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Old 02-09-2011, 10:42 PM   #1
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Stainless Brake lines

Ok, so I'm figuring I might as well upgrade the brake lines when I swap out for the Brembos. So far I have found three aftermarket brake lines:

Goodridge from Stillen- about $180

MTI Racing- $150

IPS- $100

Any pros/cons to these? Are the IPS ones just as good as the Goodridge for half the price? Any other options?

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Old 02-10-2011, 10:15 AM   #2
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What you look for in aftermarket lines are strain relief and OE mounting hardware.



Pictured are Pedders 5th Gen Camaro brake lines with strain relief and integrated mounting brackets that use the OE mounting points.
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Ok, so I'm figuring I might as well upgrade the brake lines when I swap out for the Brembos. So far I have found three aftermarket brake lines:

Goodridge from Stillen- about $180

MTI Racing- $150

IPS- $100

Any pros/cons to these? Are the IPS ones just as good as the Goodridge for half the price? Any other options?

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Keep in mind that Goodridge is the world leader in SS lines, supplying F1, NASCAR and every major racing series around the world. The upgrade line kits are also TÜV-certified, which is not easy to get! Since they are an OE supplier, they have the equipment to do certification testing and production testing in-house, so each line kit is pressure tested before packaging.

Make sure whichever lines you buy are quality bits. There is a huge variance in line quality right now, the most I've ever seen in my 20+ years of doing this. Some of the ones on display at SEMA/AAPEX should be outlawed!
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:24 PM   #4
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Keep in mind that Goodridge is the world leader in SS lines, supplying F1, NASCAR and every major racing series around the world. The upgrade line kits are also TÜV-certified, which is not easy to get! Since they are an OE supplier, they have the equipment to do certification testing and production testing in-house, so each line kit is pressure tested before packaging.

Make sure whichever lines you buy are quality bits. There is a huge variance in line quality right now, the most I've ever seen in my 20+ years of doing this. Some of the ones on display at SEMA/AAPEX should be outlawed!
I know you probably don't want to bash any companies on an open forum but would you pm me ones to stay away from? I just want to get the best value and want to know why some are twice as expensive.
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:59 PM   #5
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I know you probably don't want to bash any companies on an open forum but would you pm me ones to stay away from? I just want to get the best value and want to know why some are twice as expensive.
You're right, I won't do that! However, keep in mind that Goodridge is doing the best they can to keep costs down. If they could make them for less money, they would. Safety, performance and quality control just don't go on sale.

If something costs half the price, you have to ask yourself what are they leaving out? You can hold different sets in your hands with your eyes closed and feel how the steel braid handles deflection. Some of the cheapest lines crackle and creak, jerking and moving unevenly. Some even start to kink instead of continuing to bend. I don't want that stuff on my car -- especially for a system so critical to safety as brakes. One bad experience makes a small up front cost savings seem pretty trivial.
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:39 AM   #7
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I have the Pedders brake lines on my car. Highly recommended. Really improved the pedal feel and brake response.
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I was hoping IPS would chime in here and tell us how they can make the same quality for half the price. They are a vendor here so I'd like their input...

Looks like I'll be going Pedders or Goodridge probably, damn this is getting to be an expensive brake swap.
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I have the Pedders lines they are high quality and they mount just like the oem,no zip ties,no chance of a line being rubbed into.
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I put on the IPS ones. I got them for $80 during the Black Friday sale around Christmas time. I've only had them on the car for a couple months but so far so good.

It looks like they have the same mounting hardware as in post #2. I'm not sure what is meant buy strain relief but from what I can tell from the pics they look just like what post #2 has but in black instead of red.

Not sure how they make them cheap but they weren't half of the MTI ones. The MTI ones are like $130 and IPS is $95. I don't remember what the Goodrich ones cost but I don't remember them being $200. I could be wrong on that though.

LOL...maybe IPS ones are made in China????
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I got the Goodrich set from Tire Rack. Installed last summer - no installation issues and no problems to date. Have used Goodrich lines on purpose built road racing cars for sometime and never had any issues.
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I installed a couple sets of Goodrich lines on GTO's, and after that I had to stop, there were more issues with them than they fixed. We even re-did one of the cars with another manufactures lines because the customer wasn't happy with them

I've installed a few sets of the Pedders lines for the Camaro and they fix perfectly, and there have been no issues at all.
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I installed a couple sets of Goodrich lines on GTO's, and after that I had to stop, there were more issues with them than they fixed. We even re-did one of the cars with another manufactures lines because the customer wasn't happy with them

I've installed a few sets of the Pedders lines for the Camaro and they fix perfectly, and there have been no issues at all.
Wow! We've been putting them on GTO's since '04 with no issues that come to mind.
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They have no proper mount to mount them to the front struts, the rears are not made correctly, so they either rub on the tire, or they are bent too far in.

are you a vendor on this board? you seem to have very strong opinions on brakes, and advertise for people in your signature, so i'm curious about your reasoning for taking certain positions at times.

I have no benefit either way for Goodrich, Russell, or the Pedders lines. I sell Pedders and Russell, but not goodrich. The reason i don't sell goodrich is due to problems, one of which includes a GTO that lost it's brakes due to a defective goodrich line, and i refuse to sell a sub par product.

could you explain your background/employment a bit so i can understand?
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We have had a manufacturer / Dealer relationship for almost five years. He is one of the few people I trust with beta fit parts. When Rob says some thing doesn't fit I listen.

Our sales of Pedders Camaro brake lines have been excellent. One reason for this is that they mount like OE lines and don't require the installer / customer to figure out how to mount them. Our brand is so strong in the GTO world we planned to make GTO brake lines. The OE mounting brackets are to complex to cost effectively produce. That is Why Pedders does not make brake lines for the GTO. If we can't make a part to fit and install like the OE part, we don't make it.

Long story short, when Rob says they don't fit and he has had problems with them you can take it to the bank.
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I just installed MTI lines and they mounted perfectly with zero issues except the fact that with the new lines, pads and rotors, I need to see my dentist b/c I busted my teeth on the steering wheel!
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K well there isn't a company on this forum I respect more than Pedders, plus there are numerous reps on the boards that I can come to with questions; so my mind is made up.

Now where can I get the lowest price?
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I just installed MTI lines and they mounted perfectly with zero issues except the fact that with the new lines, pads and rotors, I need to see my dentist b/c I busted my teeth on the steering wheel!
Lol I'll probably put my head through the windshield since I'm going from V6 brakes to Brembos with braided lines and Hawk pads.
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I just installed MTI lines and they mounted perfectly with zero issues except the fact that with the new lines, pads and rotors, I need to see my dentist b/c I busted my teeth on the steering wheel!
I too installed the MTI brake lines but found the aluminum "grommet" that holds the brake line in place to the factory mounting points did not fit. I've seen several other vendors brake lines have the same issue, almost like they were made so they wouldn't fit.
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Lol I'll probably put my head through the windshield since I'm going from V6 brakes to Brembos with braided lines and Hawk pads.
I don't think you'll see harder braking, they both stop quick! But you'll now have the advantage of stopping quick more than once before they fade to nothing, along with better feel
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K well there isn't a company on this forum I respect more than Pedders, plus there are numerous reps on the boards that I can come to with questions; so my mind is made up.
Thank you for placing your trust in Pedders for your 5th Gen bits. We appreciate your business.
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