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Old 01-31-2011, 09:37 PM   #1
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I hate the Aveo

I wanted to share something with everyone in the group about how bad the Chevy Aveo is. I recently purchased a Fiesta sub-compact as my second car in addition to my 1SS for work travel purchases. I drove a 2007 Aveo to San Diego this past year as a rental and it was the worst car I've ever driven my life (I've driven some bad ones). Not only was this Aveo underpowered it had the worst fit and finish of any GM vehicle I've ever have been in. To top it off the manual door lock on the driver side door would not lock, so once I managed to get in place I had to get out the passenger door. I know this is a $11,000 dollar car were talking about but this was piss poor for a modern car.

Soooo.... this brings me to the purchase of the Fiesta. I went to Van Chevrolet in Scottsdale Arizona so I could check out the Aveo since it had apparent (upgrades). Not only was interior still a joke, the powertrain was the same peice of crap from before, and things like ABS were not even standard still. I walked over to the Ford dealership next door and was blown away about how well the Fiesta was put together. Not only was the Fiesta cheaper it had more standard options, plus a much better engine that had more power and was more efficient. I'm fully aware that the Sonic will be replacing the Aveo but it killed me that I had to purchase a non-GM vehicle because it couldn't compete. I'm GM loyalist as my family has worked for the company in some capacity for the past 60 years, but I refuse to buy a bad sub-compact from them when had every opportunity to get it right. Don't get me wrong I love my Camaro but if I can save anyone the pain of having to deal with an Aveo whether it be a purchase, lease, or even rental I feel that I'll have accomplished something.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:47 PM   #2
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The Sonic is replacing the Aveo for very good reason.
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Probably because its a crappy Korean Daewoo and not a real North American Chevy
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:50 PM   #4
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Now Daewoo is being rebadged as Chevy everywhere and even though it will be called the Sonic the US market it will still be the Aveo everywhere else. Doesn't bode well for the Beat I would imagine.
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Probably because its a crappy Korean Daewoo and not a real North American Chevy
All cars are global products these days, but there is something to be said about that. It is too Daewoo for the American market. The styling and quality of the Aveo are behind the times, and an update isn't enough to make up for a generation of mediocre product. GM recognizes this and wants to compete with a superior product, and that is why the new Sonic is what it is.
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:04 PM   #6
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:31 PM   #7
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The Aveo was definitely a big let down. My mom was due for a new car and she wanted to go American and I hoped she would go GM. The Cruze is a great car but just a bit more than she could afford right now. The Aveo is just so cheap in every way I would never let her get one. Luckily we found a used 2008 Saturn Aura with super low miles and a great price (we just about stole it!!) from a GM dealer. She picked it up today and is super happy. I'd rather it was a brand new car but it was in such good shape and such low miles that it's pretty much new. At least the Aveo's on death row and it's replacement looks to be light years ahead of it.
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:05 PM   #8
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Not only was this Aveo underpowered it had the worst fit and finish of any GM vehicle I've ever have been in.


Sounds just like the two HHR's I had as rentals a few months back.
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:26 PM   #9
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The Sonic is replacing the Aveo for very good reason.
I saw the Sonic at the Barret Jackson new car area a couple weeks ago and I was impressed (for a small cheap car). The interior and exterior is no comparison to the Aveo. I just hope the build quality, power, and economy will match its looks. Should be a home run for GM if the price is right.
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:32 PM   #10
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the new Euro Fiesta is bad @ss. . .
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:33 PM   #11
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Sounds just like the two HHR's I had as rentals a few months back.
The build quality on my brother's HHR seems to be pretty decent
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:06 AM   #12
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The build quality on my brother's HHR seems to be pretty decent
I always thought the HHR had a lot of potential. I'd love to see GM make it a younger, cooler car. Right now, it's bland. What it needs is a body and interior that directly compete with young, hip cars in that size range: the xB, the Element, and the Soul. Even if we don't like those cars, we have to recognize that someone does. I never thought the HHR was a big market car, but it could be an important niche that drives young buyers to the Chevrolet brand. Hopefully, GM recognizes this the same way that GM recognized the need to replace the Cobalt and Aveo.
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Apparently GM had decided to abandon the HHR idea altogether.

Although there is supposedly a Volt MPV on the way that would have similar proportions...

