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Old 02-04-2011, 01:43 AM   #1
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E-Force vs Our 416 635 hp package

Looking for thoughts on a 635 hp package vs the E-Force for the same $6595.97..

What would you rather do and why?
Have a naturally aspirated 416 cubic inch engine making 535-550 at the rear tires of a standard transmission car or the oem engine and the E-Force making 504 hp or so at the tires.
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We offer both items for the same price .. which would you rather have and why?
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:46 AM   #2
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id like to drop a 416 into my C5, but you'd have to convert a couple parts
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:57 AM   #3
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I personally would rather have a blower if they made the same power. For me haveing a blower just makes your car very unique and I love the sound of a blower. Not to mention if I ever want to sell the car I always have the option to sell it on the car or sell the blower by itself. I find you narrow the scope of buyers when a car is modded, so I have always like to return mine to just about 100% stock. Going internal I would never have that option.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:10 AM   #4
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416 ftw.... no contest.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:27 AM   #5
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Would the 416 have the same drive ability and dependability as the S/C?
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:35 AM   #6
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it would definitely be more dependable/reliable. The 416 has forged internals... with an eforce, you are still sitting on a stock longblock.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:56 AM   #7
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I have played this scenario in my head over and over what I want to do. I want a motor that is like stock, that can push over 650rwhp. The 416 isnt it, and maybe a 427 could get close. But like said before, when it comes time to sell the car, I can take the blower off the car and recope some of my money. If I blow the engine, which in my case would eventually be replaces to up the boost then why not play with fire and start with a blower and have a little fun.

Next is insurance, I am covered on all accessories. I asked my insurance company for extra coverage, but according to my policy with State Farm I am covered already. The only think they wont cover is the motor, if I do anything to the motor. But I will also be checking into Hagerty insurance. From what I am told you tell them the value of the vehicle and it is all covered. So once I make my mind up and figure out my exact build I will be changing over to them to be covered insurance wise. So that wont be a issue anymore.

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ps what is the best 427 all motor car rwhp numbers now days ??? I would want something that is drivable and not a all out race car. Been there done that with my old 98 SS and it wasnt as fun anymore.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:02 AM   #8
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416 built would be far better....And nice price based on the way I know you do things....You need a good catch phrase cause you are like the lone ranger out there telling folks like it really is rather than blowing smoke up their a$$ and just selling parts.

You are the man and I look forward to meeting you at C5fest!
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:07 AM   #9
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I have played this scenario in my head over and over what I want to do. I want a motor that is like stock, that can push over 650rwhp. The 416 isnt it, and maybe a 427 could get close. But like said before, when it comes time to sell the car, I can take the blower off the car and recope some of my money. If I blow the engine, which in my case would eventually be replaces to up the boost then why not play with fire and start with a blower and have a little fun.

Next is insurance, I am covered on all accessories. I asked my insurance company for extra coverage, but according to my policy with State Farm I am covered already. The only think they wont cover is the motor, if I do anything to the motor. But I will also be checking into Hagerty insurance. From what I am told you tell them the value of the vehicle and it is all covered. So once I make my mind up and figure out my exact build I will be changing over to them to be covered insurance wise. So that wont be a issue anymore.

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ps what is the best 427 all motor car rwhp numbers now days ??? I would want something that is drivable and not a all out race car. Been there done that with my old 98 SS and it wasnt as fun anymore.

Well for the 650 rwhp range n/a you want to be in the 450+ cubic inch range with heads flowing 410+

I posted up a 468 we/HKE did.. made 670 to the tires with a Harrop intake on it. I'm not going to lie 650 n/a is going to cost real money.

$16400 is about what your looking at for one of our 457 long blocks to make that kind of power.. of course n/a on 91 octane pump gas hydraulic roller.

On the flip side you could do a 416 at $3875 boost it for 7-8k and make more power than that and have it be reliable.
When you start talking over 550 rwhp the money goes towards boost.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:31 AM   #10
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Well for the 650 rwhp range n/a you want to be in the 450+ cubic inch range with heads flowing 410+

I posted up a 468 we/HKE did.. made 670 to the tires with a Harrop intake on it. I'm not going to lie 650 n/a is going to cost real money.

$16400 is about what your looking at for one of our 457 long blocks to make that kind of power.. of course n/a on 91 octane pump gas hydraulic roller.

On the flip side you could do a 416 at $3875 boost it for 7-8k and make more power than that and have it be reliable.
When you start talking over 550 rwhp the money goes towards boost.

Which is why I will probably start with a blower, then do motor. Have a little fun and build a motor. Get the best of both worlds, a good strong motor and a blower. HKE build a friends procharged Z06, has a forged 427 and pushing 18lbs of boost and making 905rwhp. But I like the TVS set up, so might go that route. Probably get upwards of 750-800 and stop there.
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Which is why I will probably start with a blower, then do motor. Have a little fun and build a motor. Get the best of both worlds, a good strong motor and a blower. HKE build a friends procharged Z06, has a forged 427 and pushing 18lbs of boost and making 905rwhp. But I like the TVS set up, so might go that route. Probably get upwards of 750-800 and stop there.
Sounds like a good plan
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:54 AM   #12
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What all is in the 6.6k 416 package?

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Old 02-04-2011, 11:03 AM   #13
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What all is in the 6.6k 416 package?

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Old 02-04-2011, 11:43 AM   #14
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Can this combo be used with the stock auto trans, or will a rebuild of the trans be required? I'm assuming a TC and cooler will be a minimum requirement.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:45 AM   #15
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what can u do with a l99
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:47 AM   #16
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Well I can't say for sure, I'm not an auto trans guy but at the power level we're talking about I dont see an issue. Its just a few more ponies than the E-Force.
The cam will dictate the stall and dont the auto's come with coolers already?
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:50 AM   #17
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The only think they wont cover is the motor, if I do anything to the motor. But I will also be checking into Hagerty insurance. From what I am told you tell them the value of the vehicle and it is all covered.
I was looking at a 68 Camaro a few years ago and called Hagerty and another specialty Ins carrier looking for declared value coverage. I was found out these types of policies are very restrictive. You can't drive the car to work, to the theater, to the mall, or even park it in your friend's driveway. You could take it out to dinner, out for a pleasure cruise on the weekend, and even to an overnight car show, but you basically have to be with the car. This is how they can offer the coverage. I don't even know if they insure newer cars.
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