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Old 02-01-2009, 12:41 PM   #1
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what is the best supercharger that wont destroy your drivetrain. how much would it cost for the charger and installation. what else do u need except the charger. how much power do they make. thanks
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what is the best supercharger that wont destroy your drivetrain. how much would it cost for the charger and installation. what else do u need except the charger. how much power do they make. thanks
I've read a lot of good things on the Magacharger http://www.magnacharger.com/
or blowers based upon the Eaton design.
They are used on the CTS-V and the ZR1
I hear they run 6-8K plus install, not cheap. (I really have no idea of what shops charge for installs)
they are a bit more involved because they require replacing the intake.
I'd say conservative they should make another 35 to 40% more power using stock compression. More if you are able to lower compression upgrade a few components and raise boost.
nice thing is that this generation requires less then 1 hp to drive the blower when not in boost mode. therefore if you keep your foot out of it, fuel economy is essentually unchanged

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Buy a magnacharger , it comes with everything you need to install it. They are also they are the choice of most car makers with supercharged motors
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I wouldn't mind a Whipple or KB after 3 years...
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How about including a set of lower compression forged pistons so you know the car will be reliable for a LONG time to come...

I never liked the idea of just slapping FI on a engine that was not designed for it.
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I've read a lot of good things on the Magacharger http://www.magnacharger.com/
or blowers based upon the Eaton design.
They are used on the CTS-V and the ZR1
I hear they run 6-8K plus install, not cheap. (I really have no idea of what shops charge for installs)
they are a bit more involved because they require replacing the intake.
I'd say conservative they should make another 35 to 40% more power using stock compression. More if you are able to lower compression upgrade a few components and raise boost.
nice thing is that this generation requires less then 1 hp to drive the blower when not in boost mode. therefore if you keep your foot out of it, fuel economy is essentually unchanged

just my 2 cents
i hope that price comes with forged internals ,and a really nice boost controller .I'm think for that price range i could get those but instead be twin turbo.Not trying to start a super vs turbo war ,but in my area the TT seems to be the route of the really fast cars .
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I run a weiand 144 on one of my cars and I wouldn't recommend them, the first one I had ate itself. I don't know about other brands but I have heard good things about magnachargers.
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I hate to say this, but you should be thinking about taking driver's ed before even thinking about boosting an LS3.
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do they even make this magnachrager for a ls3
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do they even make this magnachrager for a ls3
if it will bolt up to L92 heads, it will work on the LS3. LS1, LS2, LS6 s/c should all work on the LS3. cus all the LS3 really is, is an LS2 block bored out with L92 heads on it with a few extra modifications.
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i hope that price comes with forged internals ,and a really nice boost controller .I'm think for that price range i could get those but instead be twin turbo.Not trying to start a super vs turbo war ,but in my area the TT seems to be the route of the really fast cars .
I think I have seen some 6k magnacharger installed on some other forums for later model LS# equipped cars .. btw .. I don't think you will be able to get a good twin turbo setup for under 9k on these cars .. if you can find a good one installed for the price the OP was talking about, I'd jump on it ..


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The TVs is twice the blower the regular magnacharger is. Look it up it's the best of both worlds. Easy to install like a roots but with the lower discharge temperatures found in axial compressors.
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Second this. You need to crawl before you walk, and you are going straight for a marathon!
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I'm hoping Whipple or KB come out with an application for this. Both are screw type superchargers, and lots more efficient and more powerful than a lobe type ("Heaton", Magnacharger, etc.)

Twin screws can run more boost at low air temps. I was pretty much maxxed out at 500 whp on my 04 Cobra with the Eaton, while the Whipple/KB crew could put down 600. BIG difference.
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I'm hoping Whipple or KB come out with an application for this. Both are screw type superchargers, and lots more efficient and more powerful than a lobe type ("Heaton", Magnacharger, etc.)

Twin screws can run more boost at low air temps. I was pretty much maxxed out at 500 whp on my 04 Cobra with the Eaton, while the Whipple/KB crew could put down 600. BIG difference.
what size pulleys and what size blowers were you using?
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2.73 upper, standard lower, ported Eaton. I'm fairly conservative, and did not want to overspin more than that. I know you can throw a smaller lower on, but the air temps get crazy hot.
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I'm hoping Whipple or KB come out with an application for this. Both are screw type superchargers, and lots more efficient and more powerful than a lobe type ("Heaton", Magnacharger, etc.)

Twin screws can run more boost at low air temps. I was pretty much maxxed out at 500 whp on my 04 Cobra with the Eaton, while the Whipple/KB crew could put down 600. BIG difference.
Actually the new TVs from Magnacharger are a more efficient than the older magnachargers .. Either way .. I'm up for Magnacharger, Whipple or KB.

