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Old 02-05-2011, 06:42 PM   #101
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Hounds tooth is ugly IMO

And when was the last time you saw hugger orange?
Have you ever tried to imagine it in a new car?
It would look horrendous.
I think Inferno orange is a great option and looks better than hugger orange would look on ANY new model car.
I don't know, Dodge's retro colors look pretty awesome on new cars. I would be willing to give it a look at least.

And IO is not orange. It's tomato soup.

I am constantly amazed at how unwilling people in general are to just give something a chance.
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:49 PM   #102
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Hounds tooth is ugly IMO

And when was the last time you saw hugger orange?
Have you ever tried to imagine it in a new car?
It would look horrendous.
I think Inferno orange is a great option and looks better than hugger orange would look on ANY new model car.
Heck I own an IOM and it is an awesome color in its own right but, I have also owned Hugger Orange and it was awesome too.. IOM and no hounds tooth misses the nostalgic point....
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When stories and speculation came out that the "Z/28" would debut at the Detroit auto show, fbodfather came out with a response of notgonnahappen.com

Instead, with these rumors and stories, we get playful cryptic banter from him. Me thinks someone is having fun because they know the tease will be over very shortly. If not, he's a very cruel man
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:51 PM   #104
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Heck I own an IOM and it is an awesome color in its own right but, I have also owned Hugger Orange and it was awesome too.. IOM and no hounds tooth misses the nostalgic point....
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:52 PM   #105
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I don't know, Dodge's retro colors look pretty awesome on new cars. I would be willing to give it a look at least.

And IO is not orange. It's tomato soup.

I am constantly amazed at how unwilling people in general are to just give something a chance.

IO looks awesome in sunlight, but when I went to my dealer they had one on the floor and the color was very unimpressive. That tomato soup description is spot on under certain lighting conditions.
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Old 02-05-2011, 06:53 PM   #106
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I don't know, Dodge's retro colors look pretty awesome on new cars. I would be willing to give it a look at least.

And IO is not orange. It's tomato soup.

I am constantly amazed at how unwilling people in general are to just give something a chance.
I agree, as do I agree that the Hugger Orange would look awesome in clear coat.....

Tomato soup....rotflmao because it sure does...
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:00 PM   #107
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:13 PM   #108
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The godfather has spoken now listen and think about what he said or did not say umm never mind what I just said. Where's my beer bartender I need another ahh thx *hic*.

Anyway my prediction is this: We just came out with the verts which are just starting to hit the dealers as we speak. Then soon the 2012's will be announced for sale latter in the summer. The new improved super duper camaro won't start production untill umm January or so (need patience), so what makes the most sence. They want to sell the verts there the hot thing before spring comes so perhaps its a new car altogather such as the chevelle line.

As much as I would love some more info on the new hp(Z28) camaro thats coming down the road its to early imo. I'm betting on the information to be released about that car at the NY show at the earliest. I could be wronge and I hope I'm wronge, but from the marketing angle and timing of introduction that makes the most sence. Bottom line as much as we love these cars its still a business and it has to be handled as such.

With that I would like to say a BIG THANKYOU to those involved in making these awesome cars a reality to enjoy
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:14 PM   #109
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IMO...No Hugger Orange w/hounds tooth Camaro misses the nostalgic point
....and if the 2011 Indy Pace Cars IOM stripes look as reddish in person as they do in the photos, I will again be disappointed.. but, not enough to keep me from buying one...lol
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:17 PM   #110
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The godfather has spoken now listen and think about what he said or did not say umm never mind what I just said. Where's my beer bartender I need another ahh thx *hic*.

Anyway my prediction is this: We just came out with the verts which are just starting to hit the dealers as we speak. Then soon the 2012's will be announced for sale latter in the summer. The new improved super duper camaro won't start production untill umm January or so (need patience), so what makes the most sence. They want to sell the verts there the hot thing before spring comes so perhaps its a new car altogather such as the chevelle line.

As much as I would love some more info on the new hp(Z28) camaro thats coming down the road its to early imo. I'm betting on the information to be released about that car at the NY show at the earliest. I could be wronge and I hope I'm wronge, but from the marketing angle and timing of introduction that makes the most sence. Bottom line as much as we love these cars its still a business and it has to be handled as such.

