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Old 01-31-2009, 08:05 AM   #1
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GM told my dealer they can start placing official orders on the 6th of February

I recieved a phone call from one of the salemen at my dealership yesterday. He told me that they just found out from GM that they can start placing official orders on February the 6th! He said that since my Camaro is the 2nd one that my order may not go through on the 6th but it should go through soon after that at worst. This is great news for me! Has anyone else been told from their dealer which day they can start placing official orders, and if so what are the dates?

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I recieved a phone call from one of the salemen at my dealership yesterday. He told me that they just found out from GM that they can start placing official orders on February the 6th! He said that since my Camaro is the 2nd one that my order may not go through on the 6th but it should go through soon after that at worst. This is great news for me! Has anyone else been told from their dealer which day they can start placing official orders, and if so what are the dates?

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The date is correct. ALL dealers will know on that date what they can or can't order for March delivery then. My guess is that most won't be able to order any because of the big V6 run. IMO, only the big boys, Classic, Paddock, etc. have a good chance of being to able to order a couple for March. Most will have to wait until April to get their "firsts". JUST MY OPINION.
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Do you think that dealers will be able to order their V6 demo cars for March delivery? I had read in another thread that all Chevrolet dealers will have a V6 camaro at their dealarship which they will use to sell more Camaros. It will not be sold, but rather will be used for people to test drive.
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Do you think that dealers will be able to order their V6 demo cars for March delivery? I had read in another thread that all Chevrolet dealers will have a V6 camaro at their dealarship which they will use to sell more Camaros. It will not be sold, but rather will be used for people to test drive.
First thing to happen is each dealer will get a V6 that doesn't count against their allocation. So, yes, IMO, most dealers should have that car within a month of production start- mid April. It can not be spec'd out. AFAIK they can do what they want with it, including sell it.

Friday, each dealer will find out what they can or can't order in addition to that car for March delivery. Then, in March, they'll find out what they can order for April, etc...
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First thing to happen is each dealer will get a V6 that doesn't count against their allocation. So, yes, IMO, most dealers should have that car within a month of production start- mid April. It can not be spec'd out. AFAIK they can do what they want with it, including sell it.

