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View Poll Results: On ORIGINAL I Have OR Have Had
2 or More Vehicles Over 300,000 1 10.00%
1 Vehicle Over 300,000 0 0%
1 or More Vehicles Over 200,000 3 30.00%
At least 2 Vehicles Over 120,000 2 20.00%
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Old 01-21-2011, 09:54 PM   #1
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Thumbs down DON'T look now the Goverment is upping ETHANOL Content.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/epa-set-...-vehicles.html

UPDATE:Heres Info from the EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/additive/e15/

Check the most recent link at the bottom: Partial waiver for use of E15 in MY2001-2006 light-duty motor vehicles (Pre-publication version) (PDF) (64 pp; 1.2MB; January 21, 2011)

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The Title should say On ORIGINAL Engine I Have or Have Had
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So...."useful life" is defined as 100,000 to 120,000 miles? So when the government assures us that it won't do damage, or cause premature wear, it is on the assumption that catastrophic failure around 100-120K miles is the normal, and that you therefore can't reasonably expect to get any more miles out of a car than that?

In the 21st century, "useful life" should be double what the EPA seems to think it is. Next time you hear that ethanol won't hurt your car, just remember that is using the 1970s as their baseline for durability.

Maybe a poll should be set up to see if I have a point....How many of you out there have a car, or have had a car, with over 120,000 miles on the original engine?
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Old 01-21-2011, 10:02 PM   #2
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More Ethanol. Good. (Great, actually)

Ethanol from Corn. Bad.

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Old 01-21-2011, 10:58 PM   #4
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More Ethanol. Good. (Great, actually)

Ethanol from Corn. Bad.


So, are you saying that Non-Corn base Ethanol is not corrosive?
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So, are you saying that Non-Corn base Ethanol is not corrosive?
Brazil doesn't seem to have a problem, and they use 20% or more. From anything I've heard, the cars over there use the same engines as most cars in North America. Then there are flex-fuel vehicles on top of those than can take anything up to E100

That said, I would rather have seen them up the availability of E85 than go to E15
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:31 AM   #6
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So, are you saying that Non-Corn base Ethanol is not corrosive?
Noooooooooo, he is saying that corn based ethanol will drive up food prices "proven fact".
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Noooooooooo, he is saying that corn based ethanol will drive up food prices "proven fact".
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Brazil doesn't seem to have a problem, and they use 20% or more. From anything I've heard, the cars over there use the same engines as most cars in North America. Then there are flex-fuel vehicles on top of those than can take anything up to E100

That said, I would rather have seen them up the availability of E85 than go to E15
Ethanol is ethanol. Corrosiveness will not change. E85 is really not a problem on most modern cars. I assume he is talking about political and economic impacts.

As far as making e85 more available, I agree. E85 is a fantastic alternative for many vehicles. If they marketed it properly, it would be a great success. For the performance world, it's cheap 106-110 octane
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I thought E85 was to be cheeper to? Not around here think its like 20 cents less then regular. Doesn't it burn like 15% faster to? lol Not a fan of this at all.
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So, are you saying that Non-Corn base Ethanol is not corrosive?
I'm saying alcohol isn't very corrosive though. But I believe the fact that ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water) is the concern.

There is so much negative posting around this topic. As mentioned, Brasil made it a point many years ago to be less dependant on oil. They have acted on this with a great amount of success. Google it and read up on it. It's quite a success story.

What everyone seems to miss is that nothing in the near term will be as cheap as oil. Even at $150 per barrel the only thing that looks good as an alternative is the less cheap oil (tar sands and shale oil) that require even more processing than crude. And I'll say it again, the price of oil will not go over the price of refining shale oil. No competition is good for OPEC.

Didn't you guys ever watch the Beverly Hillbillies? I call it "Jed Clampett Oil", because it's so easy to get to you just have to shoot a bullet in the ground. That's what we have today, and it's CHEAP.

At some point we have to transition away from Jed Clampett oil and to more renewable and self sufficient energy sources. Problem is those are all more expensive than the cheap stuff and no one is willing to go there.

Say it with me, "we're not hooked on oil, we're hooked on cheap oil"
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Are there any gas stations around where you can still buy "real" gasoline without ethanol added?
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Are there any gas stations around where you can still buy "real" gasoline without ethanol added?
Yes, there was a thread started last week some time. The OP was asking if using 100% pure juice was ok. Included a picture of the station with a sign indicating 100% gasoline.
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Are there any gas stations around where you can still buy "real" gasoline without ethanol added?
All of the gas stations around here only carry pure gasoline.
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Sounds like they are trying to push people into those *hybrd* cars.....
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