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Old 01-29-2011, 07:39 PM   #1
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Broke Something - Help Identify

I was installing my MGW shifter today and was removing the driver side mounting arm pin. Boy, when they say in the video that this is the most difficult part they weren't lying. Anyway, I inserted the 1/8 allen wrench through the access hole to pop the retaining clip out the other side but it didn't release. The wrench would go all the way through but the clip was still stuck. So, I resorted to using a screwdriver to pry the clip off. That worked, but in the process of leveraging the screwdriver on the top of the transmission I snapped off one of the two wire connectors attached. It is just about 4 to 6 inches forward of the retaining clip on the upper side of the transmission. It looks like it is just a stub with a resister in the connector as it doesn't lead away from where it was attached. It is one of those blue and white clips. When it snapped off there was a slight gurgling sound and it looks like some fluid is leaking from where it broke. It is red in color and I would assume it is transmission fluid.

Anyway, tucked my tail between my legs and called a tow to take it to the closest dealer to get it replaced on Monday. Does anyone have any idea what it may be that I broke?

Has anyone else had the same problem with those retaining clips?
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:01 AM   #3
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I don't think it was the transmission cooler line. This is an electrical connection. I'm pretty sure it's not the 1st to 2nd lockout solenoid. I installed the lockout by-pass a few months ago and it wasn't that solenoid. It may have been the reverse lockout but I'm not sure.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:16 AM   #4
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It's not a transmission cooler line, the LS3 doesn't flow tranny fluid through it's cooler lines. Not sure what it could be but I'll have a look at mine later as it's in the air for header install and let ya know what I think.
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I agree removing the clips id the hardest part. Pumpkin is on the lift. I'll look on my Tuesday my first day off and see what I can see.

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Old 01-30-2011, 11:52 AM   #6
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Does anyone have an exploded view of the SS manual transmission? I may be able to identify it by looking at that. I checked GM Parts Direct but there aren't any diagrams of the transmission. Apparently you can only buy the whole transmission from them. I hope that isn't the case for this part...If so I think I'm going to be sick.
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Thanks 1CAMSS, that helped. I've circled the part I think I broke on the picture. I can't check for sure because my car is now at the shop sitting in the lot. Does anyone know what this is? I only broke the small connector off of the end of it. I didn't break the entire part off. Just the plastic blue and white clip.


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+1 looked at some pic's from when we dropped my trans sure looks like the culprit
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Thanks 1CAMSS, that helped. I've circled the part I think I broke on the picture. I can't check for sure because my car is now at the shop sitting in the lot. Does anyone know what this is? I only broke the small connector off of the end of it. I didn't break the entire part off. Just the plastic blue and white clip.

I would think the dealer can get the solenoid for you.
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Well - I just learned a huge heart breaking lesson today. The dealer identified the broken part. It is the 2-3 solenoid. I wasn't aware there was one. Anyway, $200 for the replacement part. That isn't the bad part. To replace it they have to drop the exhaust and transmission out of the car. That's another $900 in labor bringing it to about $1100 plus tax.

This is a huge setback for me. I 'm fairly handy and consider myself capable of doing just about anything. One slip of a screwdriver in a split second is going to cost me more than it would have cost me to have someone else do it. My wife is understanding, but I think I may be out of modifications for a long time. I'm quite depressed about this now.

Let this thread serve as a warning to anyone installing an aftermarket shifter on their own. Be VERY CAREFUL around the transmission. I couldn't see the connector I broke or I would have avoided it.

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Well - I just learned a huge heart breaking lesson today. The dealer identified the broken part. It is the 2-3 solenoid. I wasn't aware there was one. Anyway, $200 for the replacement part. That isn't the bad part. To replace it they have to drop the exhaust and transmission out of the car. That's another $900 in labor bringing it to about $1100 plus tax.

This is a huge setback for me. I 'm fairly handy and consider myself capable of doing just about anything. One slip of a screwdriver in a split second is going to cost me more than it would have cost me to have someone else do it. My wife is understanding, but I think I may be out of modifications for a long time. I'm quite depressed about this now.

Let this thread serve as a warning to anyone installing an aftermarket shifter on their own. Be VERY CAREFUL around the transmission. I couldn't see the connector I broke or I would have avoided it.

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i really hate to hear this and i am sorry you have had such bad luck. i really htink they are POSSIBLY being a bit dishonest here as it would seem to me that this solenoid is a screw in type just like the reverse solenoid in front and if so you should not have to remove the tranny to install it. you may want to get another dealer to look at it.


