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Old 02-08-2011, 12:33 PM   #276
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Though an Impala SS is not the car I want to hear about, that sounds pretty legit, just based off of what the police can get their hands on now
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:33 PM   #277
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My vote is a diesel Camaro with the 2.9 V6 turbo diesel that GM had been working on with 255 hp and 406 lb ft of tq..........Oh wait, GM would never do anything reasonable and put a deisel in anything in America. A car that would hall balls and get close to 40mpg if not more on the highway. It'd never happen though.
How reasonable is a $5000 premium over a comparable gas engine, and almost impossibly-met diesel emissions standards that literally "suffocate" their usage in the US.

GM's very 'in' the diesel game in Europe...it's not the company, it's the country.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:37 PM   #278
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How reasonable is a $5000 premium over a comparable gas engine, and almost impossibly-met diesel emissions standards that literally "suffocate" their usage in the US.

GM's very 'in' the diesel game in Europe...it's not the company, it's the country.
Is that the problem - the emissions? I kinda' figured the money, but it seems that diesels are the way to go in Europe, but if emissions are a problem here, that would explain it some. Though I don't have any desire for a diesel CAMARO, if others are, I support it I'd consider a diesel for the family at this point, seeing how far they've come along.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:42 PM   #279
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I would rock the one on the left, looks like a Chevrolet S5. That to me is a good thing.
Probably because the guy that photoshoped that used an Audi as his inspiration

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I know it would cost money to develop a new car, I'm just not sure it would be just as expensive using a majority of the existing Camaro to do it. Nobody knows if it will sell because there hasn't been anything to look at, I think that an Auto show would be the best place to show a new car. I think you missed the whole point of my post, so that GM could continue to make money off the existing platform, the changes to the Zeta were done in 2009 and I would hope that GM would get a little more time out of it before they scraped it...

I was under the impression that this new car being shown at Chicago was going to be "exciting". Is a new Chevelle not exciting? A Chevelle has no heritage behind it? I'm not sure what you mean by that, so you are willing to bet that a new Zeta model, that nobody knows would be a better idea than a nameplate some recognize? or are you hoping that this will be the HP Camaro?
It would be just as expensive to introduce a new car based off the Camaro's platform as it was to do the Camaro in the first place. A lot of the cost isn't in the platform the car rides on (though this is still significant) but rather from 2-3 years of design, engineering, testing, and validation which has to happen on any car.

About the only difference between a possible Chevelle and the Camaro would styling. Performance would be about the same, and so would price. But the majority love the styling of the Camaro, which means that the Chevelle would have to appeal to the minority who don't like the Camaro (and still want to buy a Chevy). If you have something that appeals to those who like the Camaro, you're going to be stealing sales which doesn't get you anywhere. The same arguments were made against a Firebird, long before Pontiac was killed off.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:45 PM   #280
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Is that the problem - the emissions? I kinda' figured the money, but it seems that diesels are the way to go in Europe, but if emissions are a problem here, that would explain it some. Though I don't have any desire for a diesel CAMARO, if others are, I support it I'd consider a diesel for the family at this point, seeing how far they've come along.
It's both. Lutz once quoted the premium over a gas engine as uneconomical, and then of course there's the emissions standards here that require after-after treatments (which contribute greatly to that cost premium)....it's rediculous. I'd love a deisel Cruze, for example...but it's not gonna happen so long as we have such strict standards here...because diesels are "dirty"...
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:58 PM   #281
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...oh fer the love of...................


*sighs*



OK...................this is a CAMARO site............








I give up..............

*sound of screeching brakes as a fleet of black suburbans pulls up in front of the airport where we find Fbodfather*



The name of the car we're going to show tomorrow is.............


*sound of shuffling and general roughing-up*


.......owwwwwww..............


*sound of doors slamming and Suburbans leaving en masse*






sorry - could not resist.........


we're less than 24 hours away -


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.........and prepare for Perma-grin..............
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:00 PM   #282
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...oh fer the love of...................


*sighs*



OK...................this is a CAMARO site............








I give up..............

*sound of screeching brakes as a fleet of black suburbans pulls up in front of the airport where we find Fbodfather*



The name of the car we're going to show tomorrow is


*sound of shuffling and general roughing-up*


.......ow..............


*sound of doors slamming and Suburbans leaving en masse*



THEY GOT HIM!!! We were so close, lol.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:01 PM   #283
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...oh fer the love of...................


*sighs*



OK...................this is a CAMARO site............








I give up..............

*sound of screeching brakes as a fleet of black suburbans pulls up in front of the airport where we find Fbodfather*



The name of the car we're going to show tomorrow is.............


*sound of shuffling and general roughing-up*


.......owwwwwww..............


*sound of doors slamming and Suburbans leaving en masse*



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Old 02-08-2011, 01:02 PM   #284
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It is more the company than the country, because other manufacturers can do it. Volkswagon is a good example. My friend has a 09 Jetta TDI and he gets close to 45 mpg with very spirited driving. I do understand the emmisions thing, but it can be done. Also, the big V8 deisels in the 1 ton trucks have those same restrictions and they are able to pull that off as well. Anyone who thinks a gasoline engine is better thana diesel needs to do some major research. Horsepower is not always that impressive for the size of some of the engines being a turbo engine as well, but the torque is outrageous along with the MPG. I know they are also expensive to work on etc, but they are generally more reliable as well. I would drive a deisel Camaro myself, but I know most wouldn't, but if it was an option, I would have it.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:03 PM   #285
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All you need to do Scott is state that "a Camaro based product" means "a new camaro model". I have no idea why you would rather keep posting inuendo.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:04 PM   #286
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All you need to do Scott is state that "a Camaro based product" means "a new camaro model". I have no idea why you would rather keep posting inuendo.
Now - that's no fun at all...
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Now - that's no fun at all...
You're right.....carry on gang!
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All you need to do Scott is state that "a Camaro based product" means "a new camaro model". I have no idea why you would rather keep posting inuendo.