I was running a ported Eaton with a 2.93 upper and 4lb lower on my 04 cobra .. put down 509rwhp / 520rwtq .. that was pretty maxing the eaton out as far as I wanted to go ..

Can't wait to see what the LS3 is going to do ..

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what is the best supercharger that wont destroy your drivetrain. how much would it cost for the charger and installation. what else do u need except the charger. how much power do they make. thanks
I don't know if you could really claim which is best, per se. I've recently read a Procharger install on a G8 GT and the increase in power above stock was the same as a TVS 1900 on another G8 GT; about 120 RWHP. I did notice that the TVS didn't really peak before fuel cutoff, suggesting to me if you were to spin the engine higher, it would've made even more power; the Procharger appeared to top-out however before fuel cut-off. I only bring this up because many people are of the opinion centrifugals are better than the roots/screw-types, but the newer 4-lobe styles are catching up, it would seem. The systems for the G8 were in the neighborhood of almost $7K with the Maggy' so it isn't cheap, however, the 1900 they tested was rated to 800 horse', so there's plenty of room to go. I didn't catch the price of the Procharger, and know there was a head unit upgrade that was like another $250-$300 so something and a 3-core intercooler upgrade too. However, you have to remove the head unit every like 6K miles, or something, to change the oil, where that isn't necessary on the Maggy' (I'm not sure about the Whipple because I haven't come across as many articles through my reading.)

Typically, you can buy kits for your car that are as complete as can be. I know you can obtain "Tuner" kits from Procharger that aren't complete, but allow you flexibility to taylor the kit to your car more specifically.

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i hope that price comes with forged internals ,and a really nice boost controller .I'm think for that price range i could get those but instead be twin turbo.Not trying to start a super vs turbo war ,but in my area the TT seems to be the route of the really fast cars .
Nope - from what I've read, these are only bolt-on kits and include nothing for the long block; mostly PCM, fuel, and tuning changes along with the obvious hardware to run and plumb the supercharger.

I don't think there are many people who will argue that turbos make more power, but it's my understanding they are a little more finiky to tune and control. I understand over-boosting can be an issue if you're not careful and you have to worry about turbo timers and such. These aren't deal-breakers, but they just seem to require a little more constant involvement. Like the whine of a supercharger, there isn't quite as cool a thing as the whistles of a pair of hair driers under the hood

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This will be the direction I take when it comes time. MP2300 A close second is a Whipple kit, because I remember they were really popular on sport trucks a while ago and know there are a bunch of happy Cobra and Lightning owners out there

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I think I have seen some 6k magnacharger installed on some other forums for later model LS# equipped cars .. btw .. I don't think you will be able to get a good twin turbo setup for under 9k on these cars .. if you can find a good one installed for the price the OP was talking about, I'd jump on it ..


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I think if it's good enough for the LSA and LS9, it's probably good enough for me, LOL! After recalling a statement that GM went from turbos to this supercharger because of heat problems (I don't recall the exact terminology they used) I figured they know better than I.

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Actually the new TVs from Magnacharger are a more efficient than the older magnachargers .. Either way .. I'm up for Magnacharger, Whipple or KB.

I was running a ported Eaton with a 2.93 upper and 4lb lower on my 04 cobra .. put down 509rwhp / 520rwtq .. that was pretty maxing the eaton out as far as I wanted to go ..

Can't wait to see what the LS3 is going to do ..

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I think we're going to get some really good numbers with this kinda' set-up. I've quoted a Popular Hotrodding (I think, it's been a while) article where they tested either a KB or Whipple Mustang and got great numbers and they also tested a G8 with an MP1900 and got great numbers there too. I believe the MP1900 had a higher horsepower limit (800) than the KB/Whipple (700) but what was funny was, was the KB/Whipple was actually like a 2.3L supercharger, so it actually was larger than the MP1900. Anyhoo, I think the Maggy' has come up
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I am working on a group buy for the STS Turbo Kit. I am expecting to be able to offer the kit at 7k-8k. I am looking for the group buy, and will not be making money on this deal at all !! I just wanted a kit, and I will get a lower price if I do it with a group buy.

I have also been in contact with Procharger, and have experience with them. I do plan to offer a group buy with the, but they have been less forthcoming with info for me, and I will have to wait until I can arrange something with them.
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I think if it's good enough for the LSA and LS9, it's probably good enough for me, LOL! After recalling a statement that GM went from turbos to this supercharger because of heat problems (I don't recall the exact terminology they used) I figured they know better than I.
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LOL - I think that's what it was. I still ponder exactly what that could mean... Torched pistons? Sheet! The long block on LS9 is totaly forged and beefed up! What could go wrong? Well, that's a dumb question, but I mean within a reasonable level. Maybe there was just so little room with those hair driers in there that the heat the put of and generated started melting all those composite panels in the engine compartment.

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