With that I would like to say a BIG THANKYOU to those involved in making these awesome cars a reality to enjoy
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....and if the 2011 Indy Pace Cars IOM stripes look as reddish in person as they do in the photos, I will again be disappointed.. but, not enough to keep me from buying on...lol
I thought the same thing. The ONLY color I would have got instead of black would have been Hugger Orange with white stripes. No Hugger orange so I got my Black SS.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:25 PM   #112
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I don't know, Dodge's retro colors look pretty awesome on new cars. I would be willing to give it a look at least.

And IO is not orange. It's tomato soup.

I am constantly amazed at how unwilling people in general are to just give something a chance.
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Heck I own an IOM and it is an awesome color in its own right but, I have also owned Hugger Orange and it was awesome too.. IOM and no hounds tooth misses the nostalgic point....
That's because those dodge colors are new. They are not the same type of paint that was used in the 60's and 70's.
If you were to paint a new car with hugger orange from the 60's it would look terrible.
Clear coat or not, it just wouldn't look right.
Maybe if they made a similar orange to hugger.
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I thought the same thing. The ONLY color I would have got instead of black would have been Hugger Orange with white stripes. No Hugger orange so I got my Black SS.
And may I say what an awesome Black SS you have too...

I must admit I like the IOM it is fresh and new and it grows on me more each time I see it but, that was GM's intention when doing the 2010 Indy Pace Car.

For 2011 it is clear they are going nostalgic so Hugger Orange stripes w/hounds tooth seats for this limited production would be appropriate, if not expected.

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What would we do if it were like a Nova or Chevelle and not an hp edition?
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:40 PM   #115
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That's because those dodge colors are new. They are not the same type of paint that was used in the 60's and 70's.
If you were to paint a new car with hugger orange from the 60's it would look terrible.
Clear coat or not, it just wouldn't look right.
Maybe if they made a similar orange to hugger.
I agree, then why did they not come closer to the Hugger Orange color instead of Tomato Orange looking departure with the IOM....

I think with today’s paint technology you would be surprised at just how cool the Hugger Orange would look, heck give it to House of Colors to develop and I bet that they could come up with a replacement for the Hugger Orange that would blow you away... OMG just dreaming here but, what about a Candy Apple Hugger Orange....
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:43 PM   #116
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What would we do if it were like a Nova or Chevelle and not an hp edition?

Patience is a virtue!

The HP(Z28) would be announced latter that's all.
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:17 PM   #117
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My 2 cents is that its most likely gonna be another synergy varient, we havent heard really anything about it since its first announcement so im thinkin GM will want to add some spice to that...

...now my wishful thinking? Id love to see a Chevelle, something to battle the Dodge Charger which honestly is in a class of its own right now with everyone focusing on the pony cars. Only thing is it, as well as the charger, should have a 2-door option at least.
And other than that id especially love to see a super N/A Camaro like what Ford will be doing with the Boss 302, only thing is lets not get into naming it yet cause we all know how touchy that subject gets... LOL
Or a Firebird, dear god how sweet it would be if their big announcement was a Firebird and along with that they dropped another bomb shell "Pontiac is back" baahhh im gonna go cry into my pillow now...
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:28 PM   #118
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In all due respect,

....Seeing the concept Camaro and the Transformers movie over, and over, and over, and over again waiting for the REAL thing was the ultimate car tease ever in the history of....well ever in the history of anything! As the "F" and "C" companies were putting out some cases two retro based models, us Chevy fans could only drool in anticipation. Again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment"

....and while those same other companies put out Convertibles, "HEMI", BOSS 302's and "500" additions and key activated track modes; again us Camaro fans could still do nothing but drool… and again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment" as well...

....having to see a cobalt Blue, Sublime Lime or Plumb Crazy rides out there with no Hugger Orange w/hounds tooth Camaros would also qualify as "disappointment".

Now please do not take this as negative, as I still love GM vehicles over all other brands....but, I must admit GM has disappointed us loyal customers.

So if GM does not want to Disappoint us customers tell us what's happening and what is planed, heck it makes no difference to the "F" and "C" companies they have all shown their cards.

Just saying;
Well the Camaro is a story in it's own right. But as we are here enthusiastically discussing a simple rumor is it fair to say it was a disapointing story?

But I get your point. I can see where some might have been disappointed.

