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Old 02-01-2011, 09:17 PM   #1
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Help me make a decision!

OK here are the options I am considering.

Option #1 TSP 231/236 camshaft package and dyno tune
Pros- great sound and good power increase
Cons- no long tubes currently (planned for later but $$$)
Projected cost @ 1600.00

Option #2 Set of rear drag wheels and slicks
Pros- Increaed traction for quicker ET and more consistent
ET and reaction times.
Cons- More likely to break things (just bought spare set of stock axles),
probrably need a line-loc
Projected cost @ 1700.00 (incl line-loc)

Car is a 6 speed stick
Current mods- Solo cats, x pipe and flowmasters, CAI cold air intake
Future mods- both of the above + Headers, U/D pulley, 2 step, mabey a gear (4.11 or 4.33) but major $$$$,
Upgraded rear suspension.

Having to re-tune after putting headers on later will run @150.00 ish

So,input???
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i feel long tubes are the first step to getting gains from your car. you going to put them on sooner or later. why not put them on now?
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Old 02-01-2011, 09:34 PM   #3
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Camshaft, without a doubt. Worry about the slicks once you're putting more power down. (Might I suggest a cam? )
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I say headers before cam.

Get you some headers and new tune, go buy you some trailing arms, and maybe add some rear-end busings/cradle inserts.

Then you can work on tires if needed. That's the route I would go.
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:17 PM   #5
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i feel long tubes are the first step to getting gains from your car. you going to put them on sooner or later. why not put them on now?
While I agree that long tubes will be needed, I would guess that Long tubes and a tune would give me less of a performance increace that the cam replacement. I have the solo cats so I dont think I would pick up the 40 hp that many report from the headers. The main drawback is that it would cost me more money for the additional tune if I don't do the cam and headers together, no matter which order it's in.

However, your vote is now counted!

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Alot of times the price to install a cam has tune included with it.

Now...if you install the cam yourself, you'll probably need to pay to have it re-tuned. But then you just saved a ton on install labor.
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:27 PM   #7
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Camshaft, without a doubt. Worry about the slicks once you're putting more power down. (Might I suggest a cam? )
I hear ya on the cam. I would imagine that the cam would be a .2-.3 (maybe .4) decrease ET in the 1/4.

As far as the slicks go. The car is a stick so traction is a major issue now. Unless riding the clutch just right you can't get a good 60' or 1/4 mile. (Somehow when the clutch sticks, a common problem, it seems to stick about 3/4 way up and the car has it's fastet passes this way! Once shifted to 2nd the clutch releases fully and all is good).

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Old 02-01-2011, 10:37 PM   #8
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I say headers before cam.

Get you some headers and new tune, go buy you some trailing arms, and maybe add some rear-end busings/cradle inserts.

Then you can work on tires if needed. That's the route I would go.
Another vote for headers? Hmmm? I just don't thing the headers will net as much as the cam. I realize that I need both eventualy but I think I'll be down 10-20 hp cam only vs. 20-40 hp headrs only (assuming that with cam, headers, tune I could gain 30-60 hp overall)

The only advantage I see to tires only would be delaying the cam/headers till I could afford both together, which would save me a little $$ since no retune. I am really afraid of the axles if I go that route. I will be doing the cam, headers, etc. install myself. Mechanicly I'm good but tuning, not familiar enough.

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Headers 1st. Increased sound and drop some weight..
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I would tell you to take the time to call Andy @ ADM or Jennetty and talk to them about it.

I think if you add to big a cam right now you'll be restricted by the less flowing OEM headers. So then you either go with a smaller cam or leave HP on the table with the bigger cam. Don't expect to see those 50-60 rwhp gains from a cam when you'll be using the OEM headers.

You're kind of in a tuff spot. I agree with you that adding just headers/tune won't net you the 40 rwhp gains others are seeing but I bet you'll see 20-25 rwhp. I would bet that adding a big cam without headers you'll probably be looking at the same rwhp as well. Maybe just a little more.

It almost seems to me that you should just sit tight and save until you have enough to do headers, cam, tune all at once.

Getting the right combination is key.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:41 PM   #11
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I agree with the rest on the headers thing. Open that thing up. But you are right. A cam could blow through and give more gains. Sucks you can't do both together. And remember this.... some shops will do a retune at no additional cost if you let them do the upgraded mods in the future.

So I guess my vote is cam if headers is not an option.

You can learn how to launch on stock wheels and the added power will be funer for every day action.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:50 PM   #12
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I agree with the rest on the headers thing. Open that thing up. But you are right. A cam could blow through and give more gains. Sucks you can't do both together. And remember this.... some shops will do a retune at no additional cost if you let them do the upgraded mods in the future.

So I guess my vote is cam.

You can learn how to launch on stock wheels and the added power will be funer for every day action.
Yea, I'm kinda in no mans land. Unfortunatley since I would be doing the install myself, the initial tune prices I'm getting are about 600.00 and retune about 150.00. I did call a friend of mine that owns Atlanta Chassis Dyno (Brad Brand, runs a Twin turbo mustang Dixie Pro mod) to see what ideas he has, but he hasn't made it back from the races this weekend.