And I've heard rumors of Chevrolet re-entering the minivan market...
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:27 AM   #14
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Apparently GM had decided to abandon the HHR idea altogether.

Although there is supposedly a Volt MPV on the way that would have similar proportions...

And I've heard rumors of Chevrolet re-entering the minivan market...
I've taken note of both possibilities. Evidently, Chevrolet executives announced a certain eagerness to dealers about entering the MPV and minivan markets, but most dealers, being themselves, did not notice. I hope GM keeps up the work of hitting young audiences with it's newest products. Most buyers will go for established lines, like the midsize sedan or the 7-passenger crossover. I'd like Chevrolet to keep busy on those fronts and also keep an eye on the same crowd Kia and Scion like to target. Earning their business early could translate into a generation of loyal customers.
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:50 AM   #15
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I have driven a 1.6l Aveo (T250) daily for the last 2 years and find it to be an excellent car for it's price and purpose. It's reliable and tough. At 1.5km altitude, it's pulls strong up to 120km/h which is perfect for a city car. It's easy to park with good visibility. The interior fit and finish is equal to that of an Audi A3 or a BMW 1 series. And most importantly, it's anonymous. I carry at times up to $50,000 worth of camera gear in a city with the second highest crime rate in the world, and it's not a target. I'm rolling it back into the GM fleet in a week or 2, and honestly, I'm going to miss it.

9 times out of 10, cars are tools. If you understand who and where it was designed for, you'd see the Aveo is a great global car. The refresh just makes it better.

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At least the Aveo's on death row and it's replacement looks to be light years ahead of it.
It's not on death row. It's (T300) just being renamed for the North American market. Globally, it's still called the Aveo.

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Now Daewoo is being rebadged as Chevy everywhere and even though it will be called the Sonic the US market it will still be the Aveo everywhere else. Doesn't bode well for the Beat I would imagine.
FYI, Daewoo IS a GM company. They bought the Daewoo Motor Company assets in 2001. Just like Cheverolet is a GM company. All they are doing is bringing elements of one asset to another, just like they used the I4 experience of Opel and the turbo knowledge of Saab. The Beat was never in same class as the Aveo, it was one of 3 design concepts for a new Spark.
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:05 AM   #16
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I've driven a 2006 aveo to montgomery al from jacksonville fla round trip in 2005. I had the hatchback one some it was okay didn't have much trunk room to say and that car felt like I was driving a souped up go kart. The handling felt like if you took a turn anywhere above 5 mi the car was going to flip, the power was laughable even for a compact my 1991 sentra xe was more power than that crap . Never have I driven a car that actually felt like it was built out of a house of cards and I'm glad gm is putting that abomination to rest. I feel like the aveo marks the end of the old gm and trash car designs to better ones (cruze,sonic, etc). The redeeming factor was the fact it had a cd player that was capable of playing mp3 cd's for trip and the sound system was decent.
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:22 AM   #17
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FYI, Daewoo IS a GM company. They bought the Daewoo Motor Company assets in 2001. Just like Cheverolet is a GM company. All they are doing is bringing elements of one asset to another, just like they used the I4 experience of Opel and the turbo knowledge of Saab. The Beat was never in same class as the Aveo, it was one of 3 design concepts for a new Spark.


Actually not totally, GM owns 70% of Daewoo. While GM is the majority holder the arrangement is similar with what Ford had going with Mazda back in the 90s. With that in mind you didn't see the Mazda nameplate disappear and that should say something, in fact the Fiesta I just bought is a (rebadged) Mazda2. I'm not disputing that the Aveo flys under the radar but I would challenge you to try any of competitors and see how big of a difference there really is.
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Actually not totally, GM owns 70% of Daewoo. While GM is the majority holder the arrangement is similar with what Ford had going with Mazda back in the 90s. With that in mind you didn't see the Mazda nameplate disappear and that should say something, in fact the Fiesta I just bought is a (rebadged) Mazda2. I'm not disputing that the Aveo flys under the radar but I would challenge you to try any of competitors and see how big of a difference there really is.
While it is a 70% stake holder, the other 30% isn't owned by the Daewoo parent company. It's held by the Korean Development Bank (17%), Suzuki (6.8%), and Shanghai Auto (6%). The last 2 being GM partners in other ventures. The Company is actually called GM DAT. So, it's fair to say that GM owns it, it certainly is control of all the IP and designs. And the Mazda/Ford comparison isn't quite right, since the Daewoo brand is only being kept in Korea and Vietnam, IIRC. Everywhere else, the new designs are Chevrolet.