Friday, each dealer will find out what they can or can't order in addition to that car for March delivery. Then, in March, they'll find out what they can order for April, etc...
That is interesting. My dealer tells me that they were told they will get 12 Camaros between February and July. Of course with the 1 month delay in production start that would now be 12 between March and August. If you do the math that is 2.4 Camaros per month. Since mine the #2 at the dealer I supose I can wish for the best scenario which would have my Camaro arriving at the dealarship in April!
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That is interesting. My dealer tells me that they were told they will get 12 Camaros between February and July. Of course with the 1 month delay in production start that would now be 12 between March and August. If you do the math that is 2.4 Camaros per month. Since mine the #2 at the dealer I supose I can wish for the best scenario which would have my Camaro arriving at the dealarship in April!
If your dealer has 12 cars total, all Chevy has said is they expect to have filled all the pre-orders by October. My guess is that is a SAFE estimate and that all will be filled by August/September. IMO, March and April don't exist for all intents and purposes because of the "each dealer gets a V6" initial run unless, as I said, you're at one of the "big boys" who are getting 40, 50, and in some cases, 60+ cars. I think they'll start to see theirs in the April run and it'll go from there. I happen to be 1st in line at the 2nd largest with 63 allotted but I'm thinking of jumping ship because I found another dealer who is willing to accept supplier discount. It will most likely push my delivery out a month or two since their allocation is only 31 but $1500 is $1500...
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If your dealer has 12 cars total, all Chevy has said is they expect to have filled all the pre-orders by October. My guess is that is a SAFE estimate and that all will be filled by August/September. IMO, March and April don't exist for all intents and purposes because of the "each dealer gets a V6" initial run unless, as I said, you're at one of the "big boys" who are getting 40, 50, and in some cases, 60+ cars. I think they'll start to see theirs in the April run and it'll go from there. I happen to be 1st in line at the 2nd largest with 63 allotted but I'm thinking of jumping ship because I found another dealer who is willing to accept supplier discount. It will most likely push my delivery out a month or two since their allocation is only 31 but $1500 is $1500...
So your supplier discount would be $1500? I would assume if you are thinking about jumping ship you can get your deposit back from your current dealer. My dealer most likely won't take the supplier discount since I have no previous written agreement for them to do so, however I have a GM card with $1400 worth of discount points. They told me they would gladly accept the GM card since it does not affect their bottom line in any way.
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So your supplier discount would be $1500? I would assume if you are thinking about jumping ship you can get your deposit back from your current dealer. My dealer most likely won't take the supplier discount since I have no previous written agreement for them to do so, however I have a GM card with $1400 worth of discount points. They told me they would gladly accept the GM card since it does not affect their bottom line in any way.
I'm guessing around $1500. There is no hard pricing that I've seen for supplier but I have seen employee and also read that supplier is 4% above employee on average. So it's a guess, but an educated guess. As far as getting my other deposit back, even the dealer I'm looking to go to told me that because I actually signed a document saying the deposit was non-refundable, they can keep it. Will they? I would hope not considering the car hasn't actually been pulled for production yet. They have no exposure at this point with regards to getting "stuck" with it. But, they can. That would be a $500 hit. I'd still be a grand ahead. Can't make it any easier than that...
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So your supplier discount would be $1500? I would assume if you are thinking about jumping ship you can get your deposit back from your current dealer. My dealer most likely won't take the supplier discount since I have no previous written agreement for them to do so, however I have a GM card with $1400 worth of discount points. They told me they would gladly accept the GM card since it does not affect their bottom line in any way.
Now I'm NOT POSITIVE but I would swear I read there was a cap on GM card earnings of $1000. DO NOT take that as the gospel truth but be sure to check on it.
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Now I'm NOT POSITIVE but I would swear I read there was a cap on GM card earnings of $1000. DO NOT take that as the gospel truth but be sure to check on it.
Concerning the $1000 cap, GM currently puts that cap on the Corvette, Solstice, and Sky. There may also be others which I am not aware of. If GM allows the GM card to be used on the Camaro (and I expect them to) I would say they would cap it at $1000 also. I would be ok with that because $1000 takes care of my sunroof option, and gives me $100 to boot.
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That is interesting. My dealer tells me that they were told they will get 12 Camaros between February and July. Of course with the 1 month delay in production start that would now be 12 between March and August. If you do the math that is 2.4 Camaros per month. Since mine the #2 at the dealer I supose I can wish for the best scenario which would have my Camaro arriving at the dealarship in April!
Just because you are number 2 at your dealership does not mean your car will be the second one they get. all it means is it will be the second order they place, even one that was ordered after yours still may come in before yours it's based on actual production and option availability. I am sorry to tell you but they do not necessarliy build cars in the order the order is recieved.
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Concerning the $1000 cap, GM currently puts that cap on the Corvette, Solstice, and Sky. There may also be others which I am not aware of. If GM allows the GM card to be used on the Camaro (and I expect them to) I would say they would cap it at $1000 also. I would be ok with that because $1000 takes care of my sunroof option, and gives me $100 to boot.
^^^ There is a cap on EVERY vehicle - it's just that some are larger than others. I'm not positive, but I think the minimum I've seem (here in Canada) is $1000 and the maximum I've see (again, in Canada) is $2500. I'm guessing the 'Maro will be $1000 - $1500. Should go nicely with my other $2200 discount.
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Just because you are number 2 at your dealership does not mean your car will be the second one they get. all it means is it will be the second order they place, even one that was ordered after yours still may come in before yours it's based on actual production and option availability. I am sorry to tell you but they do not necessarliy build cars in the order the order is recieved.
I realize that my car is not guaranteed to be the 2nd one delivered to the dealer. The dealer told me that when they are allowed to order the 2nd Camaro they may be told they have to order one which does not match my order. They said at that time they would call me to tell me what the situation was. I could then change to match what they have to order (which I would not) or simply move back to #3. Concerning the build sequence not matching the order in which the cars were ordered, I guess I had not thought about that. Either way I am certainly not banking on getting my car in April. It is just nice to dream a little.
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^^^ There is a cap on EVERY vehicle - it's just that some are larger than others. I'm not positive, but I think the minimum I've seem (here in Canada) is $1000 and the maximum I've see (again, in Canada) is $2500. I'm guessing the 'Maro will be $1000 - $1500. Should go nicely with my other $2200 discount.
What is your other $2200 discount?
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So let me see if I have this straight. If my dealer has already put my order into the workbench with an order number, will he have to put it in again on this date? And when he does this, the system will tell him on the spot (or shortly afterwards) if the car will be made in March or shortly after? I am #3 of 19, all V8's (2) in front of me.