I just ask that you remember GM was in a world of hurt in 08 and 09. I think the Camaro was a chance to keep excitement up during those dark days for the General.
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I think might be the unveil of the Grand National. I bumped into 2 GM engineers at the Grand Floridian in WDW in Dec. They overheard me talking about my 2010 and a conversation ensued. I asked if there were any other cool new retro models coming out. They hinted about a Buick that was "hot in the 80's", that would be a zeta 2 frame car, that GM had sucessfully kept very quiet. That would be very sweet news.
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I think might be the unveil of the Grand National. I bumped into 2 GM engineers at the Grand Floridian in WDW in Dec. They overheard me talking about my 2010 and a conversation ensued. I asked if there were any other cool new retro models coming out. They hinted about a Buick that was "hot in the 80's", that would be a zeta 2 frame car, that GM had sucessfully kept very quiet. That would be very sweet news.

Oh crap don't say that I owned one and loved mine, if they made another I would have a tuff decision between that and the new camaro. I think my wife would notice both of them in the drive way if I bought one of each .
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Of course as I was talking to them as the bar tender kept refilling my drink, and handing me shots of Patron. So much that I wasnt able to do that math for the tip at the end of the night. So if GM knows which Engineers were at the Grand Floridian in December, I was drunk and they never hinted at anything, nor would I have remembered if they had.
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The Grand National was the only bad ass car of the 80's. How sweet would that be? Im still a Camaro guy, but Id love to see that car back with a nasty V6 turbo. My wife would even be willing to part with her 06 SER Altima for one of those. That would make me very happy.
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The Grand National was the only bad ass car of the 80's. How sweet would that be? Im still a Camaro guy, but Id love to see that car back with a nasty V6 turbo. My wife would even be willing to part with her 06 SER Altima for one of those. That would make me very happy.
A friend of mine owned a Grand National GNX edition talk about a sweet limited edition muscle car. Was to rich for my blood at the time, but he had deep pockets obviously. Took it to the track alot, then bought a twin turbo porsche (if it had wings on it, I bet it could go air born).
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Number 3,

In all due respect,

....Seeing the concept Camaro and the Transformers movie over, and over, and over, and over again waiting for the REAL thing was the ultimate car tease ever in the history of....well ever in the history of anything! As the "F" and "C" companies were putting out some cases two retro based models, us Chevy fans could only drool in anticipation. Again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment"

....and while those same other companies put out Convertibles, "HEMI", BOSS 302's and "500" additions and key activated track modes; again us Camaro fans could still do nothing but drool… and again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment" as well...

....having to see a cobalt Blue, Sublime Lime or Plumb Crazy rides out there with no Hugger Orange w/hounds tooth Camaros would also qualify as "disappointment".

Now please do not take this as negative, as I still love GM vehicles over all other brands....but, I must admit GM has disappointed us loyal customers.

So if GM does not want to Disappoint us customers tell us what's happening and what is planed, heck it makes no difference to the "F" and "C" companies they have all shown their cards.

Just saying;

Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated.

On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets.

The other side was to say "No thanks -- use a Mustang or a BMW or a VW".......

Can you imagine? I'm glad we put the Camaro in the movie (as, I think, most enthusiasts agree) and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentially have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......plus a whole lot of other stuff..........

-- keep in mind that we were still trying to support 8 Divisions back in 2006- whereas Chrysler had three. I'll put the current GM Portfolio up against Chrysler's current portfolio -- and I think you'll agree that we invested a LOT of money in the past 4-5 years -and that's why our products are winning in the marketplace......(count the number of new cars and trucks that Chrysler has introduced since January 9, 2006 and today - versus GM............see what I mean? And lest we forget: The Mustang is Ford's Corvette. The Challenger is Chrysler's Corvette. (for now) I will be more than happy to take them to Spring Mountain with their best - and introduce them to something called a Z06 - or a ZR1..........(and we ain't done yet!)

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so I have to assume that the Challenger owners are 'disappointed' as well. Yes, Mustang has a convertible....

I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - there is simply no comparison.......(ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...or read the road tests from auto journalists)

Plumb crazy is an 'interesting' color - and I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........I'll bet you dinner that the numbers will be very low.......and while this is very subjective, the only ones I've seen are in shows or on dealers' lots.......I have yet to see one being driven..........

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Please pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago. I don't think you'd be 'disappointed'......

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.


Now - I don't mean to belittle your points or to take them lightly. To do that implies that we are invincible - and we are not.

Rest assured that the last thing we want to do is to disappoint our customers - that said:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

Lastly- as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time:

Have Faith.

I don't believe I've steered the Camaro Enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Let's chat Thursday!
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