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Old 01-27-2011, 11:35 AM   #26
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If a shifter on ANY car does not feel like it wants to glide into 2nd gear, don't force it. Try going fast in 1st gear, then raising the RPMS while you have the clutch pushed in, and see if the gear goes into 2nd gear with no problems.

If you ever FORCE the shifter into 2nd, then you are the one who messed up the transmission.

I'm not sure what everyone is doing when they shift to 2nd, but EVEN if the tranny didn't have the best synchros, it would STILL just pop right into 2nd if you match the revs when you shift.

When you Don't blip the throttle and match revs on a 1-2 shift, you are making the 2nd gear sychro do MORE work.

you have two cones spinning at different RPMS. when you slide the shifter to 2nd, those two cones start kissing until they BOTH turn the same RPM. One cone is spinning the speed of the clutch disk itself. the other cone is spinning a forced RPM based on how fast the rear tires are turning. When the clutch is pushed in, the clutch disk is "free to spin" freely but you STILL are matching two different cone speeds when you move the shifter from 1 to 2.

If you make an effort to match these rpms while you are shifting you can save your 2nd gear synchro. (and all the other gear synchos.)

Also, I'm not sure but I think some of these transmissions have 1-2 synchros that have 3 cones. (this was to try to help but something tells me this design is worse and it probably does not work well till the tranny is warmed up.)

Raise the RPMS and it should make the shifter go right into 2nd gear easily without any kind of grinding.

I have a mustang GT with a 5-speed. I have heard millions of people complain the transmission had problems, but I put 180,000 miles on mine and my transmission is perfect with zero issues.

Anyone who drives (a V8-stick shift) car like a "video game" or like a honda civic will tear up everything in their drivetrain starting from the clutch disk to rear differential.

It would be helpful if people who drive a stick shift could physically see a manual transmission disassembled to see what is happening mechanically when they press a clutch pedal or move a shift lever. 90 percent of society has no clue what is happening.

you DON'T NEED an engineering degree to understand how a synchro works and a clutch/pressure plate/throw out bearing/hydraulic clutch master/slave cylinder.

EDUCATE yourself. Don't just blindly damage a 4000 dollar transmission/drivetrain. Then go blame everyone else after it's too late.

Peace out

Nice rant but I'd like to point out that GM delayed the release of the V6 M6 cars at the start of production (for 2 months) because of this very same issue. You can't sit there and realistically tell me that the engineers at GM don't know how a transmission works, nor how to shift properly?

With my first AY6, going into 2nd was notchy from the day I picked it up with 10 miles on it. That binding feeling was something I could feel shifting gears just sitting still with the car off. It just got progressively worse over time.

GM and Aisin knew there was a problem with the AY6 but they released the AY6 equipped Camaros anyhow. Go back and research all of the same issues that Toyota Tacoma drivers have been having with this same AY6 transmission. They've been dealing with it for 6 years. GM just picked the wrong transmission to stuff behind a 300+ horsepower engine.

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Old 01-27-2011, 11:56 AM   #27
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Nice rant but I'd like to point out that GM delayed the release of the V6 M6 cars at the start of production (for 2 months) because of this very same issue. You can't sit there and realistically tell me that the engineers at GM don't know how a transmission works, nor how to shift properly?

With my first AY6, going into 2nd was notchy from the day I picked it up with 10 miles on it. That binding feeling was something I could feel shifting gears just sitting still with the car off. It just got progressively worse over time.

GM and Aisin knew there was a problem with the AY6 but they released the AY6 equipped Camaros anyhow. Go back and research all of the same issues that Toyota Tacoma drivers have been having with this same AY6 transmission. They've been dealing with it for 6 years. GM just picked the wrong transmission to stuff behind a 300+ horsepower engine.

I agree, the transmission does have its defects. Ive only had the clutch pressure plates bolts come loose (theres a TSB on this)
The gears grind randomly. And ive been driving stick for years on multiple cars including a Ferrari 360, never had a problem in any of those.
But this tranny is definitly one that is easy to use and learn on. The clutch, the way the car forgives makes it easy for beginners. My gf never drove stick in her life, let her drive the Camaro and she did great.
The tranny has its issues, but theres TSBs for it and it is covered by warranty. The car is still a great car, just a hasstle when your constantly at the dealer.
I have a list of warranty work thats need to be done to my car, sometimes I wonder why the hell did I buy this car, then I drive her, or open the garage and realize why I love her.
Its like dating a dumb but Gorgous blond, you can live past the imperfections

Oh but if your buying one, try to find a dealer with great reviews and customer service, the warranty work is not the hasstle, its getting the jackasses at the dealer to do it and to do it right.
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