How many times must I say

"THIS IS A CAMARO SITE?"



.......on the other hand, I could have posted nothing.....
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:07 PM   #289
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How many times must I say

"THIS IS A CAMARO SITE?"
THIS one is....and I'll be cold and dead before it regresses to anything other....
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How many times must I say

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There will always be people that go off the deep end.....
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:08 PM   #291
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He said it's a Camaro site and we won't be disappointed...do you people read?

Anyway if it were a rear drive G8 I might be a bit disappointed because I just dumped the SS for a Terrain
Okay I hate to quote myself here but read Scott's Post again PEOPLE! My second comment was only preparation for what is likely coming after we talk about tomorrow on the CAMARO SITE that was unveiled at the car show....good lord people I'm from Arkansas and I got it the first time!
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...testing - it's not allowing me to view page 12...

EDIT: what the............................................... .......................? Posted this on page 11....

Anyways... I heard it's going to be a carb'd 454 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight........................................
That happens sometimes when there are deleted posts in a thread. They get counted for the number of pages but not for the actual post count. So its possible that there would only be 7 pages worth of posts to display, but 8 pages in total when you add in the 'missing' posts.

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It's both. Lutz once quoted the premium over a gas engine as uneconomical, and then of course there's the emissions standards here that require after-after treatments (which contribute greatly to that cost premium)....it's rediculous. I'd love a deisel Cruze, for example...but it's not gonna happen so long as we have such strict standards here...because diesels are "dirty"...
Another part that makes the business case for diesel less attractive is the fact that diesel prices are higher than gasoline at the moment (and haven't been significantly lower in quite a while)
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How many times must I say

"THIS IS A CAMARO SITE?"
Sure but we talk about a lot of stuff other than camaros. Right Fen?
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I heard they're announcing a new option for the Camaro............................................ .................................................. .........................................snow tires!
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:12 PM   #295
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WELLNOW.........


What have we here?


The Fbodfather has been spirited away into the night by a fleet of BLACK SUBURBANS.


What are we to make of THIS revolting development?


*sound of phone ringing*


Hello?

**sound of Silverado HD horn**

Yes?

**sound of Silverado HD horn**


WHAT???

**sound of Silverado HD horn**

FBODFATHER's fallen into a WELL????


**sound of Silverado HD Horn**




............stay tuned..............


(........and WHY do we just KNOW that Fbodfather will be somehow involved in a hot-air balloon, a volcano, and a cave???.......)









These questions and more shall be answered...............
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WELLNOW.........


What have we here?


The Fbodfather has been spirited away into the night by a fleet of BLACK SUBURBANS.


What are we to make of THIS revolting development?


*sound of phone ringing*


Hello?

Yes?

WHAT???

**sound of Silverado HD horn**

FBODFATHER's fallen into a WELL????


**sound of Silverado HD Horn**




............stay tuned..............





Oh, Wise and Esteemed one. Wilst thou tellest us what this new car will be?
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I'm looking forward to this announcement more then I was for the Super Bowl.
Plus is if this turns out to be a announcement concerning the new Camaro due out in January next year, I'm betting all the players who helped make this a reality are even more anxious then us. This could be a very special momment for all those involved with this project.

Sounds like this show would be a lot of fun to attend and to be apart of. Oh well I have to keep a job so I can afford this new car. I look forward to seeing all the photo's and updates as they become available here on this forum.
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WELLNOW.........


What have we here?


The Fbodfather has been spirited away into the night by a fleet of BLACK SUBURBANS.


What are we to make of THIS revolting development?


*sound of phone ringing*


Hello?

**sound of Silverado HD horn**

Yes?

**sound of Silverado HD horn**


WHAT???

**sound of Silverado HD horn**

FBODFATHER's fallen into a WELL????


**sound of Silverado HD Horn**




............stay tuned..............


(........and WHY do we just KNOW that Fbodfather will be somehow involved in a hot-air balloon, a volcano, and a cave???.......)









These questions and more shall be answered...............

lol, fbodfather dupe account?
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It is more the company than the country, because other manufacturers can do it. Volkswagon is a good example. My friend has a 09 Jetta TDI and he gets close to 45 mpg with very spirited driving. I do understand the emmisions thing, but it can be done. Also, the big V8 deisels in the 1 ton trucks have those same restrictions and they are able to pull that off as well. Anyone who thinks a gasoline engine is better thana diesel needs to do some major research. Horsepower is not always that impressive for the size of some of the engines being a turbo engine as well, but the torque is outrageous along with the MPG. I know they are also expensive to work on etc, but they are generally more reliable as well. I would drive a deisel Camaro myself, but I know most wouldn't, but if it was an option, I would have it.
The small diesel in the Jetta doesn't pump out the emissions of the monsters in HD trucks so it doesn't need the after treatment. But a smaller V8 diesel would still need it. And it would still cost more, a lot more, than a conventional gasoline V8.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:25 PM   #300
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How many times must I say

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In that case I appologize for fueling the fire.

We need an official "fbodfather" on the G8 sites to get us all fired up for what GM has in store for us .
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