Just want to make sure befor I contact my dealer.

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So let me see if I have this straight. If my dealer has already put my order into the workbench with an order number, will he have to put it in again on this date? And when he does this, the system will tell him on the spot (or shortly afterwards) if the car will be made in March or shortly after? I am #3 of 19, all V8's (2) in front of me.

Just want to make sure befor I contact my dealer.

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My dealer showed me the website with my Camaro order shown. He said there are 6 stages to every order. The first is Pre-Order. That is where everyones order is at right now. The next stage is ordered. He said that once the pre-order changes to ordered, he would have a few days to make changes to the order before it becomes official. I have not heard him tell me anything about expected delivery date once the car is ordered. I would expect that they will keep me informed about the status of my order as it moves through the other 4 order status stages.
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Just came form my dealer this morning. Since I placed my order on November 1, both the sales manager and my sales lady have left the dealership. I understand the sales lady left because of a much better opportunity and career change. So, I stopped in to find out who my new sales person is, and to see what kind of person they are. I am happy, as they were very professional, and honest, not making any promises "I" knew they could not keep (thanks Caramo5.com). He stated that the order their five allotted cars will be built in, assuming nothing about the build would prevent a particular car from being built, is the same order they were entered on to GM. As I am number 3 of the 5, mine will be the third built, besides the V6 GM will push out. He also stated that the allocation of 5 units was it for the year, unless GM decides they can have more.

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So let me see if I have this straight. If my dealer has already put my order into the workbench with an order number, will he have to put it in again on this date? And when he does this, the system will tell him on the spot (or shortly afterwards) if the car will be made in March or shortly after? I am #3 of 19, all V8's (2) in front of me.

Just want to make sure befor I contact my dealer.

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If you have a 6-digit confirmation order number, you're good to go. On Friday, the dealers will know what they can order for March (and only March) delivery.
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If you have a 6-digit confirmation order number, you're good to go. On Friday, the dealers will know what they can order for March (and only March) delivery.
So if I call my dealer Friday, he will be able to tell me if my order was accepted for a March build? Even though I know it won't happen, it would be cool to know this

Will this system automaticly spit out this info, or will he have to go digging for it? Then I quess in Febuary, they will do the same thing and so on down the road?

Sorry for all the questions, but this is all new to me. And many others I would asume.

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They are peliminary right now which is event code 1100 once they are accepted and become placed for production it should give an extimated TPW (Target Production Week). After it is produced and has a VIN# it will give an estimated in transit or arrival date.
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They are peliminary right now which is event code 1100 once they are accepted and become placed for production it should give an extimated TPW (Target Production Week). After it is produced and has a VIN# it will give an estimated in transit or arrival date.
So this Friday, when they pick the ones to be built (for March), they will be given a TPW? Will the dealer have this info on Friday, or will it take some time to get to there system?

On a side question, who actually picks the cars for production each month. Is it a computer, or an actuall person that looks at what is wanted by the customers and what can actually be done by the factory at that time?
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So this Friday, when they pick the ones to be built (for March), they will be given a TPW? Will the dealer have this info on Friday, or will it take some time to get to there system?

On a side question, who actually picks the cars for production each month. Is it a computer, or an actuall person that looks at what is wanted by the customers and what can actually be done by the factory at that time?
It all starts with the factory. In the simplist terms (there is more involved), "We" (the factory) are prepared to build xx V6s and xx V8s in March. Based on allocation, the dealers are told "you" (the dealer) can have xx V6 and xx V8 this upcoming month. The dealer AND ONLY THE DEALER decides how to match their pre-orders up to what the factory says they can have.
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