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i really htink they are POSSIBLY being a bit dishonest here as it would seem to me that this solenoid is a screw in type just like the reverse solenoid in front and if so you should not have to remove the tranny to install it. you may want to get another dealer to look at it.
Unfortunately with the transmission fluid leaking from the solenoid it isn't really driveable. I can't afford any more to truck it around town getting a quote. I guess I can call around, but I suspect nobody will quote me a price without looking at it. The part isn't going to be in for a week so I may try calling around but I don't have a lot of hope.
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i really hate to hear this and i am sorry you have had such bad luck. i really htink they are POSSIBLY being a bit dishonest here as it would seem to me that this solenoid is a screw in type just like the reverse solenoid in front and if so you should not have to remove the tranny to install it. you may want to get another dealer to look at it.


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Unfortunately with the transmission fluid leaking from the solenoid it isn't really driveable. I can't afford any more to truck it around town getting a quote. I guess I can call around, but I suspect nobody will quote me a price without looking at it. The part isn't going to be in for a week so I may try calling around but I don't have a lot of hope.
Tell them to push it into the parking lot and do it yourself. Should only take a few hours if you bring jackstands and all. I can't imagine you couldn't get it. OMG.......... 900.00......... unbelievable.
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I understand your frustration, but don't beat yourself too much about it. I mean, having to pay for repairs is bad enough!
Big blow to the wallet that's for sure, but I hope that doesn't kill your DIY spirit, we all make mistakes, we just have to learn from them.

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call up a shop that only does tranny work. see what they would charge to do it. should be way cheaper.
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That's the skip shift solenoid. (AKA 2nd and 3rd gear blocking solenoid).

You don't have to remove the trans from the car, but you do have to take the driveshaft out and lower the trans a bit. And the exhaust has to come out.

900 bucks labor is 9ish hours or more depending on the rate. Way overbilling for lowering the trans a bit. All you do is put a support under the trans, remove the mount, and then lower it slightly. Nothing in the bellhousing, clutch or any of that is touched.

I'd ask what time the 900 is based on. Flat rat pays 5.8 hours which seems generous. I'd bet a fast tech could do that job in 4 hrs, a slow one in 6ish. One that is raping you .... 9+.
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go another round with them man..

that is not cool.

way over charging you on labor.
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I understand your frustration, but don't beat yourself too much about it. I mean, having to pay for repairs is bad enough!
Big blow to the wallet that's for sure, but I hope that doesn't kill your DIY spirit, we all make mistakes, we just have to learn from them.

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That's the skip shift solenoid. (AKA 2nd and 3rd gear blocking solenoid).

You don't have to remove the trans from the car, but you do have to take the driveshaft out and lower the trans a bit. And the exhaust has to come out.

900 bucks labor is 9ish hours or more depending on the rate. Way overbilling for lowering the trans a bit. All you do is put a support under the trans, remove the mount, and then lower it slightly. Nothing in the bellhousing, clutch or any of that is touched.

I'd ask what time the 900 is based on. Flat rat pays 5.8 hours which seems generous. I'd bet a fast tech could do that job in 4 hrs, a slow one in 6ish. One that is raping you .... 9+.
Car is undriveable in the mean time. Probably why they are screwing him. They know he's stuck.
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But seriously. I'd take it home and do the work yourself.

Have a buddy help. Save 900.00, even if it takes all day you save money. And learn something.

Damn, I hate hearing this.

But think about it this way,,,,,, how long does it take you to make 900.00 AFTER taxes?

If you have never done any auto work at all, maybe not, but it really isnt' that hard.
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But seriously. I'd take it home and do the work yourself.

Have a buddy help. Save 900.00, even if it takes all day you save money. And learn something.

Damn, I hate hearing this.

But think about it this way,,,,,, how long does it take you to make 900.00 AFTER taxes?

If you have never done any auto work at all, maybe not, but it really isnt' that hard.
a tow truck home would be worth it.

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But seriously. I'd take it home and do the work yourself.

Have a buddy help. Save 900.00, even if it takes all day you save money. And learn something.

Damn, I hate hearing this.

But think about it this way,,,,,, how long does it take you to make 900.00 AFTER taxes?

If you have never done any auto work at all, maybe not, but it really isnt' that hard.
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a tow truck home would be worth it.

And a middle finger on the way out the dealership.

But for reall......... I'm guessing as the towtruck was hooking to the car AT the dealer, they'd be feeling kinda stupid.
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And a middle finger on the way out the dealership.

But for reall......... I'm guessing as the towtruck was hooking to the car AT the dealer, they'd be feeling kinda stupid.
thats the dealer's problem.
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