And trust me, I have tried the competitors. My wife makes me. It's GMSA policy to rent the competitors cars when ever traveling. I thank GM-DAT when ever I get home to my T250. Everyone in this thread is bitching about the T200, and that model was a direct rebadge from Daewoo. But, starting with the T250 redesign, it was brought in line with the global manufacturing standards; and now the most recent T300 is a Chevrolet through and through.

Looking at the GM US site, the LS sedan is $11,900. My camera and one lens costs more then that. Driving a Camaro and then renting an Aveo isn't an ideal way to appreciate that car. But, understanding who and where it was designed for, can really show off GM's commitment to quality small cars; at a great value.
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My girlfriend's daily driver is an AVEO. My take on it is its cheap, it feels cheap, looks cheap, cheap on gas, cheap parts, cheap engine....but She got the car because it was the Cheapest thing on the market. I guess you get what you pay for...but one good thing I will say is last week when we got 8 inches of snow here in STL the AVEO still pushed through the snow and she made it 30 miles to work! That little bastard is reliable, compact, gas saver, and I believe even with its low grade materials and non existant options, its still a good car.
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Comparing an old Aveo to the new Fiesta is....well "unfair" doesn't quite provide the strength of the meaning I'm trying to convey. It's a carryover vehicle from the days before GM reinvented themselves. I'm happy to hear it's going away for good.

Like Fenwick said -- the Sonic (US built, designed, etc) is problem solved. It's being positioned as a sporty subcompact (with identical powertrains as the Cruze, Corvette-tuned handling and less weight...there's something to be said for that).

I think the sonic should do very well in the marketplace...especially when gas prices spike with 40+ mpg.
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Comparing an old Aveo to the new Fiesta is....well "unfair" doesn't quite provide the strength of the meaning I'm trying to convey. It's a carryover vehicle from the days before GM reinvented themselves. I'm happy to hear it's going away for good.

Like Fenwick said -- the Sonic (US built, designed, etc) is problem solved. It's being positioned as a sporty subcompact (with identical powertrains as the Cruze, Corvette-tuned handling and less weight...there's something to be said for that).

I think the sonic should do very well in the marketplace...especially when gas prices spike with 40+ mpg.
Exactly I was blown away by how much Sonic concept was an improvement over the Aevo. I imagine that the Sonic will be pretty quick with the 138hp Ecotech under the hood, I even think the name is kinda catchy. Unfortunately I couldn't wait a year for Sonic and Fiesta it was because I'm not putting 25,000 miles my Camaro (period). Bottom line these are sub-compacts we're talking about you use them and throw them in the trash when your done, better get the best one for the money.
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If it comes from Daewoo/Korea, it's garbage.

My DD lately has been a new Equinox 4cyl. I like it mostly, great on gas for the huge commute miles I rack up. But the Korean transmission is horrible.

It's a sad day when you buy a Chevy and get garbage Daewoo components from Korea.
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If it comes from Daewoo/Korea, it's garbage.

My DD lately has been a new Equinox 4cyl. I like it mostly, great on gas for the huge commute miles I rack up. But the Korean transmission is horrible.

It's a sad day when you buy a Chevy and get garbage Daewoo components from Korea.
It's a six-speed Hydromatic...GM designed, same found in all different vehicles from the company...
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It's a six-speed Hydromatic...GM designed, same found in all different vehicles from the company...
Hey, this is the internet. Don't bring logic into this. Best not to tell him it's made in Canada, either.
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It's a six-speed Hydromatic...GM designed, same found in all different vehicles from the company...
Is it not built at a Daewoo plant in Korea?

I just can't stand the way it operates. At some speeds the trans has engine braking, some speeds its coasting, sometimes you'll be coasting along and it will downshift and it feels like the brakes are on. Some mphs such as low 50s it lugs the engine down to below 1500 rpm and the whole vehicle just moans and resonates with that 4 cyl lugging.

At 75 mph where the trans doesn't have to do a thing, it's perfect. At lower speeds, the shifting and downshifting calibration is horrible. And why some gears have engine braking is strange. Let off the gas at 35 and your slowing right down. Let off the gas at 40 and your coasting...

A transmission should be hardly noticeable. This thing is constantly annoying.
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