, we are also very happy with the outcome!

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That's what I'm planning as well (SC with my blower cam) but I'm leaning towards the ProCharger D-1SC, I've seen a HO P-1 system, with stock fuel pump making 640rwhp / 450 - 560rwtq on 6psi., and a custom tune.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:11 PM   #25
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Hahaha..... that's obvious, but 2.3 or 2.9 get a different pulley or cog unit to produce more boost depending on your application. So, a 2.3 maggie or any procharger would have most likely been adequate.

For example to produce the numbers on this setup, they used almost 9psi., there are numerous setups using 6psi. with a ProCharger and getting same results.

So, if we were talking $, I'd say 2.9, but we're talking SC's so 2.3 or 2.9 probably not making much of a difference unless you engine has been heavily modified, and in that case you'd probably want a ProCharger F-1 or higher.
We compared a Maggy at the same boost level and same exhaust and the Whipple made about 27rwhp more with cooler IAT's.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:14 PM   #26
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We compared a Maggy at the same boost level and same exhaust and the Whipple made about 27rwhp more with cooler IAT's.
Were both tuned, or using canned tunes, and did one run with the OEM airbox or otherwise?

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Old 01-21-2011, 05:29 PM   #27
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That's what I'm planning as well (SC with my blower cam) but I'm leaning towards the ProCharger D-1SC, I've seen a HO P-1 system, with stock fuel pump making 640rwhp / 450 - 560rwtq on 6psi., and a custom tune.
A couple of things to consider:
1. Our Mustang Dyno reads lower than what most are showing, which is on a dynojet. We know 575rwhp on our machine is 610rwhp on a dynojet.

2. We just finished a Maggy at 8.5psi with our blower cam and it made 610rwhp/540rwtq. On a dynojet this would be about 630-640rwhp and like 570rwtq.

3. Stock fuel pump is good to about 560rwhp on a Mustang Dyno. Fuel pressure will start to drop hard making AFR uncontrollable not allowing a tuner to hit target afr

4. A Maggy/Whipple will make way more power and torque under the curve so if there is traction that car will be faster. It is quite simple. A car that accelerates faster will be faster


Look at the graph below 4500. Above 4500 the procharger fell on it's face because it was 130F in the shop and IAT's were through the roof on the procharger setup
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:06 PM   #28
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Were both tuned, or using canned tunes, and did one run with the OEM airbox or otherwise?

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Both were custom tuned on our dyno. The maggy had a K&N and the procharger had the procharger inlet.

The reason I mentioned do not look above 4500 is that the spark really started to drop off on the procharger car with the super high temps.
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:58 PM   #29
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not sure paul if you are talking about my car with the maggie are not. My car with a maggie and pauls cam did 610wrhp on his dyno. going back here real soon to see what it will do with the meth. paul by far is the best tuner i have even seen. my car was on his dyno all day. the work he puts into his tunes is just crazy. wont let anyone else touch my car!

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Old 01-22-2011, 12:42 AM   #30
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great results! thanks for sharing...

does the whipple have a rear belt?
if so, do they offer a cog set-up like the maggie?
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great results! thanks for sharing...

does the whipple have a rear belt?
if so, do they offer a cog set-up like the maggie?
No the 2010 Camaro Whipple Supercharger uses an internal gear drive at the back of the blower. If you want to change boost they have an assortment of pulleys for the front and they offer an 8 and are coming out with a 10 rib setup. You can also put on an over driven crank pulley as well as a fully adjustable tensioner system
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:40 PM   #32
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Awesome! Torq was my second choice before deciding to go back to livernois but between build differences and shipping I could not make it happen. These guys are very informative and offer a lot of support. Great customer service and another great build!
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My whipple

My 2010 2 SS RS M6 WHIPPLE POWERED WILL BE HEADED FOR TORQ AS SOON AS I FINISH MY DRIVETRAIN WORK AND I GET THE INFO FROM ERIC ON THE BLOWER CAM KIT WICH 1bacamaro is running.
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Awesome! Torq was my second choice before deciding to go back to livernois but between build differences and shipping I could not make it happen. These guys are very informative and offer a lot of support. Great customer service and another great build!
Thanks for the nice comments, let us know if there is ever anything we can do! Livernois is a super high quality shop as well so you can't go wrong there.

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My 2010 2 SS RS M6 WHIPPLE POWERED WILL BE HEADED FOR TORQ AS SOON AS I FINISH MY DRIVETRAIN WORK AND I GET THE INFO FROM ERIC ON THE BLOWER CAM KIT WICH 1bacamaro is running.

Can't wait to see it Mike! The info is in your inbox as we speak
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