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Old 02-03-2009, 09:24 AM   #1
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Ram-Air Intake Modification

I was trying to figure out what it would take to make the mail slot functional. It looks like it would be nothing short of an involved customization job, requiring the removal of the hood latch and a good portion of the space around it.

Despite this, I would like to see some discussion of how we could implement a functional scoop at the front of the Camaro.



Obviously, the hood latch is a necessary feature, so hood pins or a new latch would be necessary. Is anything else in the vicinity as necessary? What kind of body work would we need to do to make this happen without destroying the otherwise attractive appearance of the engine bay?
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If I were to do it, I would relocate the hood latch mechanism over a foot and then put a second latch on the other side so that you would actually have 2 hood latches working off the same hood release cable. Once you've done that, you are free to go nuts with the sawzall.
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to much work..
plus for the amount of destruction to the car vs power gain...
wld b useless
i wldnt b able 2 do that 2 my baby.
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to much work..
plus for the amount of destruction to the car vs power gain...
I agree but somebody is definitely going to do it.
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o i no they will..

or try, lol

i wish it was functional as well but there is no room there for a air intake.. the intake wld b so narrow and restrictive that it wld only be a minimal intake amount anyway...
if they wanted a well functioning ram air the mail slot shld b moved onto the begining of the hood and made larger.. kinda similar to the trans am style, then @ least you would be able to put in a larger intake (tubing and what not), with the larger openings on the hood you could move more air and @ the same time with nearly no alteration to the car
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:18 AM   #6
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blur I cant believe you didnt do a search.... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8348&highlight=mail+slot








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I'd be worried about taking away from or changing the crash protection properties of that area. Being the hood is aluminum, it'll fold pretty easy, but that vertical latch support is bolted/welded to the upper tie bar on the radiator support, and all of that ties together to hold the sheetmetal together, and also ties the front unibody rails. I think it's worth considering keeping some sort of vertical support for the latch and find some way to funnel the airflow around the support and channel it to the throttle body. If someone were to be able to engineer a tubular vertical support, it wouldn't need to be as wide and gangly as a lot of stamped supports are, and air would flow around it easier/smoother. Given this idea, what does the back side of the upper tiebar look like? Does the radiator go all the way up to the bottom of the tie bar? If so, there won't be a way to channel the air like I'm thinking without major surgery of the tie bar and replacing the radiator with a shorter unit. That would leave trying to funnel the air above the tie bar, but then we would have to deal with probably trimming the catch on the hood to some degree which might weaken it. To my eye, the hood sits pretty flush with the top of the upper tie bar, and unless there is a way to channel the air under the tie bar, I don't think it's going to be feasible to route the air above it without major cutting on the underside of the hood. Given I haven't seen the car yet, or pictures in the area I'm talking about, I'm only guessing and throwing that out there. Perhaps, it'll be best to see what aftermarket hoods come out and if they will be equipped with CAI or something. Maybe SLP or Suncoast will come up with something.

As far as the post about any benefits, I don't disagree, IMVHO. Although I think it would be so cool to make it functional, I know it isn't going to add much more power than a more traditional CAI system. I am totally interested in seeing what can be done to make it functional though. Maybe a company like Vararam will be able to come up with something - that would totally be cool.

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I was trying to figure out what it would take to make the mail slot functional. It looks like it would be nothing short of an involved customization job, requiring the removal of the hood latch and a good portion of the space around it.

Despite this, I would like to see some discussion of how we could implement a functional scoop at the front of the Camaro.

Obviously, the hood latch is a necessary feature, so hood pins or a new latch would be necessary. Is anything else in the vicinity as necessary? What kind of body work would we need to do to make this happen without destroying the otherwise attractive appearance of the engine bay?
If you look at better pics of the engine compartment, you'll see that the radiator is directly behind the hood latch and the radiator takes up almost all of the room near it so getting around it without restricting air flow would require not only moving the radiator but also getting a smaller one as well.
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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=mail+slot

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Old 02-03-2009, 11:02 AM   #14
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Yeah love the Vararam idea. Very good looking product and makes great numbers for a CAI. Hope they can come up with something for the Camaro.
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I can't view that link, so if this is a duplicate, I'm sorry to everyone.

But when I enlarge this image, in that area, I agree that radiator seems to be hugging that tie bar pretty close. Also, where in the Heck would we stick a filter? Ugh - this is looking more hopeless. I think we're going to have to wait for a hood to come out or stick with the typical CAIs out there.
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Maybe you could go around the latch somehow...would still require modifications to chassis though.
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Maybe you could go around the latch somehow...would still require modifications to chassis though.
Radiator is in the way. You can't go over it without lowering it first but then you have physics against you plus there is a chance of it bottoming out and damaging it. You could try going around it but then again 2 90' angles and 1 180' angle will kill all advantage that ram air gives. You would have to get a smaller radiator any way you do it but then again you come to the question will it provided enough cooling for the engine.
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I am definitely trying to figure out a way to do a ram air modification. I took a whole bunch of pictures for just that purpose at H.A.S.


There is alittle room above the radiator

Room to go around the hood latch

Again alittle room above the radiator

Yes this is on the V6 but its the same on the V8 there is nothing below the hood latch and between the grill and radiator.

Mail slot is plenty wide to split around the latch

Behind grill
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Yeah, there's a lot of engineering that needs to go into this
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Wasting your time. You couldn't pull in enough air through that slot to feed that engine at high rpms. Not to mention that there is no such thing as ram air...
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Anyone considered modifying the hood to use it like the old Cowl Induction hoods of the past?
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So Dan, let me get this straight. You couldn't get enough air through a forward facing wide albeit narrow slot but you can fit enough air through this little bitty foam covered opening behind a headlight?

Something about that just doesn't make sense.
And yes there is technically no such thing as ram air but that is what that style of intake is called.
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Wasting your time. You couldn't pull in enough air through that slot to feed that engine at high rpms. Not to mention that there is no such thing as ram air...
I have heard that from several people now and I just don't understand what makes people believe that. Anyone ever look at the "ram air" system on a 4th gen, that looks alot more restrictive than the mail slot.

I wouldn't consider the mod a waste of time if it's something you consider important, regardless of the $/hp ratio. To be hounest I wish it came factory but it won't be in my budget to make happen. Who knows, maybe SLP will make a kit that makes it functional without cutting.
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I envision a dedicated hood similar to the cowl induction hood or even a forward facing scoop. The premise is removing the decorative intake cover, assuming it is decorative, and adding an air filter intake plenum that comes off the throttle body, then turns 180O upward, and back on itself as it widens out sitting atop of the intake, like the decorative cover and attaches in a similar manner.

On top of that, inside, sits the air filter, with the periphery of the opening trimmed in a rubber seal that the hood seals to.
IMHO, anything forward off the TB requiring modification to the core support ect, may not look as well executed.

I am making a cardboard one using my GTO as a guide. Now if GM would provide sample vehicles to some of these aftermarket developers to shorten lead times to production on these parts we could have them shortly after these vehicles come out. Heck if they had the math it would be even quicker. CAD model knocked out in several days and a rapid prototype resin part complete in 2. Life would be good.
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Since the camaro should be fairly similar to the G8, hopefully, with respect to the hood latch, hood clearance, radiator clearance, TB placement etc, this style of intake the G8's are running should be a viable option...this is the same style intake that has powered a cam only G8 to a 10.87 @ 128mph...here are some pics






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