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believe or not, thinking back i was in the same boat as you are. i had the same setup up as you with a tune. and i wanted to get a cam. but people were telling me i was leaving to much power on the table so i got headers instead. and then got my cam last week. happy i went down this route
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My vote is the rims and tires, I have been racing for years and whats the point of all that power and not putting it down! Your running good times for your mods, imagine what you could do with a good 60ft... I bet you see 12.20s once you figure out how to launch on the drag tires. Then put the headers or cam in it... and your running 11s just like that, and not worried about launching the car and you will see what it can really do. 18" drag rims will be alot of rotating mass of the car and that will help pick up in ET also.
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Confused. I only see two options- camshaft or slicks...
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Tires. More power is only going to worsen your traction issue. Most people can't hook the car stock let alone modified. The more power you add will only increase the chance of snapping axles when you do get sticky tires. I've added some cheap mods and am at 425rwhp but can't touch the fastest bone stock times since I can't get it to hook. The prices for rims and tires is hard to swallow but would probably be the most gains for one given mod. Then some bushings and gears.... when dynoing the car my tuner was shocked how 4th topped out at 155mph. That's crazy! These cars are begging for 4.10's.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:25 AM   #17
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My vote is the rims and tires, I have been racing for years and whats the point of all that power and not putting it down! Your running good times for your mods, imagine what you could do with a good 60ft... I bet you see 12.20s once you figure out how to launch on the drag tires. Then put the headers or cam in it... and your running 11s just like that, and not worried about launching the car and you will see what it can really do. 18" drag rims will be alot of rotating mass of the car and that will help pick up in ET also.
I feel the same way about tires, but the axles scare me, and I just cant afford 1500+ for axles. (sure wish I coul order some strange or moser like a the good ole days .... solid axle). My thinking with the cam is that I probrably won't start breaking things until it hooks, but after that all bets are off. Not to mention until I get to 3500+rpm it probrabley wont be making that much more power anyway so any additional traction issues might not be that signifigant. It sure would be nice to be able to leave and have a clue what to dial or work on the tree a little.

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Confused. I only see two options- camshaft or slicks...
I know, but any input could help. (although I am still leaning more toward cam or slick instead of headers, but maybe I'll be convinced)
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Tires. More power is only going to worsen your traction issue. Most people can't hook the car stock let alone modified. The more power you add will only increase the chance of snapping axles when you do get sticky tires. I've added some cheap mods and am at 425rwhp but can't touch the fastest bone stock times since I can't get it to hook. The prices for rims and tires is hard to swallow but would probably be the most gains for one given mod. Then some bushings and gears.... when dynoing the car my tuner was shocked how 4th topped out at 155mph. That's crazy! These cars are begging for 4.10's.
I tend to tkink that I could put as much power, within reason, that I want and I won't break axles, just spin till next week. I do agree I could pick up just as muck ET by being able to leave hard vs more power, just gainig in different places on the timeslip. I really want a gear also but that is beyond my ability to install myself and that is some major $$$, but one day it will be mine!!!!

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why not just save up a bunch of money and do everything (except the tires) at once? headers, camshaft, tune...one shot one kill!
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why not just save up a bunch of money and do everything (except the tires) at once? headers, camshaft, tune...one shot one kill!
Patience is a virtue.....one that I do not have.
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OK here are the options I am considering.

Option #1 TSP 231/236 camshaft package and dyno tune
Pros- great sound and good power increase
Cons- no long tubes currently (planned for later but $$$)
Projected cost @ 1600.00

Option #2 Set of rear drag wheels and slicks
Pros- Increaed traction for quicker ET and more consistent
ET and reaction times.
Cons- More likely to break things (just bought spare set of stock axles),
probrably need a line-loc
Projected cost @ 1700.00 (incl line-loc)

Car is a 6 speed stick
Current mods- Solo cats, x pipe and flowmasters, CAI cold air intake
Future mods- both of the above + Headers, U/D pulley, 2 step, mabey a gear (4.11 or 4.33) but major $$$$,
Upgraded rear suspension.

Having to re-tune after putting headers on later will run @150.00 ish

So,input???
Looks like you will frequent the Track, As a Life time drag racer I suggest you maximize what you have now with Slicks and Gears and Line lock.

Contrary to popular belief Slicks Will SAVE your Axles by absorbing Shock.

Gears will take the Stress off your clutch and transmission.

A Set of V6 Brakes in the Rear will allow 16 inch wheels with Slicks to be bolted on.

I can certainly help you Optimize your ET and MPH with your Current Power.

Oh, I have a set of slightly used 16 inch slicks for sale by the way.

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What is it about your car that you would like to improve? Is the car a daily driver or weekend toy? Question being because if you break something can you afford to go without the car until it is fixed?
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I KNOW YOU LOVE THE TRACK SO OPTION 2
SEEM LIKE THE WAY TO GO. BUT HOW OFTEN
YOU GETTING THERE. WITH THE CAM YOU GET
TO HEAR AND FEEL IT EVERYDAY. THATS WHY
TIRES ARE NEXT FOR ME.
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